stefan73 said:

The military was always meant to be "a-political"! But those guys
I think that if you talked to some of the young Soldiers today that I encounter regularly you would feel better. There are a lot of douchebags but for the most part you have a lot of young kids that are trying to do the right thing for the right reasons.

Indoctrination, the Army has their Army values (Loyalty · Duty · Respect · Selfless Service · Honor · Integrity · Personal Courage. Face fear, danger or adversity (physical or moral).) and teaches laws and land conflict. In that case I would say yes to indoctrination claim but outsid of that it is more compliance to directives and orders, "somewhat".

While I don't care for Milley he did say some stuff that was interesting in regards to "disciplined disobedience". I think that resonated with me because of something I did in early Iraq. Anyways, an interesting read, https://www.army.mil/article/187293/future_warfare_requires_disciplined_disobedience_army_chief_says

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stefan73 said:

Capitalism provides the opportunity to be successful, it's not about fair share. After all, what is "fair"?? My interpretation of "fair" is what I have contractually agreed to, violate that contract and we will have a problem. If you make an agreement, honor it!
Is it human nature to be shitheads? I don't think so, most people want to be the hero, the good guy. It is the fringe weirdos that are the proverbial shitheads.

Honor your promises, easy task. Congress failed and some old school guys stood up to them. https://www.nps.gov/articles/the-1932-bonus-army.htm

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MaxVY said:

Been looking at the flow 556k and I’m torn between that and the Velos K for my Mk18. What other cans have you find that worked better on the 10.3” set up.

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sirhrmechanic said:

Remember, The Austrian painter did not seize power on a National Socialist Agenda... He was elected. First to the Reichstag. Then his party won a significant number of seats. Then he maneuvered his way to be appointed Chancellor when the Depression had everyone in Germany screaming that they wanted Bread and Jobs. Which is what he promised. Along with Villifying a certain religion (not a race) that most people associated with wealth and banking. The Germans lapped it up like free beer with a salty pretzel. Never forget what National SOCIALISM is. It's socialism.

Then... came his socialist work programs. Build the Autobahns. Build monuments. Blood and Soil. Mandatory military service to keep the jungen busy.. All clubs and organizations from the Boy Scouts on up were subsumed into the KdF (Strength through Joy). All youth were required to join the Shitler Jungen... And within 12 years, the youth of the nation were so fanatical that they were putting on disposable paper uniforms and ready to try and shoot at tanks with last-ditch Panzerfausts because their Father-God-Fuhrer had said so. And if their parents tried to intervene, the kids reported their own mothers and fathers who were strung up with piano wire, and the kid got a nice ribbon.

Be cautious about demanding government-run work programs, mandatory military service or mandatory 'anything.' Having children raised by the state means that the children are shaped by the state. Which sounds fine. Until the state is run by, say, a drooling potato with a vilinous staff or Stalin or the Austrian painter. Or a murderous bitch who kicked off her presidential aspirations with an appalling book called "It Takes a Village" which was basically about how it was the STATE that should be raising children. Because parents can't be trusted. Especially the ones who teach about freedom, the Constitution and drive fuel-burning pickup trucks and own guns. Those parents cannot be trusted to raise children.

And our founding fathers understood that stealing a man's labor through taxation or any other means, was the worst kind of theft of all. (Unfortunately, they had a limited view of humankind... so stealing a white man's labor was the worst kind of theft. As for women, blacks and the bog Irish... well screw them! But I'd like to think we've evolved.)

Anyway... putting everyone in uniform sounds great when things are being run by George Washington or Patton. But when every young person has to be put through basic training (indoctrination is what it is...) and then follow orders and a chain of command leading to, say, this guy:

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Well, we would be finished as a nation in a generation. Oh and all those indoctrinated people would be armed and have weapons skills. How do you think China and North Korea hold on so tight.

