As a kid in the 50's & early 60's you could believe most people & the news, be it

[Gunfighter14e2]

print or RF (TV & Radio) as most never had a agenda. Now you can't even believe your eyes to a point and it seems most everything is a lie for views/clicks. At some point this B/S will end but,... what will replace it?

Most everything I read or hear is nothing but a lie when I talk to folks via Radio, in near/far away places that were there, or know trusted types that were there. Then weeks/months or year later a retraction that you have to have a 100X micro scope to see, or a monster pre-amp to hear is placed in a shit stain, most never see or hear. If the goal is to start WWIII or CW II just start that shit and see if ends in a way that's to your liking.
It's long past time to cut out tongues or chop fingers off.

 

[sloporsche]

People suck been like that for centuries but its more out in the open ,gonna stay like that until we learn to be civil or they invent the chill pill for all . Work hard make lottsa money ,move to a safe neighborhood when the hoodrats start getting close move again . Take time off from any news stations ....you are not missing anything ....if ya see your neighbors running around like crazy check in . Enjoy your friends and family

 

[W54/XM-388]

print or RF (TV & Radio) as most never had a agenda.

It was always propaganda and public control.
Just back in the 50s and 60s it was more tightly controlled and more plausible and "professionals" did a much better job of pretending to be "professional".

Also folks that grew up around then or before were often very naive and trusted the government and the various official mouthpieces.
There also wasn't a whole lot of ways you could actually go verify for yourself if something was true or talk to folks at the location.

Also to an extent when there was often a single or dual monopoly on "news", they didn't really have to compete for interest, loyalty or views, they were it and tough luck if you wanted something different.
Once they started having to compete, it became essentially fear porn instead of news.

Of course Propaganda had it's golden bright dawn in the 1910s through the 1940s when any questioning of the "official news" was dealt with by Uniform Hangers with guns.

Now it's just that propaganda, public opinion control and disinformation is essentially democratized so every idiot or various splinter group or person with money or fame can get in on the action. The government no longer needs to send Uniform Hangers to deal with "those that have questions", they just tell big corporations to essentially ruin their lives, shun, shame and silence them.

 

[rtB]

Samuel Clemens (1835-1910)

If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.

Also:

Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.

 

[mi650]

Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in America.

 

[theLBC]

traffic, weather and local events is really all i feel like i can trust.

everything else be slanted.

 

[hankpac]

print or RF (TV & Radio) as most never had a agenda. Now you can't even believe your eyes to a point and it seems most everything is a lie for views/clicks. At some point this B/S will end but,... what will replace it?

Most everything I read or hear is nothing but a lie when I talk to folks via Radio, in near/far away places that were there, or know trusted types that were there. Then weeks/months or year later a retraction that you have to have a 100X micro scope to see, or a monster pre-amp to hear is placed in a shit stain, most never see or hear. If the goal is to start WWIII or CW II just start that shit and see if ends in a way that's to your liking.
It's long past time to cut out tongues or chop fingers off.

I grew up in the same era. Pres Eisenhower, and on. Even my grandparents told me, “believe half of what you see, some or none of what you hear.” .

 

[Ronws]

Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in America.

Beat me to it. Cronkite was the most trusted newsman and a lying sack of shit.

The media has always lied and usually in lock-step with dems.

A good read is the "Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War."

We were invited into Laos and Cambodia to help fight off the commies who were helping and being helped by the NVA and Viet Cong. But the media would make a big deal about it. So, my friend Lee was usually on assignment on the laotian-cambodian border (spent 3 Christmases there) taking out commie camps and tunnels. The media and dems would ramp up their horseshit.

He would exfil and go back to Da Nang. Nixon would come on and say "We are not in Laos. We are not in Cambodia."

Then the media and dem horseshit would die down and back to the border my friend would go. Lee had joined the SEALs for the reason almost all of them recite. "To blow shit up."

My favorite author was Robert Heinlein. He and his wife, Virginia, would travel. Even in Russia. She spoke and understood Russian. So, they could understand what people were saying, not what they were saying to English speakers. Remember the fighter jet that was shot down? The official story was a lie.

