.308 Winchester

[Rookie]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

24 inch Kreiger on Remington action
Black Hills Brass
44.9 grains Varget
175 grain SMK seated to max mag length, 2.830 inches max
CCI BR2 or Fed 210M primers
2693 fps at 500 feet above, 95 degrees

 

[Jiffy]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

SPR A3 G, 24 in., 1 in 12

Lapua Brass
CCI BR2 primers
42.5 gr. Varget
168 SMK
OAL @ 2.825 in.
Have not shot it over a chrono. yet but guessing a little over 2600? VERY consistent sub .5 MOA. Most @ .3 or .2 (5 shots)

Lapua Brass
CCI BR2 primers
43.2 gr. Varget
168 VLD
OAL @ 2.925 in. (0.005 in)
No idea on the fps....yet.

Not good for a tactical comp. round but has anyone tried Scenars into the lands? I haven't tried that yet. They have been shooting OK @ max. mag length but was curious what they would do jammed. I know it made a big difference with the VLDs. You can PM me if you don't want to clutter this thread up. Curious is all.

 

[hexades1]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Lynx 94, 24", 1:12" twist.

Lapua Brass FL-sized with .336 TiNi Redding bushing

Bullet 155 Scenar (non-coated)

Fed 210

VV N150 47,0 grein

OAL: 73,0 mm i.e. 2.87"

898m/s or 2993 fps

Very accurate ! 1200 yard load on sea-level. Safe load also on summer time, no extraction or primer problems ever.

Bullet 170 Lock base (non-coated)

Lapua Brass FL-sized with .336 TiNi Redding bushing

Fed 210

VV N550 48,0 grein

OAL: 72,8 mm i.e. 2.87"

854m/s or 2846 fps

A safe load but the 155 Scenar load flies straighter AND is more accurate in my rifle.

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lynx 94, 24", 1:12" twist.

Lapua Brass FL-sized with .336 TiNi Redding bushing

Bullet 155 Scenar (non-coated)

Fed 210

VV N150 47,0 grein

OAL: 73,0 mm i.e. 2.87"

895m/s or 2983 fps

Very accurate ! 1200 yard load on sea-level. Safe load also on summer time, no extraction or primer problems ever.
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mad

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Jiffy,
I tried some 155 Scenars in the lands on my friends 1st Gen FN SPR. They came out to be 2.920. I loaded them over Varget. I think it was about 45.5 gr. Using Fed brass (free) so didn't push it as hard as my Lapua. It still shot under 1/2 inch at 200
yds. My friend was thinking of selling that rifle to get a new model. Not now!!!

 

[softcock]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

175 SMK's
Win. brass
br2 primer
43.0 #15 / Lot# was Oct.-06
2608 fps Ave. Vel.
22.5" barrel , 11.27 twist
Off the bipod and concrete pad. 5-round group yesterday - choked the 2nd round, knew it was a bad pull and tried to override the trigger-finger, but was too late.
only a 200 yrd. group @ 2608 fps with 175's.
.

.

 

[justjc]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

27" Broughton bbl 1:10 twist
175 SMK 5 thou off the lands
46 gr RL-15 (have to vibrate it down)
Lapua Brass
Fed 210M primer
2875 fps

 

[Luke]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Savage 10FLP 24" 1:10 twist

Lapua brass
Federal 210M
42.5gr. Varget
Sierra 175gr. HPBT
Bullet seated to 2.81 OAL
Average velocity 2635 FPS
Average group size 0.4 MOA

 

[Jiffy]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scimitar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jiffy,
I tried some 155 Scenars in the lands on my friends 1st Gen FN SPR. They came out to be 2.920. I loaded them over Varget. I think it was about 45.5 gr. Using Fed brass (free) so didn't push it as hard as my Lapua. It still shot under 1/2 inch at 200
yds. My friend was thinking of selling that rifle to get a new model. Not now!!! </div></div>

Sweet! Thanks Scimitar, I'm going to have to try it.

 

[JB5812]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage 10FLP 24" 1:10 twist

Lapua brass
Federal 210M
42.5gr. Varget
Sierra 175gr. HPBT
Bullet seated to 2.81 OAL
Average velocity 2635 FPS
Average group size 0.4 MOA </div></div>

Luke: I am your father.



