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Bartlein Barrels Update

I would try Bugholes first. Call/email as they are getting barrels in all the time. Not sure what is going on with their notifications, but both Greg and Russ are nice to chat with on the phone.

Grizzly industrial also carries a selection of Bartlein Barrels, but the price has jumped substantially on the Bartlein blanks in the last year or so.

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Still contemplating a savage 10fp in 308.

The extraction issue is what really plagued the savage platform. I’ve owned several and have seen many with similar issues. But the detent ball swap has fixed almost all of them. A newer 6.5 CM is one that still had issues after the swap
I’ve probably put 20,000 through my 5 Savage center fire rifles and have never had extraction issues of any kind. The ejector springs are kind of weak but that’s about it for me.

Still contemplating a savage 10fp in 308.

First of all I’m surprised that there isn’t any Savage hate in this thread. That’s not usually the case on this forum.

I have 5 Savage center fire rifles.
110BA in 338 LM, 10BA in 308, 10BA rebarreled to 6BR, 12FV in 6.5CM, and a 10TR in 308.

The only rifle that was a turd out of all of them was the 10TR. It would shoot 30” left at 25y.
I sent it in to the Savage service center and being in Canada it took over a year to get a new barrel.
I took it out and it was still doing the same thing.
Someone at my gun club knew on of the higher ups at Savage Canada and in less than a month I had a brand new rifle that shot straight.
I believe that the scope base threads may have been tapped off center.

I would change the bolt knob for the tactical version. Midway usually has them for around $30.
I’ve never changed the ball on the extractor but that’s a common upgrade.

Airguns Beating Rimfires

It looks like 11 PRS airgun competitors total in the U.S. Not more than one in any single state.

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I doubt popularity of pcp's in PRS or NRL will ever catch up to that of rimfire.

What I'd really like to see is how well the very best 22rf shooters in these sports would do with a well tuned good running pcp vs there own 22rf in a bigger match.
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Airguns Beating Rimfires

Lets not forget that 22lrs are just fun to shoot
and putting up with their zany behaviour....
Lets us say...builds character...:LOL::ROFLMAO::love:
Man if you think 22rf's are zany then just own a pcp air rifle for a while and you'll learn what finicky really is. Though some pcp's are just about trouble free and others can be a PITA.

It's mostly the match 22rf ammo cost that drove me away from shooting mine more often but also I can shoot the pcp's on my property.

One pcp I have I swage 4400, 22 cal, 42gr, slugs for $165 and it'll outshoot my Anschutz 22rf at 50Y using match ammo. I shot my best 100Y group with this air rifle slug gun vs my Anschutz.

22 cal Slug/lead bullet BC's

Man what you stated is right on the mark! It's pretty insane no one has built a super stout pcp repeater yet. The potential is already present for pcp's to out do 22rf using current slug designs and as a bonus super low SD too.

I've already mentioned it here on SH but those 25 cal Altaros 60gr are noticeably superior in the wind at longer distances than 22rf standard velocity because of the .245 G1 BC they have. In windier conditions I can stay on the steel with these more whereas not so much with 22rf.
Firearms wise at long range a loose comparison could be like a 223 using 77's/22rf vs a 6mm Dasher using 105's/60gr Altaros slugs.
I have seen you say that about those Toros. I loved your comparison to the awesome 22LR you have. That is crazy how good they can be at that distance. We need Mike N to make a repeater!

Why do people load so hot?

It's hard to take what you say seriously if you just dismiss the load data as "lawyer loads", you can see the pressure and there's 3rd party testing out there that confirms that the pressures are accurate. But again the question leads to, why don't you just shoot a cartridge with more case capacity and run a slower powder and achieve the same higher velocity at lower pressure?
You did not read what I wrote. I find where a given case, bullet, powder, primer combination (varying only powder weight) shows pressure then back down.

