71firebird400 said:

16” 6.5 Creed RTR

S&B 140gr 2438 fps
Berger 130gr Hybrid 2504 fps
Berger 144gr Hybrid 2512 fps
Berger 153.5 Hybrid 2426 fps
Hornady 140gr ELD-M 2453 fps
Federal 140gr Gold Medal 2385 fps
AAC 140gr BTHP 2489 fps
AAC 140gr Matchking 2504 fps
Norma 130gr Golden Target 2592 fps

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Thanks. That is the realm I figured those ammo types would be living in but had no personal direct experience.

Just for shits and giggles, this weekend I might try to nerd a little with the Kestrel and see how those numbers compared to the T308T projo at 2,550-2,600'ish.

375 H&H. should be good for aurochs,raptors and mammoths too. t rex,not so much.

Leupold always leaves me cold when I see they charge $500. just to illuminate the reticle. But that's my personal bugaboo, among many I have with Beavertown brood.

If PRS was a popularity contest, then Leupold wins by a neck, over TT, Zero and the Vortex Gen 3. Leupold's 5-25 are also more popular than the 7-35 by a good amount, and that should tell you something.

Unless your made of money, and/or already a top PRS competitor, I would give a hard look at the Athlon Cronos BTR Gen II 4.5-29x56mm. You can get one in the $1300, range and it's made in Japan, in the same factory as Nightforce no less. It's a sleeper scope, that your bank account will love, but your competitors will look down their noses at you.

You have to decide whether price or the current fashion, as well as where you stand in LR shooting, is most important to you.

I think either the Leupy 5-25, Vortex 6-36, or Athlon Cronos 4.5-29 will all do you in good stead.

As always IMHO and YMMV

Loaded up some ammo for load development and zeroing tomorrow morning.

New 223 bolt gun with .183 free bore.



Left to right: 73gr Berger BT target for break in, 85.5 Berger Hybrid and 90gr Berger VLD.

Modified a sled to point the long pointy rounds into the chamber without crashing into the feed ramp or the face of the barrel.







Fantasy 10 round 223 AI magazine….

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Trump's tariffs seem like a fair idea. a gamble FS but something needs to be tried. if they help,won't be fast. will raise prices i am sure. the fault for that will not really be Trump's or tariffs. he inherited the problem which started in the 50s and has been fed by stupidity,greed and short sightedness for a long time. inflation that he didn't have anything to do with has the same origin. we will be stuck with the bill but the future of younger gens is a real prob. that can shouldn't just continue getting kicked down the road. take a look at those who are doing the most whining about them. that tells it's own story.

Agracer said:

Where are you seeing new MK5HD 5-25's for sub $2k? I've been thinking about that one as well but never seen them less than MSRP ($2,199).

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I just plug the UPC into gun.deals and Scheels will price match the cheapest option

Bacarrat said:

Can we order the Border Patrol Rifle?

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From what I was told it came from AINA so I do not have details on it.

Great on the lefty.
What is ECM? How many grooves and twist is barrel?

Might be stretching the boundaries of even The Bear Pit.

OP is known to be a jerk.

These are really good loads out of my 6.5CM 24" Proof CF barreled AR10...

147 ELD + 40.5 gr H4350 + Rem 7.5 (Peterson or Federal SRP brass) @ COL=2.825"
140 ELD + 41.3 gr H4350 + Rem 7.5 (Peterson or Federal SRP brass) @ COL=2.817"
140 Berger Hybrid + 42.2 gr H4350 + Rem 7.5 (Peterson or Federal SRP brass) @ COL=2.820"
130 Berger OTM + 43.2 gr H4350 + Rem 7.5 (Peterson or Federal SRP brass) @ COL=2.820"
136 Lapua Scenar-L + 42.0 gr H4350 + Rem 7.5 (Peterson or Federal SRP brass) @ COL=2.805"
147 ELD + 42.5 + Staball 6.5 + BR2 (Norma LRP brass) @ COL=2.825"
147 ELD + 42.2 + Staball 6.5 + BR2 (Hornady LRP brass) @ COL=2.825"

Good luck!