No really, I have a question;

Is that OAL from the lands, or COAL?

Thanks,

Josh

 

[okiemnmm]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

26" Parker Hale barrel with a 14.5 twist-

150 Seirra match, Win/blk hills brass, WLR primers, 47grs varget.

gets 2850 fps accordin to the comeup chart. very tight 3-4 inch groups from 600 to 800. Got to 900 usin 31.5moa.

ran out of varget went with 46grs RL-15. 100 yard group tightened to real bughole. got to 900 agin with 30.75moa.

Doubt many use the older 14.5" twist cast off Brit sniper barrels but it was kinda interestin to see the groups.

 

[Irelander]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

stock REM 700LTR
168gr. A-MAX
Federal Brass
42.7gr IMR4895
Win. Primers
2.800 OAL

tried this load out this weekend at 300m. My four shot group was 1 7/16". That's under .5MOA. I Love it!

 

[81STFACP]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

GAP AR10T, 24 inch barrel, 5.5x22x56 scope, rig as is acquired from Keith on this site.

Load borrowed from OCW site, derivative of Jedi's IMR4895 load.
45.3 IMR 4895
LC LR 01 brass
BR-2
155 Berger VLD Molied
Mag length COL 2.83, jumping
Velocity, don't know, however come up is 12 minutes from 200 zero to 600. Someone with ballistic program please help.

Shot this load for the first time last weekend while hunting by the Tex-Mex border. I have access to a 1K range on the property for my high power practice. Just have 6x6 stand up target, my spotter had to walk out of the berm to mark shots. Set up two targets, one to get the elevation and the other to shoot group. All groups are only three shots. Zeroed at 200, moved to 3,4,5, and 6, adjusted for and developed drop chart, and shot 3 shot group at each yard line. The composite of the five 3 shot groups is 1.2 inch vertical and 2.3 horizontal. Surpised about the VLD tolerance to to the bullet jump. BTW, shot these from 10 to midnight, spotlights on the target and trucks headlights on the firing line, and the illuminated reticle on. Why midnight? Two reasons - no wind, and to keep the two legged Coyotes off the property.

Another excellent load on this rifle

42.4 IMR4895
175 Berger VLD Bare
Primed M118 brass
No velocity number, just shot this at 200 on our range in Austin, group is lees than half minute

 

[Jedi]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

IMR just rocks with 155's, never tried berger coz scenars are cheaper

 

[rem700man]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81STFACP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP AR10T, 24 inch barrel, 5.5x22x56 scope, rig as is acquired from Keith on this site.

Load borrowed from OCW site, derivative of Jedi's IMR4895 load.
45.3 IMR 4895
LC LR 01 brass
BR-2
155 Berger VLD Molied
Mag length COL 2.83, jumping
Velocity, don't know, however come up is 12 minutes from 200 zero to 600. Someone with ballistic program please help.

Shot this load for the first time last weekend while hunting by the Tex-Mex border. I have access to a 1K range on the property for my high power practice. Just have 6x6 stand up target, my spotter had to walk out of the berm to mark shots. Set up two targets, one to get the elevation and the other to shoot group. All groups are only three shots. Zeroed at 200, moved to 3,4,5, and 6, adjusted for and developed drop chart, and shot 3 shot group at each yard line. The composite of the five 3 shot groups is 1.2 inch vertical and 2.3 horizontal. Surpised about the VLD tolerance to to the bullet jump. BTW, shot these from 10 to midnight, spotlights on the target and trucks headlights on the firing line, and the illuminated reticle on. Why midnight? Two reasons - no wind, and to keep the two legged Coyotes off the property.

Another excellent load on this rifle

42.4 IMR4895
175 Berger VLD Bare
Primed M118 brass
No velocity number, just shot this at 200 on our range in Austin, group is lees than half minute </div></div>

what is the twist on your bbl?

 

[81STFACP]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I assume it is 11.25. I was told by Keith that it is a Rock barrel that GAP installed.

 

[USSR]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Ah, so I'm not the only one who likes LC M118 LR and Match brass?