You said that 3rd party people confirm the reloading manual numbers, where is this data confirming reloading manual pressures? Do they use the same measurement tools and techniques? I am confident that the people who prepare reloading manuals report their measurements honestly and accurately. But suppose that my barrel length or inside diameter or twist is different? I use 5R rifling profile, how many manuals use 5R barrels? Suppose I use different primers or cases or bullets. Do you know how to adjust manual pressure numbers for these differences? Please enlighten us.

For example, I use Federal primers - known to be somewhat soft so they show pressure sooner.

In 308 I use mostly Lake City LR brass with a reputation for thick walls and smaller case volume than Lapua. I also shoot Lapua, oddly enough with the same powder charge and to the same point of impact. I use 175 SMK bullets - pretty normal. GRT says that I am getting 53,800 psi (max is 60,191, my load is 89.3% of max) with an estimated muzzle velocity of 2,608 - the MV matches my measurements.

In 300 PRC, I use Lapua brass and Berger 230 grain bullets with secant ogive and J4 jackets. Those jackets and bearing surface are different than SMKs. Lapua brass is harder than Hornady and handles pressure better. GRT says that I am getting 57,172 psi (max is 63,817, my load is 89.5% of max) with an estimated muzzle velocity of 2,790 - 97.8% of actual. Actual measurements tell me that my muzzle velocity is 2,850.

GRT is a simulator using a LOT of math and exact numbers when the actual items being modeled vary and some of those calculations vary in non-linear fashion. GRT was careful to tell me that 300 PRC case volume varies, I accepted their guess. Same with the Berger bullets. I figure if it gets within 5 percent I think that is pretty darn good. If you think my loads are hot, I think you are wrong.
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New 6mm Advanced Rifle Cartridge

I picked up CATs 6arc can to dedicate to mine and love it. Shot at a local indoor range yesterday with it and had zero gas to the face, and sounded great when Ive shot it outdoors as well. 18” rlgs with a5h2 and springo green spring it shoots very smooth
Yep, I run a CAT Noah Ti on my main 6 ARC and it's pretty great in that application for gas and suppression. My B&T RBS 762 also does well with the little ARC.
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New 6mm Advanced Rifle Cartridge

About to pop my cherry on a 6ARC. I do run and gun shit so absolute accuracy and MV is not as important as a package that shoots about MOA and is handy over 3-8 miles.

Pulling down my 14.5” intermediate gas upper and replacing with a Noveske Afghan 14.5, will have a P&W Surefire three prong and if I run a can it’ll be a 7.62 RC2.

Have some Duramags on the way as well as 4 different bullets, from 95gr to 107.

Leaving brass along a course is gonna suck,,, but I think this may be a little advantage in the DMR style R&Gs without going to the weight and recoil of a large frame. We’ll see..


If I like it, will probably wear a 4-16x42 ATACR eventually. Will start with either the G3 1-10 that’s on it now or I’ll move a 3-15 NXS F1 over, though that gonna be choncky with a red dot up top .
Noveskes DDF barrel is lighter than the afghan if that’s important to you. I imagine they’ll go on sale again Labor Day.
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New 6mm Advanced Rifle Cartridge

About to pop my cherry on a 6ARC. I do run and gun shit so absolute accuracy and MV is not as important as a package that shoots about MOA and is handy over 3-8 miles.

Pulling down my 14.5” intermediate gas upper and replacing with a Noveske Afghan 14.5, will have a P&W Surefire three prong and if I run a can it’ll be a 7.62 RC2.

Have some Duramags on the way as well as 4 different bullets, from 95gr to 107.

Leaving brass along a course is gonna suck,,, but I think this may be a little advantage in the DMR style R&Gs without going to the weight and recoil of a large frame. We’ll see..


If I like it, will probably wear a 4-16x42 ATACR eventually. Will start with either the G3 1-10 that’s on it now or I’ll move a 3-15 NXS F1 over, though that gonna be choncky with a red dot up top .
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