Political environment keeping you from buying AR15?
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~1.3 million active duty military.
~4.7 million mail in ballots.....from Florida alone
And Fudds don't think anything but shotguns and 22 rifles are protected by the 2A.
You're either for us or against us, there is no middle ground.
Did you ever go before a judge with hundreds of witnesses who filled out sworn affidavits, and the judge refused to even listen to the totality of the evidence? Did you ever have witnesses who swore affidavits, and the State was able to obtain corroborating evidence with CCTV, and the judge dismissed the case? Did you ever have witnesses who testified that they trucked in pallets of evidence from out-of-State, and the judge ignored it before even hearing the case?
Mueller was overseeing the FBI’s counter-intelligence/espionage case against Russian agents who were negotiating the purchasing of Uranium mines in the US, Canada, and Kazakhstan in the wake of Nunn-Lugar dating back to 2005. They had a key asset reporting on the Russians in that case who said that years later under the Obama WH/Clinton SECSTATE, where over $100 million had been funneled into Clinton Global Initiative as bribes from Russia, that the Russians stated the WH and Hillary would not stop the deals. You might have heard of Uranium One. Biden and his son, Hunter were handling bribes from Kazakhstan in that deal.
Barr is an interesting character. I’ve been talking about his role in the transition from Bush Sr. to Clinton White Houses for decades, where he insisted that Clinton fire the FBI Director, William Sessions, because Sessions had the audacity to allow the Bureau to investigate Bush41’s Iraqgate scandal (banking transfers and WMD materials sold to Saddam). It didn’t help matters that Sessions also allowed FBI to investigate 14 referrals on the Clintons’ high crimes, most of which were being investigated already before the election. (Whitewater, McDougal, Hillary Cattles Futures SEC violations, murders, Paula Jones sexual harassment, Arkansas Development and Finance Authority money-laundering, Dan Lassater cocaine smuggling, AR State Medical Examiner trends in accidental death and suicide rulings, personal narcotics use, etc.). As soon as I saw Barr would be AG under this WH, I knew we were in for some major handicapping of the Oval Office. Barr has not bent over backwards to appease Trump. If he had, Mueller, Hillary, McCabe, Comey, Clapper, Obama, and Biden would be charged with multiple high crimes, including treason. What happened? Flynn got ran through the ringer by FBI, who knew he was clean.
Not sure what cyber security people you’re referring to, but it looks like you need to check into the thread in the bear bit for better info. Foreign interference was tracked and documented in great detail, showing that foreign governments had access to and monitored Dominion machines, which were open to manipulation of tabulation data with unidentified user logins who had the system admin passwords. There’s a detailed thread on it here.
Your pre-election polling statements aren’t accurate either. Not only was Biden projected to win bigly, but they also said he would win Texas, and that Democrats would have a huge red wave in the House, with many seats picked up in the Senate as well. None of those things happened.
This isn’t about Trump. It’s about having free and fair elections where voting machines and manufactured ballots aren’t the choke points of the process, easily-manipulated by activists who have been paid hundreds of millions of dollars by companies facing major legal and financial challenges under pressure from the WH (Facebook, Google, Merck, Pfeizer....).
Some of also have done professional work throughout our careers, and get paid to see through fraud, deceit, and sleight-of-hand.
Others get paid handsomely well to create these things. Sounds like you’ve been feeding off of presstitute brothel information without any checks and balances with the truth. So being an attorney doesn’t really help with credibility when we’re talking about espionage, election-rigging, bribery, and power-plays.
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Of course that would be your answer - if it doesn't affect you, it's fine.
Out of curiosity, what are we getting out this deal?
You can wait for the lawyer to bitchslap this post down, or read up a bit on the issue with these affadavits
Evidence? Hearsay? Voter fraud claims in affidavits, explained
While no hard evidence has been discovered to support widespread voter fraud claims in the 2020 election, plenty of people have signed their name to sworn testimony.
www.clickondetroit.com
You’re proving my point in more ways than one.
Past performance on mail-in ballots doesn’t exist on this scale, other than military, which is a tiny % of the electorate. Only .5% of us served in the military.
Other points you inadvertently made against your position: Florida voted for Trump. Florida had all their votes counted with election results ready on election night, and they have the 3rd largest population in the whole Nation. They ran a professional vote-counting State-wide operation that accounted for everything and still got the results tabulated quickly.