In fact, at about 8 significant events that made it to an issue of Time Magazine, not a single report matched what the Heinleins experienced or saw.

So, neutral journalism is a rarity, indeed.

 

[ggmanning]

I get my news here and select podcasts. Haven't watched a legacy media channel in years. They are all trash.

 

[LRRPF52]

print or RF (TV & Radio) as most never had a agenda. Now you can't even believe your eyes to a point and it seems most everything is a lie for views/clicks. At some point this B/S will end but,... what will replace it?

Most everything I read or hear is nothing but a lie when I talk to folks via Radio, in near/far away places that were there, or know trusted types that were there. Then weeks/months or year later a retraction that you have to have a 100X micro scope to see, or a monster pre-amp to hear is placed in a shit stain, most never see or hear. If the goal is to start WWIII or CW II just start that shit and see if ends in a way that's to your liking.
It's long past time to cut out tongues or chop fingers off.

It was all BS back then too for the most part.

Any media was being used for advertising in the US since the 1800s. Mark Twain already said all you really need to know about “the news”.

“He who doesn’t read the newspaper is uninformed. He who reads the newspaper is misinformed."

In the US, it has always been driven by larger business interests who just want your attention so they can sell space for their advertisers.

In Europe, it was Soviet propaganda disguised as “International Journalists”, hence all the anti-nuke, anti-US sentiment that filled the pages of popular European papers, magazines, TV, and Radio. Their local news was just as unprofessional, inaccurate, cumbersome, and laughable.

 

[Maser]

Hate to burst your bubble, but yellow journalism has been around for as long as journalism has been.

 

[david walter]

Change the server location on your VPN and Google a news item and see how others perceive the news.

Eye opening.

 

[Bullfrog08]

Anyone still watching any legacy news source is very ignorant or very stupid. There are plenty of places to get news and entertainment. When you watch them, they sell ads. Stop watching and they will go away!

Same applies to Disney, Paramount, HBO, Netflix, etc.

When the boomers are all dead, so is legacy TV.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Guess I grew up on a different planet, from most here.
We farmed for a living in north central Indiana and everyone around could be trusted, to include print media, back then. Never watched TV much, but the radio on the tractor fender was always on, even sometimes when the tractor was not working, albeit playing country music or R&R from WLS in Chicago.
It was in late 64 when I entered the Army that I got my first real dose of lies and B/S agendas from many. The longer time has gone on the worst it seems to have got, and now its completely out of control. To the point I don't trust or believe anyone I don't know, and many I do know I watch like a hawk. This is all going to end badly at some point, if we don't start cutting out tongues & chopping off fingers,... intense pain or death is a solution that works every time.

 

[mosin46]

i grew up in the 50s/60s. my parents and almost everyone we knew did believe the big 3 and newspapers. there was no real variation until VN got to the front of the coverage. race and women's lib were added in after about 66 (?). there was really no alternatives. nobody read Clemens except as Twain and Mencken was an unknown by most,as was Butler. the 1st real alt views were by Goldwater and the early libertarians. the schools pretty much followed the mainstream.
like most here,i believe almost nothing any more. i doubt even those who i essentially agree with. seems like any info source has an obscure agenda.

 

[nagantguy]

Yes yes in the “good old” days you could trust them while spayed you with DDT. Get the fuck outta here with that boomer shit .

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Laughing,... DDT is/was nothing, well save the lawyers trying to make bank on it,.. Is roundup still being sold? 2/4/D, wasn't all that bad but its derivative 2/4/5/T, was something else, but it did remove a chess piece from the board. Love how its always the boomers fault, but there is that whole, small minds never think for their selves,... thing.

 

[Ronws]

I think it is just a matter of perspective. The media has always been lying sacks of shit. But they also controlled how information was dispersed.

Now, with phones and everyone shooting video and blathering on X, IG, and Rumble, the curtain is back and you see the cretin behind the curtain.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in America.

