Just curious, did you contact USO?
I had an ST10... great scope. But for an M40A1, a USO MST100 would be the last my of thoughts. Back when alot of us built M40A1's, USO was our only option.....
JMO...
Save your pennies. When you got 3 grand, then start looking for an Unertl and hope for the best. Good luck, its not easy. When I built mine, I sold a motorcycle to buy the scope!
Before the virus related shutdown a week or two ago, CMP would list at least three or four Unertl USMC Sniper 10X scopes per week. Their last week of active listings, two scopes with rings sold for about $2300 each. When the situation clears and CMP gets back to active listings, I'd say the collectors' market saturation for these scopes combined with their inventory may be at the point where unless there's a big bidding war on a particular scope, they'll go for around that price or only a bit more.
Yea I'll agree with that. I was watching the last 4 scopes at the beginning of the month. Thats why I was trying to say anyone that wants or needs one, the window is now until? And then the time will come when they dry up and the value will start increasing over time.
Not sure if its been posted anywhere but does anyone know how many scopes the CMP received?
The first CMP Unertl sold 4/26/14 for 6007$
There has been 327 Unertl listings up to April 4th 2020.
There has been 327 Unertl listings up to April 4th 2020.
How many rifles/scopes were there? Just very interesting to me. I don't see that I will ever be in a place that I could own one or build an authentic reproduction. I certainly respect all those who put the effort and dollars into them.
I saw a post a few years ago that said the CMP had received about 600 Unertl scopes. That was based on a comment from the CMP. That probably includes incomplete/damaged/parts scopes.
I've been looking at the number sold too. I'll take your word on the 327 total. It got a little fuzzy to me because some have been auctioned multiple times where people didn't finalize their auction purchases.
Within the total sold I counted:
69 - .50 cal. scopes in the 5xxx serial number range
30 - .50 cal. converted from .30 cal.
2 - USO made scopes that had apparently been in USMC use
Here's a guess on the total number of Unertl scopes delivered to the USMC, based on the serial number ranges I've seen so far from the CMP sales:
.30 cal. - about 1000 through 1913, so over 900 (corrected, thanks kft101)
.50 cal. - about 5000 through 5150, so about 150 total
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Well I counted 327 auctions. Atleast one auction was for 2 scopes so figure 327 give or take a few...
I agree. I forgot about all the auctions for 2 scopes. It's funny how many were auctioned multiple times. When I was counting the .50 cal. converted from .30 cal. scopes, out of 30 actual scopes, 5 were sold more than once. Crazy, must have been drunk bidders, ha! One was even sold 3 times:
http://cmpauction.thecmp.org/search...xt=unertl 1867&searchtype=0&view=&show=closed
Oops, thanks for catching that. About 900 is correct. My math is better than my typing skills, ha!
Im curious to know... whats with the 300 yard zero? What instructions call for that? I read the Unertl manual yesterday and sure as shit, it calls for a 100 yard zero.
I’ll get my manual that came with the scope and send you a pic. Mine showed, 300 yard zero, 900 inch method, and observation method. This was from USO on the last batch of scopes they built. I’ll find it when I get home this afternoon and post a picture. Some other members here may be able to chime in.
Honestly hope I’m wrong on the 300 yard zero, sure as hell would be easier to zero at 100!
The download link for the Unertl is in here a page or two back. It looks alot more thorough than the USO manual.
I made this thread over in the reloading section for you guys who handload for your A1.
www.snipershide.com
M40A1 Loads and the SMK 175 BTHP.
Who has an M40A1 and hand loads for it? Lets keep this for that specific rifle and maybe the A3. I am starting fresh after a 10 year hiatus. I will be starting with an old pet load to begin load development again but I forget what seating depth was. I may keep the charge the same and fine tune...
www.snipershide.com
I got my barrel from him in 2017, I think, and it has the rough lathe-mark texture.
Yes. Gary is still making and selling the contract barrels. 1-12 and now 1-10. Awesome guy to talk to.
SPECIAL REQUEST
So I'm currently the high bidder on Unerl scope number 1055 at the CMP. I would owe you guys huge if you didn't bid against me. Its the last component needed for my M40A1 build. I've sat on my return stock since getting it from McMillan way back in the day. I'm CMP user 18713. Wish me luck. Look me up after its complete and I will let you shoot it.
I figure I got no shot at winning even at my max bid but I gotta try.
So I'm currently the high bidder on Unerl scope number 1055 at the CMP. I would owe you guys huge if you didn't bid against me. Its the last component needed for my M40A1 build. I've sat on my return stock since getting it from McMillan way back in the day. I'm CMP user 18713. Wish me luck. Look me up after its complete and I will let you shoot it.
I figure I got no shot at winning even at my max bid but I gotta try.
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QUICK RESPONSE NEEDED.
So I was at the LGS today looking at the rack of used consignment rifles and see one with a Redfield on it. I shoulder it, and I'll be dang, it is an Accurange with tombstone!
So I asked the store owner to ask the gun owner what he would take for the scope. Ive never seen one for sale. What are they worth? Looks perfect condition.
I wasn't intending to go that route but it would be period correct and a fraction of the cost.
So I was at the LGS today looking at the rack of used consignment rifles and see one with a Redfield on it. I shoulder it, and I'll be dang, it is an Accurange with tombstone!
So I asked the store owner to ask the gun owner what he would take for the scope. Ive never seen one for sale. What are they worth? Looks perfect condition.
I wasn't intending to go that route but it would be period correct and a fraction of the cost.
Well.. worst case you could always try to sell the rifle again to get some money back. I don't know much about the Redfields but it may be worth quite a bit more then what the whole package is selling for. I think its pretty rare to the point I think there was a guy trying to replicate the reticle and I have not seen one for sale in years. If you got a smear pattern stock, it'll be good. And you can probably flip the TMA Unertl mount and get your coin back for that.
I think it really depends on the model (plus specs) and year of manufacture of the scope. Redfields with the accu-range reticle are not that rare or valuable unto themselves. Just search eBay for those words and you'll get several listings in the $200 to $500 range that aren't selling.
For it to be "valuable" (if you're interested in it because of the M40s and you want it for a spec build), then you'd want a Redfield 3-9X with the accu-range reticle and tombstone BDC. The originals were marked "3X-9X" and "Redfield 1" Tube" on the side of the turret housing. The ultra-rare and valuable ones are those that are original anodized green. There's one on eBay right now and it's at over $5k. Other than the original green anodizing, vintage Redfields of the same original configuration are in the $400 to $500 range right now, based on current listings.
I've always wondered about this pic of Carlos with the A1 with a red Redfield scope, which looks anodized. According to The One Round War, the A1 wasn't developed until post Vietnam. I suppose his continued involvement in the sniper training program would provide plenty of photo ops post war.
I was given a couple boxes of Lake City Match ammo today by a buddy at the range. They are dated 1966 and the boxes are well worn and some of the cases are a little tarnished. I don't understand how this could be but some of the cases in one box are LC 77 (replaced the originals at a later date?). They won't chamber in my custom built 308 which has a Palma chamber I believe.
Is there any collector value in them? My REM SPS shot 10 from one box fine but didn't group as well as my handloads. I could just shoot them up for fun, but I would hate to waste them if they would be appreciated by a collector. I am not trying to make money on this, just help someone out maybe.
Richard
Is there any collector value in them? My REM SPS shot 10 from one box fine but didn't group as well as my handloads. I could just shoot them up for fun, but I would hate to waste them if they would be appreciated by a collector. I am not trying to make money on this, just help someone out maybe.
Richard
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