That’s been noted. Frankly I’m somewhat relieved as it’s not really possible in that package and not suck. March people, back me up
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That’s been noted. Frankly I’m somewhat relieved as it’s not really possible in that package and not suck. March people, back me up
It's always been that way since it stopped becoming a "writing show." This year was my 13th and the goal every year is simply to make it out alive.
You 100% nailed the influencer/media loophole. It's ridiculous. I think they should start that threshold at about 2M combined followers if that is their sole qualification.
As for manufacturers, maybe they could hold a annual sales threshold requirement as well. I'm all for the little guy, but we don't need 500 booths selling knockoff ShamWows.
Anyone know what the booth prices are? I thought the prices pushed most of the little guys out.
I personally think everyone needs to ditch shot and just work on their Internet game. They could do everything on their own timeline, no stupidly huge marketing budget (it's been rumored some booths are well into the 6 figures), and no waiting on releases for 1 time a year.
There's other trade shows to sell stuff at. Sports Inc was cool. No media, just vendors and buyers. Stuff got done and product got moved.
Look what Sig did, no SHOT, said it had no impact on their sales
Shot show is for more than purchasing or selling products. Meeting people in person trumps being over the phone or internet when you are trying to strengthen your business relationships. This is my first Shot Show and I think I accomplished more in person in under 2 hours than years via phone and internet.
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I didnt think Philip was on the site anymoreHeard mention of this elusive optic recently. Not going to put the source but it was just an off the cuff mention.
2x bottom end…
20x top end
Vortex and sig went all in on NRA IMO. Their booths were gigantic last year.Vortex wasn’t there either
I didnt think Philip was on the site anymore
IOR sucks dick for coke
90% of the people seem to be there to get wasted in Vegas. They show up because they're supposed to.
It would be interesting how empty it would look without the "media".
I was told there were a couple of reasons some of the vendors were not at SHOT. Part of it was they had booths built based on the previous layout of the show. The layout changed and now the booth size and space was altered, so the millions they spent on the booth that would not fit. Instead of spending more money to change the booth they said fuck it and skipped it. They can set up their million dollar booth at a different show.
Look at it this way, the firearm industry is being neutered on social media and via the government. Why would we want the biggest event in the firearms industry to go away? If you don't want to go then don't go, don't like the influencers than ignore them like I did. Just because some people here don't see the use or need for themselves doesn't mean that others think it is necessary. Let's try and do better and not be like the left that think whatever they don't feel is necessary in the world needs to go away. This event is one of the largest free speech and second amendment events every year, I want it to exist well beyond the point I'm in this industry.
-Richard
-Richard
This reminds me of the song - Video killed the Radio star.... except in this case - Internet killed the SHOT Show.
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But here is my issue with that - 2020 was the test run for what Big Tech plans on doing in the near future - they want to destroy not just the first and second amendment, they want to destroy the Constitution and ultimately the whole idea of America (at least the America that the founding fathers and freedom seekers envisioned). So while FarceBook, InstaGroom, Oogle and others seem to still offer shooting enthusiasts an avenue, in no stretch of my imagination do I think that will continue, as we saw with 2020 they have the ability to turn it all off overnight. We are in another election mode and Big Tech will be in full god mode once again... This is why I try to pay more attention to forums like the Hide because these will stay up longer and offer content when others are shutdown for violating a new policy instituted by some leftist Ivy League graduate.
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You look just fine bro. They were probably just turned off by that Apple watch.I hit up some of our other euro vendors and NOBODY approached me, even when they were not busy. I made eye contact holding their products and they looked at me like I was going to steal their shit lol. I tried to look as 'friendly' as possible wearing a hat most of the time and button up shirt, but I'm 300+ pounds tatted with shaved head. I should have been an extra in Training DayI'm told my appearance doesn't match my voice lol
j/k...sorta
You look just fine bro. They were probably just turned off by that Apple watch.
j/k...sorta
Having ADHD, a smartphone on my wrist is a lifesaver.
Yeah, I know they are popular, it's just a personal pet peeve of mine.
Kinda like a gas car at the only diesel pump when all other pumps are empty.
I don’t give two shits about the popularity, it works extremely well with my lifestyle and managing work and my family. I hyperfocus quite a bit while I’m working and have to set reminders for myself so I know when to change gears. Like today I need to manage my kids pick up and drop offs while I am working from home. Many times I don’t have my phone on me and need to be notified right away. I can make clear calls from this watch, it does not even need a phone attached to it. Essentially, I can do everything but social media/forums, or process orders with this watch. But I can do quite a bit. If I cared what anybody thought my daily driver wouldn’t be a 1999 Toyota Solara with 279,000 miles.