Walter Crapkite was a lying piece of shit first, last and always. Even back in the day CBS was referred to as the Communist Broadcasting System.

General Sherman commented that the Confederates did not need spies in his camp they had reporters who would gladly betray his men for a story. Nothing has changed since.

 

[hankpac]

Laughing,... DDT is/was nothing, well save the lawyers trying to make bank on it,.. Is roundup still being sold? 2/4/D, wasn't all that bad but its derivative 2/4/5/T, was something else, but it did remove a chess piece from the board. Love how its always the boomers fault, but there is that whole, small minds never think for their selves,... thing.

Yes, as a matter of fact, it is still sold. Without the Dioxin, so they say.
2,4,5,t might still be used in the UK.

 

[Edsel]

As a kid in the 50's & early 60's you could believe most people & the news

Absolutely not.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Absolutely not.

The probability that was true in big city's (aka Blue shit holes) or their influenced A/O's back then, might have been high. However that was NOT true in most of America, as many of us who entered military service in the mid 60s were shocked at the lies and agendas we were suddenly exposed to in those days,... ect. Gary Indiana, Chicago, Detroit Michigan all had the rep, of leach fields for the septic tank type leadership they had, even back then. They had little influence past their borders in those days but they were the breeding grounds of the present day FSA & leftest B/S. Even back then,... we called them fake Americans, who were always trying to suck milk and eat stake, for free. Even at that, most wanted to be paid to do as well.

 

[nagantguy]

The probability that was true in big city's (aka Blue shit holes) or their influenced A/O's back then, might have been high. However that was NOT true in most of America, as many of us who entered military service in the mid 60s were shocked at the lies and agendas we were suddenly exposed to in those days,... ect. Gary Indiana, Chicago, Detroit Michigan all had the rep, of leach fields for the septic tank type leadership they had, even back then. They had little influence past their borders in those days but they were the breeding grounds of the present day FSA & leftest B/S. Even back then,... we called them fake Americans, who were always trying to suck milk and eat stake, for free. Even at that, most wanted to be paid to do as well.

Dude put down the weed - Vietnam , Kennedy, MKUltra , Gulf of Tonkin, Most of what was happening in Korea from 51-53 .
Giving STDs and radiation to black and brown people just because , the scrubbing of all the giant mounds skeletons and coined money from the Smithsonian.

It’s all always been a crock of shit - only difference was we had a high trust society before the boomers came into power and fought harder to keep the cabin by the lake and the boat then they did for their kids during divorce number 3 .

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Dude put down the weed - Vietnam , Kennedy, MKUltra , Gulf of Tonkin, Most of what was happening in Korea from 51-53 .
Giving STDs and radiation to black and brown people just because , the scrubbing of all the giant mounds skeletons and coined money from the Smithsonian.

It’s all always been a crock of shit - only difference was we had a high trust society before the boomers came into power and fought harder to keep the cabin by the lake and the boat then they did for their kids during divorce number 3 .

Shut up and get back to work pay that SS tax.
I need the money season 4 of Matlock on DVD

 

[nagantguy]

But the food pyramid- now that was good sound science there !

And are you talking g about the new Matlock where Matlock is a fat bitch?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Dude put down the weed - Vietnam , Kennedy, MKUltra , Gulf of Tonkin, Most of what was happening in Korea from 51-53 .
Giving STDs and radiation to black and brown people just because , the scrubbing of all the giant mounds skeletons and coined money from the Smithsonian.

It’s all always been a crock of shit - only difference was we had a high trust society before the boomers came into power and fought harder to keep the cabin by the lake and the boat then they did for their kids during divorce number 3 .

Laughing,... Boomer this Boomer that, same old story of/with those who always look for nothing but fault like you do with cops. Easy to point fingers, harder to change what you perceive is wrong, like many here have all their lives.

 

[nagantguy]

Oka

Laughing,... Boomer this Boomer that, same old story of/with those who always look for nothing but fault like you do with cops. Easy to point fingers, harder to change what you perceive is wrong, like many here have all their lives.

y you win everything they said when you were a young’un was 100% and holy - even the mercury fillings in your teeth being safe and effective.