Also, in Florida, there was a significant swing of Miami-Dade county to Trump, which has a high % of non-white voters.
Florida is not a great example to use if you’re trying to make whatever point it is you’re shooting for.
So you give higher weight to a random attorney on matters I’ve been tracking since 1992, without knowing anything about me or him.You can wait for the lawyer to bitchslap this post down, or read up a bit on the issue with these affadavits
Evidence? Hearsay? Voter fraud claims in affidavits, explained
While no hard evidence has been discovered to support widespread voter fraud claims in the 2020 election, plenty of people have signed their name to sworn testimony.
That’s an appeal to authority logical fallacy, where someone flashes a claimed pedigree of paper given to them by a university, even though they literally know zero about:
Nunn-Lugar
William Barr’s history of covering up high crimes
Robert Mueller’s investigations dating back decades
The State of Russia’s uranium mining and nuclear materials post-Salt I under Yeltsin, then Putin.
The relationships between Mueller, Comey, Clintons, Bushes, Kerry/Heinz, Bidens, and Russian/Chinese bribery
Espionage cases involving the highest offices of US government dating back to the 1980s
You can hope for whatever results some random lawyer is supposed to deliver, doesn’t matter if they’re a personal injury ambulance-chaser to a senior partner on K street, but none of them will be able to deliver what you’re hoping for in this topic.
You can tell that the lawyer gets his info from corporate press, which is close to zero credibility nowadays. That’s a red flag when you see someone regurgitating the spillage that oozes out of the MSDNC brothels.
Nobody will be “bitch-slapping” me around if you want to discuss the cases above and how they directly play into the 2016 and 2020 elections.
We get it dude. You love Biden, you hate Trump. The issue is that how you see AG Barr as a tool and doing “biddings of his master,” others see it as him doing his job. What happened to Flynn was illegal, unconstitutional, and a bunch of BS.
If you were a “lawyer” then you would agree with that because it plain as day. Joe Biden after the election has done the same thing he helped get Flynn arrested for a week after the elections. Also if I had to sit through two and a half years of watching that faggot Adam Shit talk about “Russian Collusion” then your bitch ass gets to listen to election fraud for all the same.
My point was simply to refute your statement of "most mail-in ballots are military".
If you want me to look up any other state, I'd be happy to.
How many different ways does it need to be displayed to you? The affadavits are garbage if they can't substantiate them - which they weren't able to do.
To answer your question - have I ever had a judge exclude something I tried to get into evidence? All the time. You understand that's one of the things judges do, they rule on the admissibility of evidence. So when you watch a trial and one lawyer tries to introduce an exhibit and the other lawyer leaps to his feet and yells "I object", that's what he's doing, he's trying to keep that exhibit from getting into evidence. And if the judge says "sustained", guess what, that exhibit is not considered reliable evidence and its excluded. Judges are experts at doing this, it's literally part of their job. So conspiracy theories, or something you read on facebook, or an affidavit by someone who doesn't have first hand knowledge, or who is speculating, or that's based on hearsay isn't considered reliable evidence of anything.
Have I always agreed with a judge's ruling? No. But if I tried to get the same evidence before 30 different judges and ALL of them excluded it I'd begin to wonder if maybe they were right and I was wrong. So I ask you again, how is it possible that so many judges are against Trump? Surely, if there was compelling evidence of fraud ONE of these Judges would be persuaded by it.
The problem with your position is that it requires you to argue that EVERYONE is against Trump and trying to deprive him of a legitimate victory. So it's not just one or two corrupt Judges it's EVERY Judge.
And it's not one biased Secretary of State or election official, it's EVERY election official.
And then you've got to find some conspiracy theory that explains why Trump's Attorney General is also lying and trying to cover up a fraudulent election so that Trump's opponent can become President.
And you've got to ignore or discredit Chris Krebs, who was appointed by Trump to head the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), and believe he is deliberately trying to conceal voter fraud when he repeatedly states that there was NO evidence of widespread voter fraud.
And of course, the mainstream media is also in on it and trying to cheat Trump out of his victory when they report that Trump's claims of fraud have no basis.