Wait, is this the Richard I've spoken with on the phone??? You're right, I had a different image of you based on your voice, now that I've seen you, I will be much more courteous in the future now that I realize you're also a late night bouncer at the Road HouseRegarding Shot Show since it was already brought up, this was my first time as it's difficult for me to be away from my family with my young children on the spectrum and our work schedules. Well y kids are doing great and covid did bring one small positive that has worked for our family and many others. The ability to work remotely!!! So this year I decided that I needed to meet up with Jeff and Robert in person to discuss ZCO's current lineup, future products, customers likes and dislikes, areas that can be tweaked etc... With Robert being from Austria, this is no easy feat to allow us to have all 3 together and have meaning dialogue. Well that was accomplished this year IMO, hide members and thousands of others will benefit from this specific meeting. I did my whole show experience in one day so that I can search the area for where I'm relocating my family.
I hit up some of our other euro vendors and NOBODY approached me, even when they were not busy. I made eye contact holding their products and they looked at me like I was going to steal their shit lol. I tried to look as 'friendly' as possible wearing a hat most of the time and button up shirt, but I'm 300+ pounds tatted with shaved head. I should have been an extra in Training Day
I'm just a 50 year old fatass with a rough background that does my best to be part of this awesome community. I'm not here for the quick buck, I'm here for the long term while I also have other business ventures in the future.
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Wait, is this the Richard I've spoken with on the phone??? You're right, I had a different image of you based on your voice, now that I've seen you, I will be much more courteous in the future now that I realize you're also a late night bouncer at the Road House
I have been a bouncer lol
That guy is awesome! Maybe I need to do a YouTube with my daughters ball python wrapped around my neck
That guy is awesome! Maybe I need to do a YouTube with my daughters ball python wrapped around my neck
Oh, you will definitely be seeing more of me on YouTube after we get moved.
We can call it a LPVO and pretend this MPVO is actually a LPVO.
I was really hoping zco would make a 1x.
But it’s looking awesome either way!
Wow, those reticles are not exciting me.
DMR - trying to outdo HORUS
HTR - just stop with the circles, dots are preferred…
Predator - what the heck is that surrounding the center dot, some Klingon symbol?
I like the HTR for sure.
.5 mil holds
Nice large donuts
Duplicate numbers
Well done.
Dangit. If this was 21 oz or less and 30/34mm they would have gotten my money.
.5 mil holds
Nice large donuts
Duplicate numbers
Well done.
Dangit. If this was 21 oz or less and 30/34mm they would have gotten my money.
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Kinda my thoughts on the reticle, thought I’d like to see more the DMR/HTR in non-white PDF backgrounds.
I think the HTR is going to look good in real life. ZCO has always had good reticles. For this type of optic, the HTR should work well and be fast. Would have loved to have seen this reticle combined with the fatal funnel.
Not a fan of circles, but HTR might be usable.
They are fast. For this kind of optic it makes sense and if you need a scalpel you can always dial.
Faster than dots, explain how? I do not like them because I find them distracting, but that is personal preference.
Most targets shot with this type of optic and appropriate weapon system are usually more generously sized. It's easier to find a circle than a dot and there's is always a tendency to attempt to perfectly center a fine aiming point. I find with a circle, I get it close and touch it off. When "any" hit counts the same as a "perfect" hit, I'll take a circle. As always your mileage may vary.
I may have asked you this before (but I’m getting old and forget). Explain to me your ideal reticle for an MPVO, I recall you saying you wouldn't want the tree going down too far, more gaps, etc…
They copied the aiming laser the alien used in the old Schwarzenegger movie Predator and inverted it -
Sure hope this is just a joke...
Wow those reticles do not spark joy. At least now on paper.
There's a reason you don't see 1x with great glass and a parallax adjustment. That said... MPVO was a made up term by guys needing something to talk about in the absence of anything new, and someone at some point decided to try and define LPVO as requiring a 1x, and that simply isn't true. It was designated for compact low profile scope, that typically went 1-1.5x, and most people don't actually know the history behind the 1.5x and why it was that way to begin with either.
No matter what any manufacturer ever does for reticles, someone will complain and not be happy. The guys who shoot a lot with this style of optic and love ZCO are actually pretty excited about the reticle options.
Personally I love the K16i SM1 reticle, used it a lot on pigs and other fast moving animals from close to fair bit out and bracketing moving targets seems to be more natural and easier. The HTR is right up my alley.
Contemplating whether this could replace my K16i… pity can’t try before buy haha
Hopefully the HTR/DMR will get out to someone’s hands and we can all see through it. I’d love C_Does on Youtube to get a hold of one. He probably does it the best.
