Zelensky showing no respect in Oval Office
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could have taken this position before 100s of thousands of men were sacrificed on the altar of futility.
i guess it was more important to have 100s of billions of dollars flowing into the coffers of the war machine.
i guess it was more important to have 100s of billions of dollars flowing into the coffers of the war machine.
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BULLLL SHHIIIT!
Biden was pissed at Lil Z cause his yammering about more lunch money was gonna make mumbles late for pudding and ice cream.
Pres. Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize if he can bring this war to an end.
Fuck the Nobel committee, they lost any credence when they handed one to a Manchurian candidate for doing nothing.
R
I agree. I was going to and should have added, they won't give it to him though (Trump). He's not Obama.
I think Zelensky derailed the Trump deal because he already promised the minerals to Stramer.
B. Because without US money Ukraine will run out of munitions and the necessities to fight and will eventually be run over by the Russians and Norks. Then the war will end. Thus A will happen.
If your tax dollars are no longer going to Ukraine, and the war continues, why do you care?
I am genuinely curious.
-Stan
I truly hope so....same goes for that kalashnicunt clown too.
I don't normally wish bad things on others, but just this once I'm willing make an exception....
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Dumb bastards haven't a clue about the inevitable outcome of the Ukes war.
Saber rattling from the neutered.
R
Well done Zelensky
Just watched the news and it looks like the Ukrainian PM has much bigger balls than ours. He maybe misguided but well done for standing up to Trump.
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Dumb bastards haven't a clue about the inevitable outcome of the Ukes war.
Saber rattling from the neutered.
R
Why would it strictly be one or the other? The common sense answer is both.
End the war, stop the death and destruction as well as the global destabilization.
Restart the Ukrainian economy through ambitious extraction of highly valuable minerals. Utilize that money for their own rebuilding effort while repaying foreign nations for their billions in security assistance.
The reconstruction will take a couple decades, actually enrich the Ukraine and move it away from the agriculturally based economy it currently is. Following WWII, Germany and Japan became far better off than they were going into the war. It's been done before, it can be done again. At the same time, getting oil pricing back into the $40-$50bbl range along with moving Europe's reliance on Russian O&G to American or internal to the EU will drastically reduce Russia's influence globally, limiting their abilities to further its aggression, and be an actual win-win-win for the US, the EU and Ukraine.
The MIC answer is "A" with deployment of tens of thousands of troops requiring lucrative support contracts. That's why there's such a strong push for a security guarantee in the agreements. No, fuck no, no way in hell no.
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Well done Zelensky
Just watched the news and it looks like the Ukrainian PM has much bigger balls than ours. He maybe misguided but well done for standing up to Trump.
Dumb bastards haven't a clue about the inevitable outcome of the Ukes war.
Saber rattling from the neutered.
R
That is quite enlightening. The Europeans should arm themselves for the war they seem to want so badly.
You read my answer. Both. Your alternative hypothetical is unreasonable and unrealistic.
Answer this: If you could do only one, which would it be?
A. Breathe
B. Eat
It's the same mentality.
Oh no, I made a mistake.
I forgot that we come to The Bear Pit for the reasonable and realistic discussions it offers.
Shame on me for posting against the norm here.
-Stan
I think the negotiations were laid out here pretty well
If A as the option in your post I don't believe American dollars will stop going there. Z will then want American dollars to rebuild the Ukraine and IMO he and others in his country will continue to siphon off funds for their own personal gain.
Somehow I bet that’s still US tax payer money
Give them the same J6 treatment so they could get a taste of their own dose of medication like they did the last 4 years of Circus Clown administration.
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Did you lose your job in DC?
Good point. My thinking was if war ends , as in the A option that Stanley had in his post question/option that war ends it would be a ceasefire/ war ends with everyones territory stays the same, not Russia ending war by taking over Uke, then Z would want money for rebuilding.
If war ends because Russia took over by force then , yes, we wouldn't be sending ,only for rebuild.
i still don't get the tik tok hate. this post is an example of what i see on it, yes,i only see tt on here as secondary posts. just doesn't seem like Chinese propaganda or trolling kids. just what i have seen.
That was a good point you made in response to my post which is why I asked.
I had not thought of the angle you suggested.
Whether it is aid for fighting or aid for rebuilding often the U.S. just can’t resist, which is unfortunate IMO.
-Stan
i don't have it either, so no clue what the "typical" feed to kids or adults looks like.
you know,if our gov had the good sense to stay out of it (LOL),it would be interesting to watch UK,France,Germany go hot in Ukraine. who would they send? white young men? they do have an excess of Muslim animals they could use. doubt arming those would work out. getting their young white men slaughtered might wake those countries up and get their Fascist NWO supporters removed from power.
they would be slaughtered. no European country has any recent combat experience except a bit in Africa. back in '22 Ukraine had a better army than any w.Euopean army. they haven't faired all that well. prob push Russia into turning up the (hopefully conv) heat.
only fear we would rescue the worthless countries yet again.
FUCK EUROPE.
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Understood, thank you.
With that being said, would you have preferred Ukraine fell to Russia early in the name of strategic stability?
Human Rights vs Strategic Stability is one of my favorite conversations around these parts.
Most who prioritize the former have never heard a shot fired in anger.
Early on in the Syrian civil war, Edward Luttwak suggested the U.S. and Russia back Assad immediately and crush the rebellion as he valued strategic stability.
At the time everyone thought he was crazy.
I remember thinking he was pretty smart.
-Stan
meanwhile, the cia was funding, arming and training "the rebellion".
they of course ended up being recruits for the al nusra front and other terrorists groups.
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