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What’s the consensus of the 10-80 majesta compared to the previous 10-60.

Worth the jump?

Thanks
The Majesta is a March-X8-80X56 HM. The other riflescope you mentioned is the March-X 10-60X56 HM. Up until the Majesta was released, the 10-60X56 or the High Master, as a lot of people call it, was the best F-Class scope available. The Super ED lenses it uses have a delaying effect on the IQ degradation due to mirage. I had one for many years (still have it, it's my backup scope), and I was always shooting it at 50X, regardless of conditions. This scope has an AOV of 20°, which is pretty much the standard for riflescopes. When DEON designed the Majesta, they put in everything they know about building a riflescope, hardware-wise and optics-wise. They used the same Super ED lenses from the 10-60X56 and then added a pinch of pixie dust to further help retard the IQ degradation in mirage. They also fitted the scope with a wide-angle eyepiece, just like in the March-FX 5-42X56 and the AOV of the Majesta is 25°. This is a 25% increase in linear FOV, or 156% in total. (We shoot two dimensional targets.) The riflescope was released with several different offerings for reticle and one of them was the first ever reticle designed specifically for F-Class competition, the MTR-WFD reticle. Since its introduction, the Majesta has won a large number of F-Class competitions and has become the de facto premier riflescope for the discipline.

This optical supremacy comes at a high price, and a heavy weight. It is an extra 9-10 ounces heavier than the 10-60X56 and I think it's an additional $1000 over the that scope. I know all the top shooters in F-Class, and a lot of them have the Majesta with the MTR-WFD reticle and most of them have more than one. In F-TR, we are more conscious of weight, so the penetration of the Majesta is much smaller, but it is growing as people build new rifles and incorporate the weight of the Majesta in the design.

So, in answer to your question, is it worth the jump? A lot of top F-Open shooters seem to think so. In F-TR, you need to be more circumspect and plan accordingly.


ETA; If you have more question, feel free to PM me, or ask here.
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Imagine if you will, a person trying to break out of the circle of total poverty, and looking for a starting point. You know, the person without a pot to piss in, and the only helping hands are attached to his/her own arms. The first house on the left might look like a life goal at one point in time. Now maybe you can help me to understand why you think the pic fits into "Funny & awesome pics, vids and memes".

Well it is a step up from an appliance box!

But at least with an appliance box, you don’t have an HOA run by Karen’s.

So I can see the point of view!! Many of us in rural areas would consider this a living hell! And having BTDT…. Early in my career… It can be!!!

Sirhr

M40A1 USMC spec clip slot drawing.

Random Guy makes some really good points and honestly, each era of the M40A1 build program was a little different. It just depends on which era you want to build it to.

The "official" M40A1 build guide is from the 1990's, when the shop was still the RTE shop and they were working on the C prefix or Charlie receivers. In that book it details they are supposed to inscribe the US mark on the receiver (as seen by Random Guy), and then mark the last four of the serial on the Bolt, trigger guard, floorplate, stock, and the mount. Then mark the barrel with the RTE proof mark. The original builds in 1977 had variations to the above.

The E, or Echo receivers came in after the shop became the PWS shop circa 1999ish. There is not an "official" manual I have seen for the PWS changeover and E receivers, but I have seen a lot of the E "Echo" M40A1 builds. I've also seen a lot of small notes here and there on the changes in the builds in the Marine docs for these receivers. There were a lot of variations in the Echo Receivers with the markings. Some barrels were dated, but then it was determined to be redundant because the rifle book said the same info. Some Unertl mounts were marked with the serial, most weren't. Some barrels were hand-stamped with single stamps to write out the PWS-P as the proof mark, some had the later PWS stamp after they had one single stamp made that said PWS.

I think the reason there was so much variation in the Echo receivers was because the Marines were already done with the M40a1 by that point. They were already focused on the M40A3 and working out the flaws in that rifle system and the M40A1's were only being made because they needed rifles and the M40A3 wasn't fully operational yet. So the Echo M40A1's were built after they already knew the M40A1 was basically done and they were switching to a new design. The Echo receivers were just a temporary fix to a dying rifle platform. I think that is why there is so much inconsistency in them. You also see a lot of recycled parts in these.

On a side note, looking at all the M40A1 serial numbers, and M40A3 serial numbers, I don't really see any M40A1's that were converted to M40A3. But that is also detailed in the work orders and Marine docs. I know Ken Davis had told me initially they wanted to keep the M40A1 and M40A3 programs separate and start with all new receivers on the M40A3 program and that is the same thing I see in the Marine Docs as well. The work order to build all the new M40A3's, was followed up with a contract with Remington to buy all new receivers.

