.308 Winchester

#101
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rem 700P stock 26" barrel with 1K round count

175 SMK
43.0 RE-15
BR-2 primers
Fed Match brass (weight sorted, uniformed, fire-formed and neck sized)
2.800 OAL
2670 fps

168 SMK
42.0 RE-15
BR-2 primers
Fed Match brass (weight sorted, uniformed, fire-formed and neck sized)
2.800 OAL
2590 fps

Both shoot consistent .5 MOA or better five shot groups out to 500 yd. I haven't made it out to shoot 1K with the 175s yet.
 
#102
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

GAP H2H
22" Rock 1/10
round count 130

180 NBT
43.5 Varget
Win Cases
Win LR primers
.002 off lands

mean vel: 2603
sd: 6

1/2" 10 shot group @ 100
 
#103
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Had good luck with this one. Just over 1/4" at 100yds and at 1" at 200yds. I had given up on both Nosler Custom Competition bullets as well as Hodgdon Benchmark powder and just threw some together to plink with. Ended up being a hell of a load, not my best, but still a good one.

Nosler 168gr. C.C.
Winchester brass
41.7gr Hodgdon Benchmark
CCI BR2
2.810 COL

Rifle is a Remmy 5R
 
#104
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Time for me to contribute………
Following information derived from Rem 700 SA with 32” Lilja Palma contour, 3-groove, 1:10 twist barrel, .339 neck. Loads were shot over an Oehler 35P with screens set at 15 feet. Unless otherwise noted temp was 50 degrees with variable cloudiness, 3-5 wind. Shooting was done at 100 yards to compare known 100 yard zeros. Testing was done on the ground with Harris pod with claws. All rounds were loaded into new prep’d and trimmed Win brass .015 off the lands using -.002 neck tension. 5-shot groups were used for testing.

Note: this is the barrel I’m having a hell of a time finding a decent heavy bullet load for. I've been advised that I may need to try slower powders which will be done on next outing.

<span style="text-decoration: underline">170 Lapua rebated boat tail </span>
44.9 grains Varget, BR2 primers
M=2849, E=21, S=8
This is a damn accurate load which will be tested at longer distances

<span style="text-decoration: underline">170 Lapua rebated boat tail </span>
43.6 grains 4064, 210M
M=2802, E=21, S=9
Not quite as accurate but worth a second look

<span style="text-decoration: underline">175SMK</span>
44.9 grains Varget, BR2
M=2815, E=31, S=12

<span style="text-decoration: underline">175SMK</span>
43.6 grains 4064, 210M
M=2765, E=22, S=8

<span style="text-decoration: underline">190SMK</span>
43.8 grains Varget, BR2
M=2688, E=19, S=7
Same load at 80 degrees
M=2719, E=29, S=11

<span style="text-decoration: underline">190SMK</span>
44 grains RE15, 210M
M=2731, E=10, S=4
Same load at 80 degrees
M=2781, E=19, S=6

<span style="text-decoration: underline">190SMK</span>
44.7 grains RE15, 210M, Shot at 80 degrees
M=2794, E=22, S=6

<span style="text-decoration: underline">178 Amax</span>
44.9 grains Varget, BR2
M=2776, E=12, S=4

<span style="text-decoration: underline">178 Amax</span>
43.6 grains 4064, 210M
M=2730, E=16, S=6

 
#105
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JasonYuke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5R Milspec 700

43.5 g of varget
175 SMK
Fed GM Brass
Fed GM primer
OAL 2.835
1to 1.5 Moa For every group of 5 shots unless I pull.Sure some are .5 some less but avg for 60 shots or 12 groups = 1 Moa

I believe you guys but i have no Idea how you are getting such good groups not out to the lands! My Milspec will not shoot sub moa at 2.800 oal!

