.308 Winchester

[Two Shoes]

VSP had a great idea to put this up as a Sticky.
Since we get SO many questions about this, this will aid everyone( esp Noobs) on a good load.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Please list ALL components, twist, barrel mfgr,length, neck tension.
Since we know changing any variable will alter the ultimate outcome.</span>

 

[nesikabay]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

With stock Win. brass i run 44.5 RL 15 175SMK it gives me 2750fps.with Modified Brass and 47+ i get over 2900 out of 175s but accuracy suck. This is with a progresive twist shallow riffling bbl and a Bat action.

 

[Shady_Jay]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

On A Factory 700P I ran 45.7 RE15 to get 175SMK to 2740 before presure signs. This was with Win Brass and FGMM primers. Minimal ES and SD. Stock 26" barrel.
- I am doing a friends load development Saturday on another 700P and will see if this one is is close to the other load as well.

On my custom action (BAT dual port multi-facet) I need as little as 43.0 RE15 to get to 2750 with Win Brass and FGMM primers. 28" Bartlien Gain Twist HV 1:12 4 groove

on an AR-10T the most accurate load to match a MK4 M3 BDC was RE15 44.2 @ 2618fps with 175 SMK. I'm using that scope for another project soon and will step down on the gas to get a faster load for this rifle. This load will give you ejection port dings on the brass if you don't trim the buffer spring length. If you trim it there may be an issue with your lock time and may need the load re-tweaked. Stock 24" Lothar Walther - can't remember the twist...1:11.24? Somebody help me on twist and grove please so I don't have to look it up.

 

[Two Shoes]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Thanks guy's, don't forget barrel length..........Danka.
700P is obvious to most, but not all.(((((((((;

 

[VSP968]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

All of my data is from three dead stock M700 barreled actions in .308:
two 26" 1-12 twist (VS & PSS) and a 20" LTR .

168SMK
FGMM FL sized w/ .336 bushing TL 2.005
Fed 210M
IMR 4895 42.7
2.210 OG
2.808 COAL
AVG VEL @ 80F: 26" 2749FPS 20" 2624FPS 300'ASL
(stolen from Desert Frog)

175SMK
LCLR FL sized w/ .337 bushing TL 2.0
Fed 210M
RE15 44.0
2.233 OG
2.801 COAL
Chrony data corrupted by muzzle blast
35MOA @ 1K yds (85F 300'ASL)
(Courtesy of Prospector)
A guy I shoot 1K with gets the EXACT same performance w/ 42.0 RE15 in his 1-10 twist Shillen bbl.


190SMK
LCLR FL sized w/.337 bushing TL 2.0
Fed210M
RE15 42.0
2.299 OG
2.885 COAL
AVG VEL 26" 2635 @ 80F 300'ASL


I'm still working on my 178AMAX load...

More .308 load data.....

 

[rijndael]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

20" Schneider 5P 1:11 Twist
GAP Palma Match Chamber

155 Scenar
45.5 IMR4895
FGMM Brass
210 Primer
2.805" COAL
2995 fps


175 SMK
43.5 RE-15
FGMM Brass
210 Primer
2.800 COAL
2750 fps

 

[FIREMEDIC27]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Savage 12BVSS 308 26" Barrel 1-10" twist

All Win brass Full length resised
155 Lapua Scenar
46.2g RE-15
BR2 primer
COAL 2.815
2950 fps approx, .5 MOA out to 300y

175 SMK
45.2g IMR 4064
FGM 215 primer
COAL 2.805
2680 fps (i think?)

150 Nosler Balistic tip
45.2g IMR 4064
FGM 215 primer
COAL 2.865
2920 fps, 1.5"group @ 300 yards

 

[RHutch]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rock 5R 11.27 twist, 24"

175 SMK
Lapua Brass
Fed 210M
43.5gr Reloader 15
COAL 2.810
2720 FPS

 

[Rob01]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

GAP Broughton 22" 10 twist. .002" of neck tension on all cases

178 AMAX or 175 SMK
BH/Win brass
Fed 210M or 210
45grns Varget
Seated .005" off lands for AMAX and mag length for SMK
2700fps

178 AMAX or 175 SMK
Lapua brass
CCI 200 Standard LR
44.6grns Varget
Seated .005" off lands for AMAX and mag length for SMK
2700fps

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 20pt">As always use care and work up to these loads as they may be too hot for your rifle and may be dangerous.</span></span></span>

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<span style="text-decoration: underline">All loads shot from a stock Rem 5R MilSpec (24" SS barrel):</span>

Current hunting load:

150 Nosler Accubond
44.5 Varget
CCI BR-2
WW Brass neck sized only (hornady .30-cal NS die)
2.180" at ogive

0.229" center-to-center @ 100:

Current SMK load:

Substitute above load with 175 SMK's

.390" center-to-center @ 100:

No velocity for either load; don't have a chronograph yet. it's on my xmas list though.

