Bully f*cks around with Jesse Pinkman and finds out

George Zimmerman started it too…

Big people like that are dangerous, especially when you’re as small as the shooter. Good shoot.

I disagree with George Zimmerman “starting” it. George Zimmerman certainly didn’t say he was going to knock out Trayvon and if he had, I think that would‘ve changed things.

Would it still be a good shoot, in your estimation, if the roles were reversed?
 
What do you mean?

- If the big guy had told the little guy he was going to knock him out.
- Altercation moves to parking lot.
- Little guy approaches, menacingly yelling at the big guy to do it.
- Big guy’s friends step out of the car.
- Little guy continues to berate big guy, who is just smiling and nodding at him.
- Little guy shoves big guy with one hand.
- Big guy stops smiling, draws gun, little guy jumps at him going for the gun.
- Big guy starts shooting little guy and continues to as little guy runs away.

Something I like to do in these situations, mentally, is reverse the roles. Exact 180* opposite. Helps remove clouds for me.
 
In the above scenario, I would have some questions for the big guy (shooter).
- Was he assaulting motorists in traffic?
- If so, why?
- Why did he get out of the car?
- Why didn’t he try to deescalate the situation when his friends did?
- Did he ever ask the man to stop accosting him, or back up?
- Did he ever try to leave the situation or area?
- Did he ever identify himself as armed or inform the man of his willingness to defend himself?
- Where did he go when he walked past the little guy he just shot?
 
+1 to beanies and parkas. And is that grandma’s old accord with some rims? 😂 Driver kept calling the big fella “sir”. Seriously 😂.

The big fella seems to be alluding to the shooter saying he was gonna knock him out. Not sure that really matters. I’d also like to know what the driver moved the Mexican out of the way to grab. Another weapon in the back seat? Whatever it was he quit going for it the minute those shots started. Looks like a couple of milk toast wannabe gangsters stumbled into an actual fight, ran out of herbal courage, and the one from the broken home went hot.
Fathead told Jessie 'Do it! DO IT!'

Jessie did it.

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- If the big guy had told the little guy he was going to knock him out.
- Altercation moves to parking lot.
- Little guy approaches, menacingly yelling at the big guy to do it.
- Big guy’s friends step out of the car.
- Little guy continues to berate big guy, who is just smiling and nodding at him.
- Little guy shoves big guy with one hand.
- Big guy stops smiling, draws gun, little guy jumps at him going for the gun.
- Big guy starts shooting little guy and continues to as little guy runs away.

Something I like to do in these situations, mentally, is reverse the roles. Exact 180* opposite. Helps remove clouds for me.
It would still be a good shoot to me.
 
Actually they do get bonuses giving out DUIs in some places. They also get paid "overtime" here for doing DUI patrols. That was anytime they wanted to work between 10pm and 6am was paid double time.

Protect people. 🤣🤣🤣 you should have Polyanna for your avatar.
Overtime is for the job. They could also get overtime for working on a drug raid. An investigator can get paid overtime for interviewing people about a murder.

So, go ahead and cite some actual cases where a cop got a specific bonus in his check for a DUI arrest and it was listed that way.

And surely as the sun rose, so did the ad hominem. Not even a challenge.
 
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Ability, Opportunity, and Jeopardy. Did the attacker create all three elements which are needed to legally justify a shooting? My opinion, which is worth what you paid, is that Yes all three were met.

I was always taught to retreat in these situations and quite frankly, to never put myself in those positions. Something to be said for staying in your own lane, on the road and in life.

But, at the point in the beginning of the video, where the yelling starts, it could be argued that "Jesse" couldn't safely retreat without turning his back to the fat man and putting himself in grave danger, forcing his hand. Further, he was not the driver and did not have the ability to drive himself away.

In regards to disparity of force, that guy is almost two of Jesse. He had the ability to seriously injure that young man, the ferocity of the shove proves how powerful he is relative to "Jesse". That same push would barely move someone of equal size. Which also checks the opportunity element.

And yes, I would say that fat man is acting in a manner consistent with someone looking to inflict bodily harm. So it appears all three elements were met for a legal shooting.

The issue as others have stated are the shots to the back. Were they necessary? Had the threat ended by the time the back shots were fired?