Tikka Tactical
46.0 gr of BLC-2
Amax 178
Lapua Brass
Fed GM Primer
Oal 2.910

Shoots 1 moa at 100, 2 Moa at 300. for every 5 shot group </div></div>

What kind of optics are you using?
 
#106
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

hornady 168gr. BTHP
38.8gr. Accurate 2495
Lake city match cases
winchester large rifle primers

.665 inches at 110 yards
Stock rem 700 LTR 20 inch barell
15mph crosswind
 
#107
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

FGMM Neck-sized cases at 2.015"
Fed 210 primers
45.4gn IMR-4895
155gn AMAX
2.800" COAL

2830fps averaging .5 MOA (Within the 300yds I have to play with) out of 26" tube on factory 700 VS in standard conditions (Sea-level, mid-fifties, moderate humidity)
 
#109
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

i may have missed this but mine is...
175smk, fed 210m, 41.0g and 42.0g of h4895, lapau brass (benchrest prep.)
i shoot two different gun, hence the two power amounts. and they both shoot well. varget is ok too but my brass lasts longer with the h4895. i think it's because of the compressed load of varget but lots use it, just not me. i shoot close to the same dope they do too.
 
#111
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

out of a 24" savage model 10
42gr varget under a 168hpbt. WLR primers and neck sized brass. Bit slow at just under 2500fps but extremly accruate at 100yds <.5moa
 
#112
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Benchshoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JasonYuke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5R Milspec 700

43.5 g of varget
175 SMK
Fed GM Brass
Fed GM primer
OAL 2.835
1to 1.5 Moa For every group of 5 shots unless I pull.Sure some are .5 some less but avg for 60 shots or 12 groups = 1 Moa

I believe you guys but i have no Idea how you are getting such good groups not out to the lands! My Milspec will not shoot sub moa at 2.800 oal!

Tikka Tactical
46.0 gr of BLC-2
Amax 178
Lapua Brass
Fed GM Primer
Oal 2.910

Shoots 1 moa at 100, 2 Moa at 300. for every 5 shot group </div></div>

What kind of optics are you using? </div></div>

VXIII Target 6x20 on the mil-spec and MK-4 on the Tikka

Can do better than that but Hell I am honest dont judge my groups on my best ones! Average them..
Yes both guns have shot .3s
 
#114
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Lumberjack,

41.5gr IMR4895
LC brass
WLR
Sierra 175gr MatchKing

42.2gr Varget
LC brass
WLR
Sierra 175gr MatchKing

39.5gr IMR3031
LC brass
WLR
Nosler 168gr Custom Competition

42.0gr TAC
LC Brass
CCI BR2
Sierra 175gr MatchKing

42.0gr TAC
LC brass
WLR
Hornady 168gr BTHP Match

Those should get you started.
 
#115
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rem 700 LTR factory 20" BBL.

ADI AR2208 45gr, batch #MEM4468.
Lapua brass.
WLR primer.
155gr Lapua Scenar.
OAL = same as GMM 168.
Chrony'ed at 2700 fps +/- 20 fps at 150' AMSL, 26 deg C day (rounds #226 through #236).
This load returns 0.5 MOA. Half a grain either way will blow the group out to MOA or worse...

When the last 195 loads are gone, I get to work up again with a new batch #.
crazy.gif

 
#116
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

AI-700 Custom - 26.5" McPhee Stainless Steel barrel, AMTU Contour, 1 in 11.3" Twist.

Case- Norm Match Trim 2.015", FL Sized for the first firing, then Neck sized.

Seating Depth - 2.800"

Powder H-Varget 45.0 grs.

Primer - Fed. 210M

Bullet - Sierra 175gr.SMK or Hornady 178gr. AMAX - Moly Coated

Velocity - 2720 fps

Target shot at 300 meters from the bench.Raining on that day.Squares are 1" squares. POI WAS 2" Low from POA........
300meterGroup4-16-2007002.jpg

300meterGroup4-16-2007003.jpg


SKBY.