Don

 

[ChrisGarrett]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Roughly 800 rds down the tube of a Savage 10FP LE2b, 26" 1/10" and MOA has been the norm, maybe slightly larger using 150 SMKs up through 180s, Lapua 155 Scenars, 167s, 150 LB, 170 LB, 185 Scnars, Berger 167/175s, yadda, yadda, yadda. I was thinking that I was the one guy that got the crappy Savage and figured that I'd put it up for sale and look to an FN SPR or something along those lines, however, 2 recent visits this past week using 168 SMKs and 185 Silver Scenars has produced these results, so I'm going to stick with them AND the Savage for now.

RA61 (2x), annealed, flash hole deburred, pockets uniformed, Bushing necked going 338>336", 210M, trimmed to 2.004", Chargemaster 1500.

168 SMKs: 42.7gr RE 15 seated to 2.790 & 2.820, off the lands. ~2685-2709fps.

185 Silver Scenars: 41.0gr VV150 seated to 2.835, in the lands slightly, ~2440fps.

SDs and ES weren't great, but I was kind of underfilled at these weights.

Bottom right corner groups were Sierra 168 Internationals with their 'blow hole' cavities and they were the first rounds of the day after a decent cleaning the night before.

Chris

 

[akm]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

crisgarret DO NOT TRADE THAT SAVAGE the fn is not better
what accuracy did you get from the 150's and which brand 150's?
I have not had good luck with the 150's for accuracy but they make HUGE holes in critters

 

[paul T]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

chris, Have you found the 185g scenar as accurate out to 1k as the 155g scenar, paul.

 

[ChrisGarrett]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paul T</div><div class="ubbcode-body">chris, Have you found the 185g scenar as accurate out to 1k as the 155g scenar, paul. </div></div>

I really haven't shot the Savage out past 100yds and to be honest, the past two years were an embarassment at even that paltry distance.

I'm going home to LA for some work next week and might bring it out now that I have some known rounds. I can shoot out to 600 at Angeles Range in the Valley.

This was today, same two loads basically:

168 SMK over 42.7gr of RE-15, 210M, ~2.810", RA61 3x and
185 Silver Scenars over 41.0gr of VV150, 210M, ~2.830, RA61 3x

Not too bad with either. My Chrono was glitchy today, but the velocities of ~2700 & ~2440 were consistent with the previous data.

Chris

 

[paul T]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Good groups Chris, Ive been using vit n540 45.6g with the 185g molly scenars ave vl 2620 fps With my 308 24inch barrel Blaser LRS2 rifle, This Load is very hot but safe in my stick, I will try n550 with the 185 as its slightly slower and might suit the 185g bullet weight better than the faster n540 although the n540 Loadings were very accurate, regards paul.

 

[24kshooter]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rob01 - a quick prayer for your 'Lil Boy kitty as I know he will be missed around the Holidays.

PSS 26"
168 SMK
NEW Lapua Brass
CCI #34
44 gr Varget
COAL 2.80
2680 FPS

 

[schmud0811]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

remington 700 schnieder barrel (m40a1 contour and length)
175smk
LC LR brass trimmed to 2.010
wlr primmer
42.5 of rl-15
COAL 2.80
2670 fps

same load w/ 43 grains of rl-15 i get 2750 but sticky bolt sometimes so i run with the 42.5 shoots awsome groups.

 

[HotIce]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rijndael</div><div class="ubbcode-body">20" Schneider 5P 1:11 Twist
GAP Palma Match Chamber

155 Scenar
45.5 IMR4895
FGMM Brass
210 Primer
2.805" COAL
2995 fps

</div></div>

Dang! If I input this one on Quickload, it starts warning me to run for cover

Pressure curve peaks at 70K psi, and 103% case load.
No signs of over pressure?
I've some Scenars 155gr I never loaded, and I was looking for some recipes (with IMR 4895). I'll develop up starting from 43.3gr, right around 50K psi.

 

[Jedi]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

155 scenar
Win /bh brass 46.6
lapua 45.6
Oal 2.820
tweak as needed

also the default BA value for imr4895 in QL is wrong

 

[pascal]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Someone mentioned it before but this is basically my duplicate of the Federal Gold Match for my rifle:

168gr Sierra HPBT
42.7 IMR4895
Federal Brass
Oal 2.8
Federal 210M primers
2640 to 2650 fps (same as FGM in my barrel)
Barrel: 26" Shillen

My son use the same as above in his Savage 110 with 26 Inches barrel. The difference is that he uses 42.3 grains of IMR 4895.

