Rifle Scopes Zero Compromise Optic update

[lancetkenyon]

Sad day here at my house.....

Took the temporarily mounted ZCO 4-20×50 off, and reinstalled the S&B PMII 5-25×56 on my 6.5SS in anticipation of getting my 25SST yesterday.....then didn't get over to pick up my 25SST!!!

 

[f>b25]

Can someone who has access to the NF 7-35 & ZCO do a side by side image to show fov?

At max mag?

 

[Glassaholic]

At max mag?

I think he meant comparative at different magnifications, like 7x, 10x, 15x, 20x, 25x in order to see how each compare throughout the magnification range.

 

[Winny94]

I think he meant comparative at different magnifications, like 7x, 10x, 15x, 20x, 25x in order to see how each compare throughout the magnification range.

Correct

 

[Covertnoob5]

Correct

I own and shoot both a 735 mil-xt and a ZCO 527 mpct2. Any particular questions I can help with?

 

[Covertnoob5]

I'm hoping someone who has used the scopes I'm interested in can lend a hand. I recently acquired an Accuracy International AX short action that now needs some glass. I'm looking at the NF ATACR 7-35 with Mil XT or a Z Comp 527 with MPCT2. For those who have tried both, is the Z Comp worth the extra $$$? More specifically, lets say you can buy the ATACR in the $2900 range and the ZCO at $3600. What does the ZCO bring to the table the NF doesn't?

I've got and use both, I think the diffences have been stated pretty adequately. Without turning this into a 735 vs ZCO thread was there something in particular you wanted to know about?

 

[Winny94]

I own and shoot both a 735 mil-xt and a ZCO 527 mpct2. Any particular questions I can help with?

would it be possible, next time youre out, to get some comparison images at the same mag range? trying to get an idea of how much better the FOV is on the ZCO

 

[Covertnoob5]

would it be possible, next time youre out, to get some comparison images at the same mag range? trying to get an idea of how much better the FOV is on the ZCO

It's not the fov that's better. Fov at the marked mags is very comparable to the other tier 1 scopes. It's the image size. It's like a 65" TV vs a 50" TV. you're not seeing more picture, it's just bigger.

 

[blbennett1288]

would it be possible, next time youre out, to get some comparison images at the same mag range? trying to get an idea of how much better the FOV is on the ZCO

Sounds like money isn’t an issue, get the ZCO.

 

[Dthomas3523]

I own and shoot both a 735 mil-xt and a ZCO 527 mpct2. Any particular questions I can help with?

Yea. What door is the 7-35 holding open?

 

[Dthomas3523]

Yea. What door is the 7-35 holding open?

Or is it holding up a tomato plant?

 

[Threadcutter308]

Yea. What door is the 7-35 holding open?

Or is it holding up a tomato plant?

Ouch.....and ouch.

(I'm pretty damned delighted with my 527 mpct2....)

 

[Covertnoob5]

Or is it holding up a tomato plant?

Lol actually I really love the reticle. The mil-xt is really intuitive to me. And I've got a vudoo coming that the 735 is perfect for. Especially for .22 elr

 

[LeftyJason]

Lol actually I really love the reticle. The mil-xt is really intuitive to me. And I've got a vudoo coming that the 735 is perfect for. Especially for .22 elr

I know it's not but .22 elr sounds like an oxymoron.

 

[Glassaholic]

It's not the fov that's better. Fov at the marked mags is very comparable to the other tier 1 scopes. It's the image size. It's like a 65" TV vs a 50" TV. you're not seeing more picture, it's just bigger.

I think this is an excellent explanation of what you see through the ZCO. It's not that you're "seeing" more with the ZCO but the image is larger, so while a 55" 4k TV displays a 4k image, the 65" 4k TV also displays the same 4k image but bigger, it's just a very pleasing experience to your eye.

 

[B-P-UU]

I think this is an excellent explanation of what you see through the ZCO. It's not that you're "seeing" more with the ZCO but the image is larger, so while a 55" 4k TV displays a 4k image, the 65" 4k TV also displays the same 4k image but bigger, it's just a very pleasing experience to your eye.