 
#117
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Savage 10FP, Shilen Match-Select Barrel 1 in 10 twist,Choate Varmit stock, Timney trigger,Luepold 6.5-20x50 LRT in Luepold rings on 1pc base.

"match rounds" (i.e seeing how good it will do.)
46.3 gr BL-C(2)
Hornady Match Brass (sorted +/- .3 gr),trimmed,chamfered,primer pockets uniformed,flash hole deburred, necksized w/redding type "s" bushing die,
CCI br primers
168 gr A-Max (sorted +/- .1 gr)
2.855 OAL

"practice rounds"
same as above but w/FGMM or Winchester Brass w/o sorting of components.

I use this load out to 500 yards on paper, pop bottles and prariedogs, 800 yards on plate steel.

I know, someone will say 168's are a little much for p-dogs...The prarie dogs don't know any better... besides they can move the pop bottles just sit there.
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#123
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Just got my rifle back yesterday and tried it out.

44.9 W748
new unfired win brass
WLR primmer
2.8" OAL
175SMK
first got out my ammo must have still been warm or sun was changing my chrony results in the morning
2671 17sd 31es only 3rnds chrony pickup about .5" 7rnd group 7:45am
2607 13sd 34es got all 5rnds .6" 5 rnd group 8:45am

39deg F
21.75" rock 5R

 
#124
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

155g. scenar bullet
41.1 H322 powder
Rem 91/2 primer
Lapua twice fired brass.
Ogive aol: 2.20 (tip to base:2.9+)
24" Ai/Ae Vais brake
@mv2777 @45F, 150 elev.,
60%hum., sunny but 10-12 11o'clock wind.
grp measures .257
dnhv7r.jpg
 
#125
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

btw, pardon the duct tape; the wind kept blowing off the target using thumb tacks or staples.
Also, the rest was bench, bipod, bag, 22xNF/MLR rets.
Non-moly, neck sized, plane jane RCBS sizer /seater.
And I thank Hide member "Weda"; bought he AE from him recently. GTG.
19l6qx.jpg
 
#127
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D.J.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rem 700 LTR factory 20" BBL.

ADI AR2208 45gr, batch #MEM4468.
Lapua brass.
WLR primer.
155gr Lapua Scenar.
OAL = same as GMM 168.
Chrony'ed at 2700 fps +/- 20 fps at 150' AMSL, 26 deg C day (rounds #226 through #236).
This load returns 0.5 MOA. Half a grain either way will blow the group out to MOA or worse...

When the last 195 loads are gone, I get to work up again with a new batch #.
crazy.gif

</div></div>

And I did have to. The same load with batch #4557 returned groups around MOA. Backing off 0.3gr returned groups of 0.3-0.5 again. Same conditions, same MV, slightly less powder.
Go figure. I guess I will have to stock up on this batch.
 
#128
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Lapua Scenar 167gr
42.5gr IMR4895
CCI Large Rifle
Rem. Brass
2.820" OAL
1:10" Twist
~2700fps


Tested at 100 and 300 yards only ATM. Accuracy is on the par of the Scenar 155gr.
Wonder how no one seems to be using it, choosing the 155gr Scenar ...


 
#129
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Berger 175 VLD
43.6gr RL-15
Lapua brass
Fed 210 primer
2.165" Ogive
Vel=2624fps @ 48*F, SD=9.5, ES=29.5

Hornady 178 Amax
Lapua brass
Fed 210 primer
43.5gr RL-15
2.158" Ogive
Avg vel=2625fps @ 48*F

*Subsonic Load*
Hornady 180 RN
Federal brass
Fed 210 primer
8.6gr vv N320
2.650" OAL
Avg vel=1022fps @ 48*F

***New Load***
Lapua 155 Scenar
Lapua brass
Fed 210 primer
45.5gr H4895
2.185" Ogive
2971fps @ 95*F
sub MOA at 200yds


Shot through 95 Palma chambered 1:11" twist 24" Krieger bbl with SWR Omega suppressor attached(No free bore boost provided from can).
 