-ZA

6.5 Creedmoor Barrel Sold. Price adjusted

JakeM said:

30br bench gun, or Tac ops 308?
Who can tell the difference?

It’s both, bottom row being the tac ops, with a 5 shot group to start.
( Not mine, a different customer )
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I understand that these are rimfire 50 yd targets but what yardage were they shot at, I didn't see that mentioned?

Bacarrat said:

@Mile High Shooting and AI being gay AF. Putting the AX stock with the AT and the 16" barrel is super dangerous in the hands of a civilian. Even the new ATXC with a shorter rail and color matched action is too dangerous. Only for those who are donut snipers and the people who can protect us from the invasion can have those things..... But yet, we can go out and buy a ASR chambered in 338LM. lol

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It is a contract. We honor contracts.

matthias said:

Clarification on my end, I was not commenting about "should this be going on" I was trying to determine what the cutoff for determining if a GMO dire wolf is a dire wolf.

The philosophical questions around the creation of the creatures is a really difficult to to answer.

the base of the issue as I see it is , we have been modifying living things for as long as people have been around. Plants and animals alike have been permanently and in some cases strangely changed. Is the laboratory just the scary part? Or if they had bred 20 generations of gey wolf to turn into direwolf like creatures would that be better?

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good question. to me,the doings in a lab are the big problem. Mendel and Carver and many others going back millennia have been doing genetic work. that well before DNA,genetics were even imagined. dog breeds i am familiar with are essentially human creations-GSD,rott,dob,others. horses and cows & much more. the Spanish flu and ebola arose in nature. covid and the lethal vaccines related are pure human creations. i have no control of any of that but i just don't trust humans fooling around with direct genetic manipulation. a lot of motives are quite malignant. the question "can we do it"? is often asked. "should we do it" never asked or answered in my experience. rare times that it is asked,usually never answered or just carried on by human hubris.

The D said:

No, those will not look good on you.

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Those are for wrapping extra small packages. I usually misspent my youth looking at the ladies lingerie section…

stanley_white said:

I understood the AT LE could be bought with a DD214 but the other LE models required LE agency letterhead.

This was discussed a ways back by @Mile High Shooting.

-Stan

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The AXMC and AT-LE can be purchased by retired or current LE or Mil.

Mile High Shooting said:

I have three in stock you can buy.

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Can we order the Border Patrol Rifle?

Milspec Longhorn said:

What barrel length for the .308?

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18"

Mike R

Partons Pizza
They were very good till the kids took over. screwed up the sauce ?
Used to have lots of salt and fennel to get you to drink more beer.
The hamburger and onion with added jalapenos were awesome.

That place on main street in Weatherford is great but crowded as hell.
You have to use the back street and come in from behind the place.

Bacarrat said:

The ever so dangerous AT LE. Normal civilians can't be trusted to have such a dangerous weapon.

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I have three in stock you can buy.

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Shootnstraight said:

Question for ya all, I'm a rookie at this annealing.

So I shoot 6BR and worked up a load with good velocity and ES. I have been shooting this specific load for about 500 rounds
now, but I went to the range yesterday and noticed my velocities are about 50-60 fps faster and close to pressure with heavy bolt lift. I'm thinking maybe my brass necks are getting hard causing higher pressures???
I'm shooting same Exact load as when I worked it up.

I just got my Annealez last week and was wondering if it is too late to anneal the brass, or is this something that needs to be done every firing?
Can I bring the brass back to its happy place or is it trash?
Should I just buy new brass and start annealing every firing from here on out?
Thank you for any help.

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All the answers above mine are valid and I agree.

However, while I do anneal (or what is actually partially annealing), make sure that you do not have another factor causing your pressure increase.

- Check for a carbon ring.
- measure and check for case length growth.
- and yes, do anneal.

This whole.thing has been a cluster since day 1. She would likely ha e been convicted if not for all the stupidity