You were born at high cotton - and fucked it all to death for everyone else .

But yep if you believed the news growing up good on ya - Andy and Barney down to the Dillon’ station having a Cherry soda and if ya needed em you could just have Sara ring em up at Gobbers place .

And Oswald acted alone and Gulf of Tonkin was 100% real act of war . Carry on

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Oka

y you win everything they said when you were a young’un was 100% and holy - even the mercury fillings in your teeth being safe and effective.

You were born at high cotton - and fucked it all to death for everyone else .

But yep if you believed the news growing up good on ya - Andy and Barney down to the Dillon’ station having a Cherry soda and if ya needed em you could just have Sara ring em up at Gobbers place .

And Oswald acted alone and Gulf of Tonkin was 100% real act of war . Carry on

Laughing,
Never said agendas were not present, as they were starting mid 60s on,... like I stated. You seem to be one of those who always believe what you what to believe and never dig into the story past the opening salvo. This is really prevalent in many of your, all cops are bad posts. News flash, no matter the profession, there are assholes in them all who are either self spotlighting, for up the ladder or hip national. That is the trued blue (leftest) American way and has been for many years. Another trait of the left is to demonize XYZ profession/s to try and sway none thinking types into believing said profession is the cause of all ills. Nice try but no cigar,...

 

[nagantguy]

The way it was

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

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The way it was

Nice try, and thanks for proving my point as to what you're about, here.
Try to listen to the song "We Want America Back" by the Steels with and open mind, you might understand what American life was once in this country outside of big shit holes, no matter the state. It even makes reference to the Andy Griffith Show. Hard to find your path in life with blinders of any color on and not thinking for yourself.
Is there trash in the human race? Bet your ass, always has been, and the public furthers their agenda as it does not have the balls or tits to deal with it in a way that stops it cold.

 

[nagantguy]

So your saying it WAS great then limber dick cocksuckers your (assuming you are from the great baby boom)age came of age and fucking destroyed everything- 5-6 presidents, all senators and SCOUTS justices all heads of Fortune 500 companies ect. All fuckers from the baby boom - thank you guys you were great stewards. Rock on !

Still waiting g to hear what them “conservatives” from middle America ever conserved.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

So your saying it WAS great then limber dick cocksuckers your (assuming you are from the great baby boom)age came of age and fucking destroyed everything- 5-6 presidents, all senators and SCOUTS justices all heads of Fortune 500 companies ect. All fuckers from the baby boom - thank you guys you were great stewards. Rock on !

Still waiting g to hear what them “conservatives” from middle America ever conserved.

Typical reply from a none thinker, lump everything into one bag, shake it up and assume that all are the same now. The clueless never seem to amaze. Per your logic, the founders were stupid for not having a KOS check list, that anyone could carry out with immunity should the target meet XX percentage of the requirements.

 

[nagantguy]

Lump everything together? Fucking for real - you categorically said one could trust everyone and everything over two entire decades .
If you are a boomer I’d be upset to now that it’s so clear how hard you’re fucked everyone - even forcing everyone to get an experimental vaccine/ death shot .
None thinker - man it must hurt to be that blind - Ever heard of Lookout Mountian? Read about that and tell me how good government: media was in the 50/60’s .
I’ve listed like 25 tho gs that disprove your utopian theory on that time frame ; didn’t live it still know more about it then you - how is that none thinking ?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Lump everything together? Fucking for real - you categorically said one could trust everyone and everything over two entire decades .

Adding ones own words was never allowed in reading comprehension that I know of,... Seems you have issue understanding the word "Most",... never ever includes or means "All". Try reading slower, see if that helps.

 

[nagantguy]

Adding ones own words was never allowed in reading comprehension that I know of,... Seems you have issue understanding the word "Most",... never ever includes or means "All". Try reading slower, see if that helps.