#131
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Scenar 155gr BC = 0.508
Scenar 167gr BC = 0.470

The estimated (QL) downrange velocity for both (with my loads) is above 1200fps at 100yrds.
I rarely shoot at 1000yrds though, since the range close to me is max 600yrds
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#132
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

For you hunters, here's some loads w/ 150gr Game Kings. So far, this bullet has been the most accurate out of my rifle.

All loads w/ Lapua brass. OAL measurement includes Sinclair Bullet Comparitor width. Subtract 1.0" for measurement to bullet ogive. Barrel is 22" #5 Krieger short throated to where I can reach the lands with most bullets at 2.8" OAL.

43-44grIMR-4895150grGameking.jpg


43gr IMR-4895 avg. 2704fps
43.5gr IMR-4895 avg 2739fps
44gr IMR-4895 avg 2791fps

445-45grIMR-4895150grGameking.jpg


44.5gr IMR-4895 avg 2810fps
45gr IMR-4895 avg 2850fps

150grGamekingR15445-455gr.jpg


Have not yet chronoed the R15 loads shown above.

4646.5grR15150grGameking.jpg


46gr R15 avg 2921fps
46.5gr R15 avg 2943fps

Hope these prove useful to someone. If anyone tries them, I would be very curious to see your results.

John
 
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#133
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I've been using the following load with excellent results.

-185grn Berger VLD's
-Winchester brass
-42.5grns of Varget
-CCI BR2 Primers

The bullets were seated to 3.145" using a bullet comparator, which was .005" into the lands on one of my rifles and .015" into the lands with another. The same load is .079" <span style="font-style: italic">off</span> the lands in member Joe_Stansbury's rifle. I should also add that this load is also mag length and feeds quite nicely from unmodified AICS mags.

The load runs 2590-2600fps in the 22" barrels that Joe and I have (95 Palma chamber in mine, I think Bisley in Joe's). I haven't chrono'd it yet out of my 18.5" barrel, which also has a 95 Palma chamber.

These are all 10 shot groups, except where noted because of a flyer-in which case there are 11 shots.

Joe's CCB shot is weird as hell being as far off as it is and his groups are to the right.
The groups from my 22" barrel are on the left and the group from my 18.5" barrel is in the middle.

GunsNstuff.jpg
 
#135
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I just worked up a Varget load that seems to be doing pretty well.

Federal standard brass
175 SMK
44.3 gr Varget
CCI BR2 primer
Loaded to mag length ~2.80 OAL

These are two 5 round groups, I'm shooting a factory PSS. Both were 5 round groups prone at 100 yards, the right group was right handed and the left group was left handed. I'm not quite sure why the left handed group was tighter. I've shot this load to 1K, it's still well under MOA at that range.

Vargetload.jpg



Previous loads that have shot well in this same rifle:

Lapua brass
175 SMK
43 gr. RL15
Fed 210M primer


Federal match brass
168 SMK
45.5 gr Varget
CCI BR2 primer


LC standard brass
165 Sierra HPBT Gameking
45.5 gr. H380
Winchester primer
*This load was made for an inexpensive, easily loaded practice round for the 168 SMK load. It was just as accurate and shot to the same POI to 300 yards, I never tried it farther. It was a suprising load, with cheap brass and powder dumped from a powder measure.
 