Will be trying 168TSX tomorrow; will share results. Also gonna try RE-15 with the SMK's as well.

 

[bh-ltr]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Load developed for my LTR. 20" Barrel

Lapua brass half neck sized using a .338" bushing
45.1 grains of Varget
168 Sierra Match King bullet
Bullet length is set to 2.3125" measured to the Ogive (this is copied from FGMM)
I use this kit to properly measure bullet seating depth: http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=231904

Edit: This usually produces .25 to .5 MOA results in my LTR and flies around 2630 fps.

I have another load that uses these same specs except for 43.5 grains of Varget and a 178 grain A-Max. This load tends to be more accurate than the 168 SMK load. Velocities are about 2500 fps from my 20" LTR. Not only does this load usually shoot better at 100 yards it tends to me much more consistent out to 800 and beyond than the SMK load.

Currently I use the redding competition die set but I plan on adding the Lyman M die and the redding crimp die operations to develop a load that will work similarly with other brands of brass than just Lapua.

 

[jerseymike]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

20" LTR .308 WIN
168 SMK
WIN BRASS
WIN LR PRIMER
42-42.3 GR VARGET
2.825 OAL
AVERAGE GROUP 0.290-0.597
NO CHRONO YET

 

[Jedi]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rijndael</div><div class="ubbcode-body">20" Schneider 5P 1:11 Twist
GAP Palma Match Chamber

155 Scenar
45.5 IMR4895
FGMM Brass
210 Primer
2.805" COAL
2995 fps


175 SMK
43.5 RE-15
FGMM Brass
210 Primer
2.800 COAL
2750 fps </div></div>

Holy crap that smokin from a 20"????
same load 26" Rock 5R ran around 2975fps Win brass

 

[nervous]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Please list lot numbers for the powder.

Nervous

 

[TrapperT]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Stock Remington 700 VLS, 26" barrel, 1-12" twist -


175SMK .015" from the lands
Lapua Brass
CCI BR-2 Primer
.002 neck tension via Sinclair neck expander
44.4 gr Varget (newer lot)
2670fps

Produces outstanding accuracy in this rifle.

 

[VSP968]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rijndael</div><div class="ubbcode-body">20" Schneider 5P 1:11 Twist
GAP Palma Match Chamber

155 Scenar
45.5 IMR4895
FGMM Brass
210 Primer
2.805" COAL
2995 fps


175 SMK
43.5 RE-15
FGMM Brass
210 Primer
2.800 COAL
2750 fps </div></div>

Holy crap that smokin from a 20"????
same load 26" Rock 5R ran around 2975fps Win brass </div></div>

I watched him chrony it and coudn't belive it either...

 

[Two Shoes]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Another couple of very important bits of info should be included, IF you have it.
ES/SD's, Temps.....................

 

[7mmRM]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

26" Broughton BBL
44.5 grns of Varget
175Berger VLD seated into the lands
Fed 210M primer
Win Brass
2750FPS

 

[rijndael]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Holy crap that smokin from a 20"????</div></div>

No doubt. This barrel and chamber have always been VERY fast. I've tried 3 different lots of 4895 now ... same results.

FGMM 168 is running 2705.