This, and the original analogy makes little sense actually. A larger TV, by definition, has a larger FOV when considering a fixed viewing location.

If you were to put a 55" aperture over a 65" TV (cut a rectangle in the box it came in that had a 55" diagonal length), you would then be comparing similar FOV's and find the 65" TV's image restricted but appearing to have a larger "magnification" so to speak.

 

[blbennett1288]

This, and the original analogy makes little sense actually. A larger TV, by definition, has a larger FOV when considering a fixed viewing location.

If you were to put a 55" aperture over a 65" TV (cut a rectangle in the box it came in that had a 55" diagonal length), you would then be comparing similar FOV's and find the 65" TV's image restricted but appearing to have a larger "magnification" so to speak.

It’s the eyebox that displays a bigger view, which has nothing to do with the FOV out of the objective lense.

So yes the comparison actually makes sense. The image is larger, but you do not see more. Which is the same thing with TV’s. You dont get a wider FOV with a larger TV. You see the same image on both, it is just the size of the image that is different

 

[Winny94]

This, and the original analogy makes little sense actually. A larger TV, by definition, has a larger FOV when considering a fixed viewing location.

If you were to put a 55" aperture over a 65" TV (cut a rectangle in the box it came in that had a 55" diagonal length), you would then be comparing similar FOV's and find the 65" TV's image restricted but appearing to have a larger "magnification" so to speak.

I must be too dumb to visualize this analogy (or maybe I need to upgrade my Tv haha) - if anyone has images that illustrate, id really appreciate it!

 

[Dthomas3523]

This, and the original analogy makes little sense actually. A larger TV, by definition, has a larger FOV when considering a fixed viewing location.

If you were to put a 55" aperture over a 65" TV (cut a rectangle in the box it came in that had a 55" diagonal length), you would then be comparing similar FOV's and find the 65" TV's image restricted but appearing to have a larger "magnification" so to speak.

Shit, I need a bigger tv to see all the stuff I’ve been missing in movies with a smaller FOV then

 

[B-P-UU]

It’s the eyebox that displays a bigger view, which has nothing to do with the FOV out of the objective lense.

So yes the comparison actually makes sense. The image is larger, but you do not see more. Which is the same thing with TV’s. You dont get a wider FOV with a larger TV. You see the same image on both, it is just the size of the image that is different

Agree.. I was not implying you "see more" with a bigger TV. But even in your example, you state the image is bigger. By bigger, one would assume higher magnification, correct? That's why I used the aperture example.

A guy can't say "the FOV is the same between 2 scopes at the same magnification, but one scope has a bigger image (implying higher magnification) " those attributes are mutually exclusive.

Unless you are just referring to the frame if the image..as in, some scopes have the appearance on a black circular ring around the image field.. if that is the case, carry on.. ha.

 

[B-P-UU]

Shit, I need a bigger tv to see all the stuff I’ve been missing in movies with a smaller FOV then

No, that's not what I meant.. I tried to clarify my point above.

 

[Dthomas3523]

You are completely confused as to what anyone here is talking about.

We are just saying the image is larger. Not magnified, not larger FOV.......just larger. No over complicating necessary.

 

[B-P-UU]

You are completely confused as to what anyone here is talking about.

Not really.. just think it's a poor analogy. No need for me to clutter the thread any further.

 

[TXBO]

@CSTactical

What's the current wait time for a ZC 4-20x?

 

[CSTactical]

@CSTactical

What's the current wait time for a ZC 4-20x?

2 weeks or less, give me a call and I can set you up

 

[TXBO]

2 weeks or less, give me a call and I can set you up

Thanks Richard. Pleasure doing business with you.

 

[CSTactical]

Thanks Richard. Pleasure doing business with you.