#138
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rifle: Accuracy International AE
BBl: 24”

1.
Bullet: 155 Scenar
Brass: Lapua
Cond’n: Unfired
Primer: CCI BR2
Pwdr: H322
Grs: 41.1
Seated: .006 into the lands
Sinclair Comparator: 2.140
OAL: 2.875
Temp: 37
Vel Avg of 5 rounds: 2750fps
ES: 16
SD: 8
Pressure signs: None
Accuracy 5 shot groups: Sub .3 MOA to 300 meters
Accuracy 3 shot groups: Sub .2 MOA to 200 meters
Notes: Good all-around low recoil high accuracy / supersonic at 1000
Avg group:
155Scenars.jpg


2.
Bullet: 155 Scenar
Brass: Lapua
Cond’n: Unfired
Primer: CCI BR2
Pwdr: H322
Grs: 42.6
Seated: To the lands
Sinclair Comparator: 2.135
OAL: 2.869
Temp: 34
Vel Avg of 5 rounds: 2840fps
ES: 19
SD: 8
Pressure signs: Flattened primers / slight primer flow around pin hole
Accuracy 5 shot groups: Sub .3 MOA to 200 meters
Notes: Looks promising for a Moly load

3.
Bullet: 155 Scenar
Brass: Lapua
Cond’n: Unfired
Primer: CCI BR2
Pwdr: Varget
Grs: 45.6
Seated: .009 from the lands
Sinclair Comparator: 2.125
OAL: 2.860
Temp: 40
Vel Avg of 5 rounds: 2825fps
ES: 53
SD: 29
Pressure signs: None
Accuracy 5 shot groups: Sub .5 MOA to 200 meters

4.
Bullet: 155 Scenar
Brass: Lapua
Cond’n: Unfired
Primer: CCI BR2
Pwdr: RE15
Grs: 46.2
Seated: .009 from the lands
Sinclair Comparator: 2.125
OAL: 2.860
Temp: 40
Vel Avg of 5 rounds: 2875fps
ES: 25
SD: 12
Pressure signs: None
Accuracy 5 shot groups: Sub .5 MOA to 200 meters

5.
Bullet: 175 JLK VLD
Brass: Lapua
Cond’n: Unfired
Primer: CCI BR2
Pwdr: Varget
Grs: 43.0
Seated: .003 into the lands
Sinclair Comparator: 2.135
OAL: 2.925
Temp: 32
Vel Avg of 5 rounds: 2575fps
ES: 35
SD: 14
Pressure signs: None
Accuracy 5 shot groups: Sub .3 MOA
Accuracy 3 shot groups: Sub .2 MOA
Notes: Good all-around low recoil high accuracy / supersonic at 1000 in summer
Avg group:
JLKs-1.jpg


6.
Bullet: 175 JLK VLD
Brass: Lapua
Cond’n: Unfired
Primer: CCI BR2
Pwdr: Varget
Grs: 44.0
Seated: .003 into the lands
Sinclair Comparator: 2.135
OAL: 2.925
Temp: 36
Vel Avg of 5 rounds: 2650fps
ES: 26
SD: 11
Pressure signs: None
Accuracy 5 shot groups: Sub .4 at 100 meters
Accuracy 3 shot groups: Sub .3 at 100 meters

7.
Bullet: 175 JLK VLD
Brass: Lapua
Cond’n: Unfired
Primer: CCI BR2
Pwdr: Varget
Grs: 45.0
Seated: .003 into the lands
Sinclair Comparator: 2.135
OAL: 2.925
Temp: 36
Vel Avg of 5 rounds: 2700fps
ES: 33
SD: 13
Pressure signs: Slightly flattened primers.
Accuracy 5 shot groups: Sub .4 at 100 meters
Accuracy 3 shot groups: Sub .3 at 100 meters
Notes: Most consistently accurate 175 JLK load tested
Avg group:
450Varget.jpg
 
#141
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Hi,
I have been shooting with 155 scenar & 168 w/Varget all this time @ distances between 100 to 600 yds.

what advantage is there, or does it make a difference going with a bigger bullet? ex: 175 ~ 180? what changes?

thanks for taking my stupid questions....
 