Lots of questions from this short video. FWIW, I thought he flipped off the person in the black Nissan that drove away. And even though that wasn't true, Jesse walked and acted like he just validated himself and was super proud. Not a good look.

What no one likely told Jesse is that even if he is legally justified he will likely have to go through hell because of this. He will likely be arrested and booked, photoed-fingerprinted, locked in a cell, and in general treated like a POS criminal.

He will be in the newspaper, on social media, and possibly on the TV news. People will start threads on Snipershide and thousands will see the video and hundreds of responses will be generated.

His boss will find out and possibly fire him, it happens.

Will his GF/wife stick around for his trial when he is sinking all his money into paying for lawyers, stressed-out, and facing prison time?

He will 100% be sued in civil court by this man's family which will require he hire an attorney which will cost thousands of dollars he won't be able to get back with the possibility of being financially bankrupt for life.

Will he have PTSD?

Did the fatman have children, a wife he supported? Was he caring for an elderly parent? Did he have any value to society?

For these reasons and more, I always say retreat if possible and equally important, don't seek out these situations. Because ultimately, it's not worth the hassle! And to those who say this is a cowardly way to act, these lessons were taught to me over a lifetime by men who have had the country's highest level of military training and have put that training to work--in other words not cowards.
 
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Ability, Opportunity, and Jeopardy. Did the attacker create all three elements which are needed to legally justify a shooting? My opinion, which is worth what you paid, is that Yes all three were met.

I was always taught to retreat in these situations and quite frankly, to never put myself in those positions. Something to be said for staying in your own lane, on the road and in life.

But, at the point in the beginning of the video, where the yelling starts, it could be argued that "Jesse" couldn't safely retreat without turning his back to the fat man and putting himself in grave danger, forcing his hand. Further, he was not the driver and did not have the ability to drive himself away.

In regards to disparity of force, that guy is almost two of Jesse. He had the ability to seriously injure that young man, the ferocity of the shove proves how powerful he is relative to "Jesse". That same push would barely move someone of equal size. Which also checks the opportunity element.

And yes, I would say that fat man is acting in a manner consistent with someone looking to inflict bodily harm. So it appears all three elements were met for a legal shooting.

The issue as others have stated are the shots to the back. Were they necessary? Had the threat ended by the time the back shots were fired?

Lots of questions from this short video. FWIW, I thought he flipped off the person in the black Nissan that drove away. And even though that wasn't true, Jesse walked and acted like he just validated himself and was super proud. Not a good look.

What no one likely told Jesse is that even if he is legally justified he will likely have to go through hell because of this. He will likely be arrested and booked, photoed-fingerprinted, locked in a cell, and in general treated like a POS criminal.

He will be in the newspaper, on social media, and possibly on the TV news. People will start threads on Snipershide and thousands will see the video and hundreds of responses will be generated.

His boss will find out and possibly fire him, it happens.

Will his GF/wife stick around for his trial when he is sinking all his money into paying for lawyers, stressed-out, and facing prison time?

He will 100% be sued in civil court by this man's family which will require he hire an attorney which will cost thousands of dollars he won't be able to get back with the possibility of being financially bankrupt for life.

Will he have PTSD?

Did the fatman have children, a wife he supported? Was he caring for an elderly parent? Did he have any value to society?

For these reasons and more, I always say retreat if possible and equally important, don't seek out these situations. Because ultimately, it's not worth the hassle! And to those who say this is a cowardly way to act, these lessons were taught to me over a lifetime by men who have had the country's highest level of military training and have put that training to work.
TL : DR You might have the right to the hill- and thus, the moral high ground- but is it the hill that you- metaphorically- want to die upon?
 
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Overtime is for working over a certain amount of hours in pay period or single day. Getting paid double time anytime they said they were out shaking people down late at night or sleeping in their squad car is not that.

You want copies of pay stubs or what? LOL

You pretending you know how it is everywhere is about as silly as your false premise that laws protect people. Laws do not protect people, laws are punitive.
Overtime is for the job. They could also get overtime for working on a drug raid. An investigator can get paid overtime for interviewing people about a murder.

So, go ahead and cite some actual cases where a cop got a specific bonus in his check for a DUI arrest and it was listed that way.

And surely as the sun rose, so did the ad hominem. Not even a challenge.
Also for it to be "ad hominem" I would have had to not address your arguments, and just make fun of you.
 