 

[Wil]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Remington 700p LTR .308 (20")

45.5gr IMR4895
Lapua Brass
155gr Lapua Scenar
210 Primer
2.83 OAL (max mag length)

46.4gr IMR4895
BHA/Win Brass
155gr Lapua Scenar
210 Primer
2.83 OAL
*** No chrono data on this load yet, but I only need 32MOA to reach 1K ('Real world' come up not QL prediction)***

45gr BL(C)-2
BHA/Win Brass
175 SMK
215 Primer
2.83 OAL

44gr RE15
BHA/Win Brass
168 A-Max
210 Primer
2.83 OAL

44gr RE15
BHA/Win Brass
168 Hornady HPBT
210 Primer
2.83 OAL

***DISCLAIMER***
These are MY loads, and they are safe in MY rifle...Please WORK UP!

-Wil

 

[al redneck]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

24" SPR
80 F.
170 Lapua lockbase bullet
Accurate 2520 powder 43.5 gr.
Rem 9 1/2 primer
2.840 OAL Win. brass
SD 8 for 10 rounds 2645 @ 5yards
Shot 3 five round groups- .54, .56 , .8
Had tried N 550 1.3 moa, BL(C)-2 1 moa
Want to say thanks to the gent at Maple Hill Gunclub for telling me about Accurate 2520 with the 170 lockbase bullets
david

 

[diggler1833]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Remington 700SS 5R stock with bedding and trigger job.
All Loads 1/2 MOA or better.
Temps were in the 80-90* range for all groups fired.

SMK 155gr
Remington brass
CCI BR2
IMR-4064 at 45.5gr
2.820 COL

SMK 155gr
Remington brass
CCI BR2
Reloader 15 at 44.5 and 45.5gr
2.820 COL

SMK 175gr
BLack Hills brass
CCI BR2
IMR-4895 at 43gr
2.820 COL

SMK 175gr
Black Hills brass
CCI BR2
IMR-4064 at 44gr
2.820 COL

SMK 175gr
Black Hills brass
CCI BR2
Varget at 45gr
2.820 COL

 

[matchking]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

25" Rock, 5R, 11.25" twist, Minimum SAMI-spec chamber w/ short lead.

43.1 gr. VV N150
175 VLD
Lapua Brass
CCI BR-2 Primer
Loaded .005" in the lands

Runs around 2660 with ES of 10.52 and SD of 4.79; very accurate, but rather temp sensitive; 35 MOA to 1000 at 200' and around 90 degrees

45.8 gr. Varget
155 Scenar
Lapua Brass
CCI Br-2 Primer
OAL 2.825 (don't know about relationship to lands; never checked it)

Runs around 2910 with about 11 fps SD; very accurate load in my rifle; 32 MOA to 1000 yards at 200' and around 90 degrees.

 

[Jedi]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

My IMR4895 loads are used by alot guys, so here is my (Dans)heavy varget Palma load
lapua brass, Lapua 155 scenar
CCIBR2
Varget 47.8
OAL 2.925
single load only
CAUTION THIS IS WAY OVER MAX, WORK UP TO

Used this load thru Kali summer zero pressure problems
Routinely ran 3000fps from 26" Rem Varmint barrel
Shoots pert good, used by several palma guys

 

[Wil]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shoots pert good... </div></div>

I seen him do it too....

-Wil

 

[J.Boyette]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Mine.

175 SMK @ 2.800
IMR 4064 43.4 grn's
Lapua Brass
CCI BR-2

2700fps in my GAP 700 22" Broughton

 

[johngfoster]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Maybe a little off the "focus" of this thread, but still on topic I think: anyone have any varmint loads worked up for 308?

 

[HRTshooter]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Sub sonic..


Gap SP (lite)
rem700,Rock 20" 1-11.27 (or whatever)
Srt Shadow
brass : LC std.
primer: CCI 250
powder: Trail Boss 10.6gn
bullet: 190 SMK
OAL : 2.810
FPS : 1055fps
1.5" at 300yds


high power load
brass : Lapua
primer: 210
powder: Varget 47.0gn
bullet: 155 Scenar
OAL 2.900ish
shoots bugholes

 

[mluning]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rem 700P
178 A-Max
Hornady Match Brass
45.6 gr Re-15
CCI BR-2
2.830 OAL

 

[SPDGG]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

"stungib" You getting about 2750+ out of that?

 

[VSP968]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SPDGG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"stungib" You getting about 2750+ out of that? </div></div>
I don't know about him, but I got 2718FPS AVG @85F 300'ASL last Saturday with:

178AMAX
LCLR case
45.5 RE-15
Fed 210M

14MOA @ 600yds; 36MOA @ 1K

Primers looked wierd after; I backed off to 44.4 for today....