One final thought. By the end the M40A1 program, it became a program of cannibalization. They would break down rifles for parts to keep other rifles running. So that can create a lot of variation for all the different eras of the M40A1 build program.

So when I was examining all the M40A1's in Marine inventory, you would often see some random part that seemed to not match up to the era. Even though there were guidelines to what was correct on these builds, Marines are Marines and parts are parts. We as collectors like to clone them perfectly to what our knowledge of them is, but the Marines were only worried if they could shoot accurately and if they functioned or not. I did see a lot of recycled parts in the builds.

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I do believe that Judges also have to swear to uphold the Constitution. At some point, we need to start enforcing that with all 3 branches of government - sooner the better. How we enforce it...I don't care.

Elon said it best about Senator astroNUT....TRAITOR...putting another country in front of the USA....
Hang em on pay per view and the natiaonl debt would get cut dramatically

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I will never understand why this is a life goal for some people.
Imagine if you will, a person trying to break out of the circle of total poverty, and looking for a starting point. You know, the person without a pot to piss in, and the only helping hands are attached to his/her own arms. The first house on the left might look like a life goal at one point in time. Now maybe you can help me to understand why you think the pic fits into "Funny & awesome pics, vids and memes".

March tracking error

Thanks. I'm aware of the mil value change. I'm talking about induced error when doing a box test, one example was 2/10's of a mil off at 10 mils dialed, reticle moved 10.2 mils
I must have missed this thread the first time out.

I saw a video of a guy who did a tracking test on a March scope, I think it was a 3-24X52 but it was a few years back and my memory is fuzzy. However, I do remember that he discovered a 2% deviation with the scope. It seems he was getting .2 MIL more than expected dialing up 10 MIL. During the video, he was explaining his method and how the target was hanging out in his backyard, 100 yards away and he was counting the MILs and the tick marks on the paper. He also said that many scopes were failing the same way, virtually all the big names, so he was not worried overly much. He did express some surprise that some of the cheapo scopes he was testing were dead on, but the big names were almost all wrong.

I immediately figured out his problem, just like most of you here who have just read the above paragraph. I left him a note in the comments of his video. Again, this was a few years back, so don't ask for further details.

/tldr:
He was measuring on a target 100 yards away. It should have been 100 meters. Good times, good times.
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I'd argue that was indeed very true, and still to some degree is. While at the same time recognizing, Trump in 2016 began a movement, the Dems went radical left and the reorganization is still occurring. Yes all on bureaucracy but Trump coming in shook things up and made visible loyalties, that the media could no longer hide. Modern social media has connected the world in a way it never has before. And I think its been for the better.

But you know, some may call me a dreamer.
Trump has an R after his name because it was a means to an end. His ego is beyond measurements and he will use anyone and anything to get what he wants. Trump's movement has not caught on with the republicant party. If it had there wouldn't be a need for executive orders and the republicants have control of both houses to pass whatever they want. Trump's movement is a populist movement with the people only. Just like his last term. Everything is just a stroke of the pen to end it. Correlate that to another stolen election where the courts will not do a damn thing to stop.
Do you think that "they" let the houthi bullshit fester for the last 4 years for a reason? The deep state/liberals/rinos and neocons want to entrap Trump into a war with Iran. War is not a populist thing and they will bash Trump every second of it.
Hopefully I am wrong and I hope to not have to revisit this and say I told you so.

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Thank you.
I didn't pick up on the fact that there weren't any. Lol

I watched thier disclaimer / instructions. Not 100% sure how I missed it in the first place.

I thought they ment the audio.

I had an injury to my back. The pain pills didn't take care of it so went to muscle relaxers.

My back is better no more spasms and I can walk this morning, details a little fuzzy.

AR9 trigger help.

There was a time when running a PCC was a pain in the butt. Bolts were cut for either glock mags OR colt mags, but not both. These days, most bolts will accommodate both.

The bolt profile also had an effect on trigger compatibility. What I found the safest route was to stick with milspecish trigger groups. Meaning triggers that use a full power hammer spring. I always stuck with either geissele or some form of schmid. I never had a problem with either.

As for the rest of the build, stick with standard buffer springs. The only reason to go with a heavier spring is if you need it to help with recoil recovery. The spring weight has little to do with the actual closed bolt lock time, for lack of a better term.

When it comes to buffers, avoid solid buffers. You want to use a buffer with sliding weights. This will help with bolt bounce.

A good way to setup a 9mm pcc is to use a vltor A5SH buffer in a standard carbine length buffer tube and grab yourself a few tungsten buffer weights. This will give you a lot of flexibility in tuning.

I do have friends that run hydraulic buffers and they swear that it makes the rig run more smoothly. To me it just feels like the rig is sluggish. I like my rigs to run snappy.
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