Using Norma brass I had to use 43 grains of IMR 4895 to get the same fps.

 

[Two Shoes]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Win /bh brass 46.6
lapua 45.6
Oal 2.820
tweak as needed </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">WHAT BULLET?</span>

 

[HotIce]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Two Shoes</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Win /bh brass 46.6
lapua 45.6
Oal 2.820
tweak as needed </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">WHAT BULLET?</span> </div></div>

Scenar 155gr

 

[RUM Lover]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

SUBSONICS

1/10, 16.5" Krieger

10.5 gr Greendot
Win LRM primers
Remington brass
220 Hornady RN
1030-1080 fps
need to raise rifle barrel to get all powder against primer for best consistency
3/8" 10 shot group at 100, 2" at 200
12 MOA above my 200 yard 150 Bt @ 2850 zero

12.5 gr trailboss
same brass/primers/bullet
1010-1020 fps
1/2" at 100, 1.5" at 200
12.5 MOA up


10" 1/8 twist shillen encore pistol barrel
240 SMK
14 gr Trailboss
Win LRM primers
Rem brass
1020-1050 fps
Only fired about 15 rounds through this barrel, but the last 5 were of this recipe and all in 1" at 100. Haven't tried it at 200 yet. Considering it's a pistol, I thought a 1" group @ 100 was good.

Supersonics:
150 NBT 48gr H380
Win LR primers, Rem cases with fewer than 5 loads
1/4" @ 100, 1/2" @ 200
16.5" Krieger

 

[nolo263]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

155 scenar
45.5 varget
210m primer
lapua case

Out of my GAP crusader I am getting 2850fps and 10 shot groups under .3 easy when I do my part. My best 10 shot group with this load is .2!!!

Gap kicks ass!!!

 

[Tango Alpha]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rem 700P in .308 26" barrel:

175 SMK
43gr IMR 4064
2.8" COL
Win brass
CCI BR2s
2560 fps in cold weather

168 Rem Core-Lokt
crimped at cannelure
head/neck sealed
42.5 gr H4895
? COL
Win brass
CCI BR2s
Good hunting load.

These are pretty safe loads, they're not very close to the maximum. I was more concerned with accuracy than squeezing every FPS out of the rifle. However, please work up your loads slowly anyway.

 

[piersonma]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Hi all I need a starting point for my rem 700p 1:12 26"BRL 308.

Win Brass
Fed 210 Primers
IMR 4895
Sierra 168 HPBT

The data on the website is completely different then my 308 reloading guide. This is my first reload and I want to get started on the right foot. Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

[Tango Alpha]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Start at 40 or 41 grains. You're accuracy load will prolly be around 42 - 43 grains. You should be able to go quite a bit more than that, but do it in small increments. Really though, with that setup, you're looking for accuracy, not top FPS, so don't get caught up on maxing out your FPS. You'll be very satisfied up to 600 yards.

If you want a long range load, try Varget with 155 Lapua Scenars. You can also try IMR 4064 and/or 175 SMKs.

Good luck!

 

[pascal]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

As he said above. I started at 41 and moved on up.

Ended up at 42.7 and yeah, the reloading guide did not make any sense either. Such is reality.

 

[Captain Moroni]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

175gr SMK
42.5 varget
hornydaddy match brass turned necks
cci br2 primers
26"bbl
2905 fps

I didnt get the velocity up until I started turning the necks

 

[Sterling Shooter]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

2905? Are you sure about that?

 

[USSR]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Sterling,

Yeah, I've noticed a few guys posting PIASP velocities lately. Suspect it's the 11:00am sunlight-on-the-sensors chrony readings.

Don

 

[Sterling Shooter]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

USSR,

I've gotta tell ya, I've read some posts here lately that just defy logic, from folks giving out their loads without comment on velocity, to claims of 1/6 MOA accuracy at 300 yards with irons. I'm home sick with the flu today; but, reading these posts, I'm still laughing.