Our pleasure as well

 

[CSTactical]

We have one unsold Zero Compromise Optic ZC527 5-27x56 MPCT1 $3,600.00 on the way! give us a call at 916-670-1103 to pick this one up

 

[jmw]

How is everyone liking their scopes. Thinking about buying one myself. Just wanted to know if everyone is happy with their purchase. Doesn’t seem to be a down side to these scopes

 

[Threadcutter308]

How is everyone liking their scopes. Thinking about buying one myself. Just wanted to know if everyone is happy with their purchase. Doesn’t seem to be a down side to these scopes

I have a ZC527 5-27x56 MPCT 2 and I am delighted with it.

No negative dings so far. Not looking like there will be either.

 

[ChadL]

Doesn’t seem to be a down side to these scopes

My only issue is they’re like Lays potato chips......you can’t have just one. I started with a 420 and was so impressed I bought a 527.

 

[jmw]

Damn it. This thread is gonna cost me money

 

[wade2big]

If I bought one of these at $4,000 and ever missed a target, I would feel completely let down and disappointed.

 

[gnochi]

If I bought one of these at $4,000 and ever missed a target, I would feel completely let down and disappointed.

I think you may have meant “I would feel like a complete let down and disappointment.” The scope’s giving you its all, just needs follow-through on your part!

 

[CSTactical]

If I bought one of these at $4,000 and ever missed a target, I would feel completely let down and disappointed.

I will save you $400.00 and sell you one for just $3,600.00

 

[MarkLeupold]

If I bought one of these at $4,000 and ever missed a target, I would feel completely let down and disappointed.

Lol, I still miss plenty with mine

 

[Moose]

How is everyone liking their scopes. Thinking about buying one myself. Just wanted to know if everyone is happy with their purchase. Doesn’t seem to be a down side to these scopes

I own the ZC4X20 and it is hands down my favorite scope.Saving for another one so that will tell you how I feel about it.One thing,It will spoil you rotten.

 

[Powdermonkey4]

Anyone have the Tenebraex part# handy for the 420? Can find the part# for the 527 easily enough.

 

[texas_vet00]

I can find it in the morning for you if that's ok...

 

[hk dave]

Ask Richard @CSTactical

Bought mine from him.

 

[CSTactical]

Ask Richard @CSTactical

Bought mine from him.

I have some left

 

[MOUNTIC]

Is there a Charlie Tarac mount available yet for the 5-27? @gebhardt02

 

[gebhardt02]

Is there a Charlie Tarac mount available yet for the 5-27? @gebhardt02

I have no idea actually. I'll have to see what they can do. Thanks for asking.

 

[MOUNTIC]

I have no idea actually. I'll have to see what they can do. Thanks for asking.

Great. Thank you. I was going to call today to see if you guys had worked with them yet or if there was already a compatible mount available. Going to need one here for my 5-27 soon and figured someone has done it already or trying to? Thanks for looking into it. I appreciate it.

 

[A.Bennett]

After a ton of research, I decided on the zco. I'll be getting one soon.

 

[CSTactical]

After a ton of research, I decided on the zco. I'll be getting one soon.

Give us a call at 916-670-1103 and we can get you set up with a ZCO, mounting options, caps etc...

 

[A.Bennett]

Give us a call and we can get you set up with a ZCO, mounting options, caps etc...

That's the plan. You guys were a major factor in my decision. I was thinking zco in a sphur. I have to get a stock then the optic is next. I'm thinking March. Gotta squeeze in a few side jobs over winter lol.

 

[CSTactical]

That's the plan. You guys were a major factor in my decision. I was thinking zco in a sphur. I have to get a stock then the optic is next. I'm thinking March. Gotta squeeze in a few side jobs over winter lol.

You let us know when you're ready and we'll be happy to get you one or four

 

[A.Bennett]

You let us know when you're ready and we'll be happy to get you one or four

I buy 4 and my wife finds out, I'll be living in your shop lmao.

 

[CSTactical]

I buy 4 and my wife finds out, I'll be living in your shop lmao.

Why do you think I live here