 

[mluning]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

2700 fps @ 90 deg F with no pressure signs

 

[davidwebb]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Two Shoes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">VSP had a great idea to put this up as a Sticky.
Since we get SO many questions about this, this will aid everyone( esp Noobs) on a good load.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Please list ALL components, twist, barrel mfgr,length, neck tension.
Since we know changing any variable will alter the ultimate outcome.</span> </div></div>
I load 45.5grs RE15 with Rem brass and primers(9.5) using Hornady SST or Sierra SBT bullets. Only shot the Sierra bullets in my rifle but loaded the SSTs for a buddy, he just shot them the other day, he reported they were very, very accurate. Just the other week I compared Varget and RE15 using 42grs each with 168MKs, same components as above, while groups at 200yds werent too impressive,(6X scope) the 100yd group with the RE15 went 9/16th" for 3 shots, 2 literally in the same hole, out of my stock Remington barrel. Varget didnt fair as well, so much for Layne Simpsons "great" 308 loads per Rifleshooter mag issue. Oh, I use Hornady dies, dont have the foggiest what the neck tension is, havent got that anal yet, bullet is seated .040" off the lands. Stock Rem. stainless sporter barrel, 10 twist, 24".

 

[Gruff]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Here's a goody...

Norma match brass
Federal 210M
47.2 gr VV N550
Sierra 190 Matchking

Seat to 2.80". Velocity out of my 26" Hart 10" twist barrel is 2730 to 2740.

Comeups from 100 yd zero:

100 +0
200 +1.5
300 +4.0
400 +6.75
500 +10.0
600 +13.5
700 +17.5
800 +22.0
900 +27.0
1000 +33.0

 

[Regular Guy]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

155 Scenar
Lapua brass
44.5g RL-15
F210M
2.850 OAL
2950fps@80 degrees from a 22" 11.27 twist Rock barrel

175 SMK
Lapua brass
43.5g RL-15
F210M
2.810 OAL
2725fps@80 degrees from a 22" 11.27 twist Rock barrel

 

[Two Shoes]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Great thread, keep bringing it to the table.........please remember barrel length is as important as any other factor...........include it also.
Thanks for the postings..................

 

[barrett1142]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

GAP Built Rem700
22" Obermeyer 1-11 twist
A-5 stock
Badger detach mag
NightForce BR 12-42x56 NP-R2

175 Berger VLD
Lapua Brass Fire formed then inside neck reamed on a foster trimmer sized with redding S die .334 bushing trimed primer pocket with Sinclair uniformer
CCI BR-2
Varget 43.5
Last fired 25 rounds 5 shot groups at 600
1-5 AVG 2631 ES 12.58 SD 5.38
6-10 AVG 2622 ES 22.71 SD 8.60
11-15 AVG 2636 ES 29.25 SD 11.09
16-20 AVG 2626 ES 12.54 SD 5.56
21-25 AVG 2655 ES 8.16 SD 3.16

 

[Z06er]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

H&S Precision HTR 24' 1x12 twist

WW Virgin Brass-Full BR prep
No Turn Neck
Neck Sized using Redding Neck Sizing Die with Carbide ball. necks lubed using Neco Moly kit.
Headspace measures "0" on MCS Precision Mike
Fed 210M
168 SMK
42.2 Varget
2.810 OAL

Loaded on Dillon 650. Bullets seated with Redding Micrometer BR die.

Shoots in the .2's to .3's at 100 at 22x from a rest. Amazing accuracy.

 

[nomad 1]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

44.5 of Varget, in Fed cases, 210M primers with 168 CC Nos.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

168 Nosler BTHP's
42.6 IMR4895
WIN/BH Brass
Fed 210
2.800 oal
-works well in my 22" Shilen 700 and my 26" Savage 10FP

168 Amax
43.6 IMR4895
WIN/BH Brass
Fed 210
2.845 oal
-work very well in my Savage (and from the mag too!)

168/180 Hornady BTHP's
41.4 IMR4895
Rem (168) Fed (180) Brass
Fed 210
2.810" oal
-Sillywet offhand load, Factory Stock LTR Barreled action (with a RB 10oz trigger) in a McMillan Master Silhouette stock-don't know how they group but the steel falls at 200-500m every time if I can break the shot while the dot's on the animal!

Think I'm gonna play with 155's next, lots of good stuff in this thread!

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My IMR4895 loads are used by alot guys, </div></div>

And they would be????????