So something someone said at one time in your magical boomerville was the truth , so no waste rape spending and lies matter cause tv shows were good and the news lied to you for your own good .

I’ve got it now forget everything I said up till this point - it was great and perfect u til the first boomer took the oath of public office then fuckedville

 

[mkollman74]

print or RF (TV & Radio) as most never had a agenda. Now you can't even believe your eyes to a point and it seems most everything is a lie for views/clicks. At some point this B/S will end but,... what will replace it?

Most everything I read or hear is nothing but a lie when I talk to folks via Radio, in near/far away places that were there, or know trusted types that were there. Then weeks/months or year later a retraction that you have to have a 100X micro scope to see, or a monster pre-amp to hear is placed in a shit stain, most never see or hear. If the goal is to start WWIII or CW II just start that shit and see if ends in a way that's to your liking.
It's long past time to cut out tongues or chop fingers off.

I (very) respectfully disagree. Sounds a bit nostalgic. Walter Kronkite, for example, was as crooked as a dog's hind leg. There was just no one to call him on it. The press ignored FDR's physical limitations and JFK's sexual predation - just for two obvious examples. Then, there is the Gulf of Tonkin, etc. ...

 

[Edsel]

We do tend to wax lyrical of the past and see it through rose - colored glasses.

The delusion is similar to our view of ourselves, exemplified by the content of the image up there.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

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We do tend to wax lyrical of the past and see it through rose - colored glasses.

The delusion is similar to our view of ourselves, exemplified by the content of the image up there.

That is not the half of it.
Us farm kids were all driving as soon as we could reach the peddles, no matter it was. At 12-14 you was excepted to know how to operate every piece of farm gear safely & efficiently too include servicing it (lube oil's, greasing, & fueling). Blowing stumps by yourself was as simple as walking into the hardware store and picking up X sticks of 80% and the cap count you needed for the task. The guy at the counter never blinked an eye at kids 12 or older buying powder.
I had a trap line that ran 15 miles to the west & 5 miles to the east I ran on a 3.5 Hp Rupp mini bike pulling a home made trailer at 10 years old. Carried a colt woodsman or H&R 22lr that went with me every time. Left on Friday night (Nov-Feb)after school & did not return home until Sunday afternoon. No one ever blinked an eye at shit like that back then. The neighbors or cops would beat your ass for stupid shit, then you got another when you got home. You was excepted to enter the service after school to learn more about surviving, other skill sets, & how to deal w/ people who lived in big city's that were sheltered from reality. The average person these days could not even feed their self/family w/o a store shelf and that was a staple life skill set of most all country people prior to the 60's. Now a days if the cell phone dies or the power is out people start to panic,...

 

[Caymanboy]

traffic, weather and local events is really all i feel like i can trust.

everything else be slanted.

The only real thing that was "real" was WWF, and it was fake, but we knew it.

 

[myronman3]

About the title of this thread…that was the illusion.

The reality is you just didn’t see the lies then. Now you do.

They were lying just as much then as now. But at least now, you have the internet to counter their bullshit.

 

[Bullfrog08]

About the title of this thread…that was the illusion.

The reality is you just didn’t see the lies then. Now you do.

They were lying just as much then as now. But at least now, you have the internet to counter their bullshit.

A lot of times, it is not people lying, it is just "the machine" is lying and people are just ignorant and don't know what they don't know.

Once it was fine to wed 10-12 year old girls and the earth was flat. Maybe it is ok to wed 10-12 year girls as mother nature makes them ready to bear children at that age. Maybe the earth is flat! Maybe at some point we find that earth appears round in space because of some optical illusion caused by pixie dust in space.

What seems like truth today will someday not be the truth....its happened thousands of times throughout history. I think there are 5% of evil people in the world doing evil things, but I would say most are trying to do the right thing, just ignorant based on information available right now. Some of that ignorance comes from the %5 evil, but some is just common thought that will be proved wrong. We don't live in an absolute world, everything is gray.