As I mentioned in another post, I don't think the crazy left has the numbers or the 'actual' influence that we think they do. It's a few tens of thousands in a country of 350 million. BUT they scream and shout and carry on... AND worm their ways into positions of government power (or professions like teaching, journalism or the military) where they can do a lot of damage. Don't forget that Bernie, AOC and Iliahn Omar get to appoint cadets to all the academies, too. You don't think they are appointing great American warriors, do you? No, they are appointing good little socialists from their district socialist families. To become ring knockers and gut America from the inside... with their fancy West Point and Anapolis degrees.

Despite this, I still see a lot of good kids who give me hope. If we can stomp out the leftist freaks (legally), they won't be a noisy bunch of screaming retards.

How to do that? RIght now, ANTIFA seems to be crossing the line by attacking federal officers and their families. Declare them domestic terrorists who are committing kinetic acts against American people and infrastructure. That's jail time. We have a fantastic resources to address terrorism. Use it. Then find out where the funding is coming from. That can be prosecuted under RICO. Strip funding and send the funders to jail. All legally. No door kicking, etc. Precedent was even set by the drooling potato. You know, that whole 'violent revolution' thing one January.

Just remember, that the same thing can be used by anyone. And has been. Though last I checked, not a single act of violence over the last 16 years was carried out by patriots... Just by guys pretending to be them. Guys who have wormed their way into the top echelons of federal and state organizations and who are quite happy to kick in doors and jail their political enemies because, well, making omlettes and clearing speed bumps off the Shining Path.

Sirhr

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Modoc said:

On a lighter note for @Maggot

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MWAlex2 said:

Never served, almost did out of high school but went a different path.

The one advantage of the low IQ kids is that they can be mentally conditioned much more easily. If they cannot be trained then give them a dishonorable discharge.

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geek65 said:

Pay a living wage, don't ask customers to pay it with tips.

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TubbyT223 said:

This is the main reason. I dropped 5 points on a big panning stage because I could not get the size of the target. Held my wind and was right off the edge of every target.

Being able to see the size of the mover and calculate the mover speed yourself is also a plus. I can’t really do that behind a rifle before a stage.

Our range isn’t really set up to get behind a rifle either. Depending on how many shooters and the COF,how fast they squads are moving, we can get wadded up.

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Gunfighter14e2 said:

They won't have to take out their own kind, as they are not the trash that needs removing. They are being restrained now because the reward is not worth the pain of losing everything, at this point. Should the ROL go away or the reward be greater, than any pain man can deal out then things will rapidly change.

It's because of most people (aka the weak) that we have arrived at the point of being a nation of washer woman & robots.

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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said:

4 months.

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DocRDS said:

I'll just drop this here.

Not Yours to Give - FEE

[The following story about the famed American icon Davy Crockett was published in Harper’s Magazine in 1867, as written by James J. Bethune, a pseudonym used by Edward S. Ellis. The events that are recounted here are true, including Crockett’s opposition to the bill in question, though the...

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Maggot said:

Wont work, bra.

It's not unlike the drug situation. People have eaten mushrooms of cowshit, eaten cactus that taste terrible, smoked various and sundry substances, and fermented or distilled others, since there have been people. Governments have been trying to stop it for quite some time, putting them in prison, even killing them, and they dont stop. It's part of a basic human nature to want to alter your consciousness one way or another. Youre not going to stop basic human nature.

As I said in another thread (or was it earlier in this one), capitalism may temporarily be better than Commieunism or Socialism, but in the end they will all fail because of human nature. There will always be that 10 or so percent who arent satisfied with just having their fair share, they want your share as well. These are the ones that go into politics, and big business, while the average Joe just wants to be left the fuck alone to enjoy his or her fair share. The 10% are shrewd and take advantage of Joe. doesnt matter if its Capi's, Socie's or Commie's in the end it works out the same. Joe gets fucked until he snaps and strikes back. Sadly, at this point theres enough technology that this snap may be the final one.

There has to be a fundamental change in human nature.

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