 

[Jedi]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I didnt post IMR load info as Wil took care of that.
Do a search on 155 scenar the guys shooting IMR are probably using my old load.
My goal was to equal performance of Dan's heavy vargay load but feed from mag, had to use Badger DBM to get extra room needed but i,m there. 27MOA @1K Wil can vouch for that, wont be posting that load data coz its way over MAX.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didnt post IMR load info as Wil took care of that.
Do a search on 155 scenar the guys shooting IMR are probably using my old load.
My goal was to equal performance of Dan's heavy vargay load but feed from mag, had to use Badger DBM to get extra room needed but i,m there. 27MOA @1K Wil can vouch for that, wont be posting that load data coz its way over MAX. </div></div>

-gotcha. My mag length just extended for my 700, it'll match my Savage now probably. I went to an AICS and the mag length beat the heck outta the factory box!!

 

[slapshot.308]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Nosler 168gr Custom Competition
IMI Match brass
Winchester LR primer
43.2gr Hodgdon Varget
2.825" COAL

2,670 f/s from a stock Remington 700VS, duplicates FGMM 168 out of the same rifle.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Hornady 168gr BTHP Match
IMI Match brass
Winchester LR primer
42.0gr TAC
2.790" COAL

This is my 300 yards and less go to load. Capable of VERY tiny goups.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Sierra 175gr MatchKing
IMI Match brass
Winchester LR primer
42.2gr Hodgdon Varget
2.825" COAL

2,640 f/s from a Savage M12 with a 26" Douglas 1:10 RoT. Average 5-shot group is under 3/4 MOA out to 300 (most of the time closer to 1/2 MOA).

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Sierra 175gr MatchKing
IMI Match brass
Winchester LR primer
44.0gr Hodgdon Varget
2.825" COAL

 

[Wil]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Vouchin' for Jedi... I seen it done... and done well.

-Wil

 

[crowsnest2002]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<span style="font-weight: bold">165grn Hornady SST</span>
Well fellas I've been loading up 165 grn Hornady SST's for my 20"LTR Here's the results with Varget. I've tried completely up and down the scale and here is what I've gotten with Varget alone that is the best..

BRASS:Winchester
BULLETS:165grn Hornady SST's
POWDER: 44.2 Varget
PRIMERS:CCI Large Rifle
OAL:2.8"

Results: The best group with the spectrum of varget weights was 44.2grns of Varget which gave me an average five shot group of .8" of and inch at 100 yards.

The second best group with powder ratio was with 44.4 grns of varget giving me .9" of an inch at 100yards.

From these points it didnt matter what I did with the powder charges, the groups just opened up either way I went. I will update on other powders soon to come.

 

[rockpup]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

175smk, win brass, br-2, 44.4 varget, box stock 700p with 26" 1:12 barrel threaded for AWC Spec-90 suppressor.
I'm getting 2600fps, which seems low compared to most other peoples loads, so I'm going to guess it's the factory chamber vs a 'custom' chamber.
0-100yd
+39-1000yd at 85 degree's
best I've done is 3 consecutive on an 8" steel at 1000 yards, and a 3/8" 5 shot group at 100 yards. Normally .5 moa

 

[RX7-2nr]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rifle-
Remington 700
26" Shilen Select Match chambered in 308 Winchester Match 1:12 twist.

175SMK-
42.8g RL15, Win Brass, CCI BR2 primer- 2690 fps.
43.3g RL15, Win Brass, Fed 210M primer- 2740 fps.

110g VMAX-
49g H335, Win Brass, Fed 210M primer- 3300 fps.

 

[philodox]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

178gr Hornady A-MAX
41.7gr reloader-15
Hornady Match Brass
CCI BR-2 Primers
Headspace set at -.003
OAL 2.803

Out of my FN SPRA1 24" I'm seeing about 2675-2690fps depending on the weather conditions. For my gun this load is a tack driver. Best 5 shot group at 100yds was .203 inches

 

[Hooper]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rem 700P 308win, 22" barrel and a throat so long the bullet leaves the case as it hits the rifling.

175smk
fed case
fed210 primer
43 gr IMR4064
2.815oal

This load is a hammer in my rifle and I get approx. 2625fps out of it. Come ups are 15.5moa @ 600 and 38.5 @ 1k