 

[nagantguy]

Instead of lying to ourselves about how good it was “back then” we should be work g to make it great now - expose lies punish evil make public corruption a capital crime. Eat good , be well read , raise the young to seek truth and be honest . All together now .

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

we should be work g to make it great now

That ship sailed with the election of 2008, and there is nothing that is going to stop a total burn down at some point. The division in this country is beyond fixing, (nor do the powers to be want it fixed)as the FSA is now larger that those putting it on the table. At some point the table will not exist, and then it will get sporty.
When you pay people to be sorry/lazy they will never disappoint you,...

 

[nagantguy]

That ship sailed with the election of 2008, and there is nothing that is going to stop a total burn down at some point. The division in this country is beyond fixing, (nor do the powers to be want it fixed)as the FSA is now larger that those putting it on the table. At some point the table will not exist, and then it will get sporty.
When you pay people to be sorry/lazy they will never disappoint you,...

Defeatist attitude my friend - us the US Western civilization was never great because of the elected thieves and pedos - it’s great because of Us.

Tell the truth , excel at our jobs , show kindness and mercy- do the impossible because it needs doing . If we - we as in all of us started protecting the greatest asset we have - our young and guide them and teach them the Bible the hammer the shovel and the rifle then we will always be great . Can’t loose until we stop fighting .

I’m a nobody but we homeschool on our small farm , and no one can starve us out our make us run.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Defeatist attitude my friend - us the US Western civilization was never great because of the elected thieves and pedos - it’s great because of Us.

Tell the truth , excel at our jobs , show kindness and mercy- do the impossible because it needs doing . If we - we as in all of us started protecting the greatest asset we have - our young and guide them and teach them the Bible the hammer the shovel and the rifle then we will always be great . Can’t loose until we stop fighting .

I’m a nobody but we homeschool on our small farm , and no one can starve us out our make us run.

Nope reality,... more taking off the table than putting on, and the numbers are increasing every month. Once the free shit stops the fire will begin. Hell people go ape shit crazy over a simple power outage, what do you think they will do when their gov tit milk stops for any reason? Most country folk will survive but the fire will come to them as well. The very reason all my kin who went thru the depression instilled, always make true life skills, job one.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Dude put down the weed - Vietnam , Kennedy, MKUltra , Gulf of Tonkin, Most of what was happening in Korea from 51-53 .
Giving STDs and radiation to black and brown people just because , the scrubbing of all the giant mounds skeletons and coined money from the Smithsonian.

It’s all always been a crock of shit - only difference was we had a high trust society before the boomers came into power and fought harder to keep the cabin by the lake and the boat then they did for their kids during divorce number 3 .

Jeezoflip...
You aren't wrong....but then you aren't right either.
All the way back to Woodrow and even further back, generations were manipulated and fooled, if they couldn't be fooled, they were financially destroyed. 1929 then the "magnificent" FDR as an example.

"It's the boomer's fault!"
GTFO with that horse shit.

What are you? Gen Y? Z?
What are you doing about it?
Set yourself up on that self righteous pedestal.....it is a LOOOONG drop. Careful you don't break something.

 

[nagantguy]

Jeezoflip...
You aren't wrong....but then you aren't right either.
All the way back to Woodrow and even further back, generations were manipulated and fooled, if they couldn't be fooled, they were financially destroyed. 1929 then the "magnificent" FDR as an example.

"It's the boomer's fault!"
GTFO with that horse shit.

What are you? Gen Y? Z?
What are you doing about it?
Set yourself up on that self righteous pedestal.....it is a LOOOONG drop. Careful you don't break something.

Nothing righteous about me rotten worthless sinner.

 

[nagantguy]

Nope reality,... more taking off the table than putting on, and the numbers are increasing every month. Once the free shit stops the fire will begin. Hell people go ape shit crazy over a simple power outage, what do you think they will do when their gov tit milk stops for any reason? Most country folk will survive but the fire will come to them as well. The very reason all my kin who went thru the depression instilled, always make true life skills, job one.

Yes the fires and violence are coming.
And just maybe the good guys will prevail.
At the End End I know the good Guy wins