#142
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sotexhunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Crusader
1-11.25 Bartlien
22inch
155 Scenar (naked)
2.830
Lapua brass
RL15
45.9 grains
210M
I am getting 2940fps and 1/4 inch groups.
</div></div>
You must have a fast barrel or fast brass maybe a fast chronograph, because this velocity out of a 22" barrel is out this world. With only 45.9 of RL15, I'd love to see it for sure.
 
#143
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pottymouth 310</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi,
I have been shooting with 155 scenar & 168 w/Varget all this time @ distances between 100 to 600 yds.

what advantage is there, or does it make a difference going with a bigger bullet? ex: 175 ~ 180? what changes?

thanks for taking my stupid questions.... </div></div>

"Usually" heavier means better BC. But the 155 scenar has almost identical BC to the 175. So it has all the advantages of the heavy bullet, plus a higher muzzle velocity which means even less drop/drift than the 175. Only downside is they dont shoot great in everyones rifle because COAL may require the round to be too long to fit in a magazine. If you're shooting 155's well, stick with em. Many have been moving away from 168- they were "the" standard for many years, but tend to go transonic before 1k. 175 stays supersonic and higher BC make it better at bucking wind than 168. 155 with same BC as 175 is even better.

Some shoot 178amax and others because of decent performance and lower cost. Also some load for hunting instead of target, so bullet choice is different.
 
#144
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

savage 10fp 24" barrel
5 shots-100yds
LC fired brass,full length resized
46grns Reloder-15
155 grn hornady A-max
winchester primers
don't have a chrony sorry
measure is actual width,converts to .402



 
#145
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

PaulT, I didn't forget:

Below pic is 700 yard group with 175 JLK's .003 into the lands and 45.0 Varget, CCI BR2's and once-fired Lapua brass. This load gives me 2700fps at 35 degrees, 2725fps at 45 degrees, and 2735fps at 70 degrees.

It also shot a .55 MOA 3-shot group at 1000; but the fourth and fifth shots opened it up to .9 MOA.

AE700yards.jpg
 
#146
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Same load as above [175 JLK, 45.0 Varget, .003 into the lands]. Stopped by the range this morning with my AE. Wind was from 11 o'clock at zero gusting 12. Had five rounds with me. Set a target at 500 meters. Dialed my actual 500 meter dope: 3.4 Mils. Added .3 Mils left wind. Fired one dirty Cold Bore (Cold Bore always impacts low from this rifle); then a 3-shot group. Dialed back to my 100 zero, fired the fifth round to confirm, then went to work. Below pic is 500 meter 3-shot group of .15 MOA. With the cold bore included it is .42 MOA. Turns out that I only needed .1 windage. Tom Irwin and Swampy: Ok. I admit it. You guys know what you are doing. AE owners: Maybe try this load for a long-range load.

500175s.jpg
 
#147
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I just worked up these two loads for my newest .308 build, one for target practice, one for varmints:

178 A-Max
Black Hill/Winchester Brass
45.0 Varget
WLR Primer
OAL = 2.845"
MV = 2750 fps

110 V-Max
Black Hills/Winchester Brass
45.0 IMR 3031
WLR Primer
OAL = 2.77"
MV = 3297 fps

All I can say is that this new Rock barrel is fast, really fast. Somehow I picked up 70 fps from my last Rock barrel when I was using 175 SMK's with the same load of Varget and the same primers. Also the reloading manuals were telling me that I would need 48+ grains of IMR 3031 to get 3200+ fps..obviously that's the case with this rifle so that was a pleasant surprise.
 
#150
Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Belisarius</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sotexhunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Crusader
1-11.25 Bartlien
22inch
155 Scenar (naked)
2.830
Lapua brass
RL15
45.9 grains
210M
I am getting 2940fps and 1/4 inch groups.
</div></div>
You must have a fast barrel or fast brass maybe a fast chronograph, because this velocity out of a 22" barrel is out this world. With only 45.9 of RL15, I'd love to see it for sure.</div></div>

8.2 mils to 1000yds. If your in the area your more than welcome to come watch or bring a gun.
 
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