The Cartridge Conundrum
- By anon
- Competition Shooting Talk
- 157 Replies
Is Hornady going to sell the 6 ARC Bolt Load pressure ammo as loaded ammo?
Hornady lists the 108 ELD-M G7 as 0.270, they list the 88 ELD-M G7 as 0.274. For the 5.56 NATO they have 6 different powders showing 2700 fps, and one of those, Win 748, up to 2750. That is with a 20" barrel. Their 6 ARC Bolt Data in a 24" barrel, has 4 powders at 2800 fps, and one of those up to 2850.
Lapua advertises their 105 Scenar 6 BR at 2674, that is consistent with what I've seen from their boxed ammo. I am interested to see real numbers from a bolt gun shooting boxed 6 ARC ammo.
I'm not throwing shade on the 6 ARC Bolt numbers, I haven't shot any of it, but their 88 ELD-M is a good bullet. I have shot it. I have also shot 223 F/TR and 223 Service Rifle at 1000 and understand the challenge of hitting a 2 moa target at those ranges.
But, numbers wise, the 88 ELD-M hangs with the 108 ELD-M.
I would be interested to know the industry wide rounds shot per lug failure on both the .378" bolts and the .441" bolts.
The Ruger RPR's like LL shot were marked 5.56 NATO. Hornady could sell a 5.56 NATO with the 88 ELD-M loaded correctly and call it 5.56 NATO Long, or Long Range. It would feed from the 5.56 RPR mag, and some other currently available AICS pattern mags.
Someone needs to convince Ruger to build up some Custom Shop 5.56 NATO RPR's and get Hornady to make 88 ELD-M NATO ammo, and then go show how it can be done.
Service Rifle AR's have been fed long loads for what, 30 years now? The bolt world needs to catch up.
One could even have a 223/5.56 only class. Sure it will not reach as far, but can still teach and exercise the basics. Hell, run some of those matches as factory boxed ammo only. Surely, Hornady could get behind that.
Hornady lists the 108 ELD-M G7 as 0.270, they list the 88 ELD-M G7 as 0.274. For the 5.56 NATO they have 6 different powders showing 2700 fps, and one of those, Win 748, up to 2750. That is with a 20" barrel. Their 6 ARC Bolt Data in a 24" barrel, has 4 powders at 2800 fps, and one of those up to 2850.
Lapua advertises their 105 Scenar 6 BR at 2674, that is consistent with what I've seen from their boxed ammo. I am interested to see real numbers from a bolt gun shooting boxed 6 ARC ammo.
I'm not throwing shade on the 6 ARC Bolt numbers, I haven't shot any of it, but their 88 ELD-M is a good bullet. I have shot it. I have also shot 223 F/TR and 223 Service Rifle at 1000 and understand the challenge of hitting a 2 moa target at those ranges.
But, numbers wise, the 88 ELD-M hangs with the 108 ELD-M.
I would be interested to know the industry wide rounds shot per lug failure on both the .378" bolts and the .441" bolts.
The Ruger RPR's like LL shot were marked 5.56 NATO. Hornady could sell a 5.56 NATO with the 88 ELD-M loaded correctly and call it 5.56 NATO Long, or Long Range. It would feed from the 5.56 RPR mag, and some other currently available AICS pattern mags.
Someone needs to convince Ruger to build up some Custom Shop 5.56 NATO RPR's and get Hornady to make 88 ELD-M NATO ammo, and then go show how it can be done.
Service Rifle AR's have been fed long loads for what, 30 years now? The bolt world needs to catch up.
One could even have a 223/5.56 only class. Sure it will not reach as far, but can still teach and exercise the basics. Hell, run some of those matches as factory boxed ammo only. Surely, Hornady could get behind that.