 

[USSR]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Get better soon. BTW, "PIASP" stands for <span style="font-weight: bold">P</span>hysically <span style="font-weight: bold">I</span>mpossible <span style="font-weight: bold">A</span>t <span style="font-weight: bold">S</span>ane <span style="font-weight: bold">P</span>ressure.

Don

 

[RX7-2nr]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T Bloxham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">175gr SMK
42.5 varget
hornydaddy match brass turned necks
cci br2 primers
26"bbl
2905 fps

I didnt get the velocity up until I started turning the necks </div></div>

hmmmmmmmm.

 

[cefirearmstraining]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Springfield M21 Tactical
22" 1:10 twist Krieger Heavy Match Barrel
168gr SMK HPBTM
43.5gr H4895
CCI 7.62 NATO Primers
Blackhills Brass
2703fps
1/4" at 100yds

Consistant hits on steel out to 800yds

 

[HotIce]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T Bloxham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">175gr SMK
42.5 varget
hornydaddy match brass turned necks
cci br2 primers
26"bbl
2905 fps

I didnt get the velocity up until I started turning the necks </div></div>
Let's make it 2605fps. That sounds more realistic, doesn't it?

 

[thmpr]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Went to the range today to chrono some loads off of my MK11 Mod 0 and was a bit surprised of the velocity.

Powder: Varget
Charge: 44 grains
OAL:2.800
Bullet: 175 SMK
Barrel Length: 20"
Brass: SSA

Velocity: 2560

Groupings: .47" (5 shots at 100 yards)

I am very pleased with the groupings but was not too happy with the velocity. Would 45 grains be a bit to much for a semi-auto rifle?

 

[doc76251]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

thmpr,

If your getting 2560 out of an 20" tube with 44.0 of Varget you'd best be DAMN CAREFULL when you change lots of powder. At one time there was a "slow lot" you may have some. That load "should" be pounding your rifle HARD. That being said I'm not familiar with SSA brass, if it's like Remmy belay my last(some), if it's like LC-M be carefull.

Cheers, Doc

 

[thmpr]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Thanks for the feedback Doc. Per Hogdon load manual, it states 45 grains of varget as the max load with a velocity of 2690 from a 24" barrel thus I am achieving what I am suppose to out of a 20" barrel.

 

[doc76251]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Yup, but I would submit that 45 is max for a BOLT gun, gas guns are a bit different.

Cheers, Doc

 

[jaeger_1969]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Savage 10FP, Factory 24" barrel, 1:10 twist.

Win. Commercial Brass
43.5 IMR 4064
175 SMK
Fed 210M Primer
2.815" OAL

2620 FPS at 40'F. My velocity adjusts up about 10 FPS for every 20'F off of my baseline. (ie. 2630 FPS at 60'F etc.)

Sufficiently mild, yet accurate. .5-.75 MOA load on no wind conditions.

..Jaeger..


I have been using some standard FED 210's with no ill effects in place of the 210M's.

 

[Captain Moroni]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Originally Posted By: T Bloxham
175gr SMK
42.5 varget
hornydaddy match brass turned necks
cci br2 primers
26"bbl
2905 fps

I didnt get the velocity up until I started turning the necks

I dont blame you guys for questioning my velocity and I my be wrong my chrony isnt the best maybe the sun was in the sensors but before I started turning the necks I was at 2754 FPS then I started turning my necks and using a bushing sizing die with .002 "grip" my velocity went up. I use Horus ATRAG and with that velocity I am right on. I want to be correct so next time I get a good day with some sun lately it has been shity weather here I will recheck my load. I dont want to be labled a B.S.er or critter capper jr so I will let you know what I come up with.

 

[JasonYuke]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

5R Milspec 700

43.5 g of varget
175 SMK
Fed GM Brass
Fed GM primer
OAL 2.835
1to 1.5 Moa For every group of 5 shots unless I pull.Sure some are .5 some less but avg for 60 shots or 12 groups = 1 Moa

I believe you guys but i have no Idea how you are getting such good groups not out to the lands! My Milspec will not shoot sub moa at 2.800 oal!

Tikka Tactical
46.0 gr of BLC-2
Amax 178
Lapua Brass
Fed GM Primer
Oal 2.910

Shoots 1 moa at 100, 2 Moa at 300. for every 5 shot group