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The bully was about 350 lbs, Jesse about 150. 5 shots in about 1.5 seconds. It is not like he walked over and did an execution shot. I think he will skate, despite the hand gesture to the people in the car.
 
I don't give a fuck if you call me names, yell at me, say my mom likes bigfatcock or whatever, yell mean words all you want.

As soon as you escalate into some sort of aggravated assault like fathead did, that crosses the line and you get what you get. Its clear fathead wanted to cause bodily harm.

 
Overtime is for working over a certain amount of hours in pay period or single day. Getting paid double time anytime they said they were out shaking people down late at night or sleeping in their squad car is not that.

You want copies of pay stubs or what? LOL

You pretending you know how it is everywhere is about as silly as your false premise that laws protect people. Laws do not protect people, laws are punitive.

Also for it to be "ad hominem" I would have had to not address your arguments, and just make fun of you.
And as I said, many is the police detective who has worked overtime on a homicide investigation, such as a good friend of mine who is a retired NYC police detective. And it was not called a "bonus" for solving the case. It was called overtime because the job went past regular hours. To call that a bonus for solving a homicide is in no way accurate. In the same vein, it is also not accurate to say a cop got a bonus for a DUI arrest because he worked overtime at the time of the arrest. Or the stop started near end of shift and he had to work to finish the processing.

And so, since you cannot produce actual evidence of bonus pay for DUI arrests, I cannot accept your statement that such a thing happens. So, it is a theory you have with no evidence to support it.

So, sling another ad hominem and call me another name.
 
And as I said, many is the police detective who has worked overtime on a homicide investigation, such as a good friend of mine who is a retired NYC police detective. And it was not called a "bonus" for solving the case. It was called overtime because the job went past regular hours. To call that a bonus for solving a homicide is in no way accurate. In the same vein, it is also not accurate to say a cop got a bonus for a DUI arrest because he worked overtime at the time of the arrest. Or the stop started near end of shift and he had to work to finish the processing.

And so, since you cannot produce actual evidence of bonus pay for DUI arrests, I cannot accept your statement that such a thing happens. So, it is a theory you have with no evidence to support it.

So, sling another ad hominem and call me another name.
Can you show me any actual evidence of this retied NYC detective and his overtime pay? I am skeptical of your story and can't accept it without evidence. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: I am kidding I don't care at all.

Not sure why you thought I cared if you publicly accept it. I bet dollars to donuts you know it is true.

Or maybe you are playing a semantics game, "their pay checks didn't say "bonus for DUI arrests."

Ad hominem is not name calling.

Either way. Back on subject. Cracker ass gang bangers, vs the vanilla gorilla.
 
I know a couple of retired NYC dicks. I've heard their stories of walking around gunshows watching for guys buying anything handgun related. They would follow them out and have a patrol unit "find" a reason to stop them so they could search for illegal handguns. Dicks indeed.
 
That ain't no shit. A buddy got pulled over for a DWI in Austin. The bond was $3,000.00 for the DWI + $5,000.00 for the fact he had a 1911 truck gun, or 'unlawful carry' because he was drunk.

They reduced the DWI charge to blocking a public road, (even though Antifa can do it in Austin and nobody does squat) and dropped the UC charge but told him he wasn't getting his custom 1911 back, no way no how. I'm sure a cop own that gun now.
Was this in Mexico? Seems to track with how things go down there with the ‘police’.
 
Can you show me any actual evidence of this retied NYC detective and his overtime pay? I am skeptical of your story and can't accept it without evidence. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: I am kidding I don't care at all.

Not sure why you thought I cared if you publicly accept it. I bet dollars to donuts you know it is true.

Or maybe you are playing a semantics game, "their pay checks didn't say "bonus for DUI arrests."

Ad hominem is not name calling.

Either way. Back on subject. Cracker ass gang bangers, vs the vanilla gorilla.
Standard reply from someone who can produce no results. But, agreed, this horse is dead.
 
Pueblo West is not Pueblo.
Where do you think everyone in that interaction came from? Those were probably some preppy "Pueblo West" kids in the 800 dollar car at the dispensary....Huh? Looks like vehicles you expect to see at half million dollar homes. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

BTW-No one cares you guys think you aren't Pueblo because it takes 3 minutes to drive between the two. Sure Arvada isn't Denver either, but no one cares.