So let me ask you this - you clearly believe that Trump is/was a spectacular President, who enjoyed wide popular support and was re-elected in a landslide. If that's the case, why are so many people involved in a conspiracy to steal the election from him, including his own AG, his Cybersecurity expert, dozens of judges (some of whom he appointed) and Republican Governors, Secretaries of State and Election Officials?
Have I always agreed with a judge's ruling? No. But if I tried to get the same evidence before 30 different judges and ALL of them excluded it I'd begin to wonder if maybe they were right and I was wrong. So I ask you again, how is it possible that so many judges are against Trump? Surely, if there was compelling evidence of fraud ONE of these Judges would be persuaded by it.
The problem with your position is that it requires you to argue that EVERYONE is against Trump and trying to deprive him of a legitimate victory. So it's not just one or two corrupt Judges it's EVERY Judge.
And it's not one biased Secretary of State or election official, it's EVERY election official.
And then you've got to find some conspiracy theory that explains why Trump's Attorney General is also lying and trying to cover up a fraudulent election so that Trump's opponent can become President.
And you've got to ignore or discredit Chris Krebs, who was appointed by Trump to head the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), and believe he is deliberately trying to conceal voter fraud when he repeatedly states that there was NO evidence of widespread voter fraud.
And of course, the mainstream media is also in on it and trying to cheat Trump out of his victory when they report that Trump's claims of fraud have no basis.
So let me ask you this - you clearly believe that Trump is/was a spectacular President, who enjoyed wide popular support and was re-elected in a landslide. If that's the case, why are so many people involved in a conspiracy to steal the election from him, including his own AG, his Cybersecurity expert, dozens of judges (some of whom he appointed) and Republican Governors, Secretaries of State and Election Officials?
Well, they did find one instance where a voter submitted a mail in ballot for Trump and then tried to vote for him in person as well.
Do you have any data to backup this statement? When I search for it, I can only find claims in GA, which has been widely debunked (including trumps sons deleting tweets propagating the false claim)
Faulty Claim About 'Biden-Only' Ballots in Georgia - FactCheck.org
Campaign officials for President Donald Trump and supporters have promoted the faulty claim that Joe Biden received nearly 100,000 votes in Georgia through ballots that only included selections for president, suggesting it's "suspicious." But the claim ignores that some voters do not vote a...www.factcheck.org
Here are your facts from just ONE state. I’m not going to spoon feed you any more evidence. If you are unaware of the widespread MASSIVE fraud by now, you’re either not paying attention or are just in denial. There were SEVERAL hearings of witnesses testifying UNDER OATH of the fraud, and the MSM refused to cover it, which is why most people are in the dark about it. The MSM just keeps repeating “baseless claims,” when there are MOUNTAINS of evidence supporting the claim.
NV ballot analysis.
I can’t believe we even have this type of ignorance on a 2A pro forum. I would think people here would be WELL informed of the facts. I guess not.
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Interesting that you assume all of these votes are D. This is evidence (if we're to take a politician at his word) of a system that needs a big data scrub (which, if you go back a few pages, you'll see I'm in favor of) not of a concerted fraud effort to benefit one canidate.
If you haven't kept up, many of those testimonials were thrown out along with the cases because they couldn't be substantiated.
Harder to believe there are people here who STILL think trump was a 2a ally, but here we are.
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lol, sure they weren’t able to be substantiated. They provided the names AND addresses of the voters. The only possible way it couldn’t be substantiated was if they separated the ballots from the envelopes AFTER the count. That’s like burning the evidence and saying, “hey, it couldn’t be substantiated.” Are you serious with this nonsense?
As another poster pointed out, you're literally saying a minority of people (even people on his own team, people he's hired, judges he appointed) are all in on this giant conspiracy to overthrow him despite his supposed overwhelming popularity. Why would they do that and who convinced ALL of them to jump on board?
Because acknowledging voter fraud would be EXTREMELY disruptive and would have an almost catastrophic effect on the country. They want to avoid that and just pretend nothing happened. This is not just about Trump, the violent Left wing mob have burned down countless cities and they know, if Trump wins, they’d have to deal with that ON TOP of citizens not having confidence in our elections. Which is why they want to put to bed ANY talk of voter fraud.
Listen, ANY person with half a brain cell knew what the Dems were up to when they proposed mail in ballots, and COVID was the perfect cover for them. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, this is just plain common sense. I HIGHLY doubt you’d accept your bank using the same security measures to manage your account as the US gov used for mail in ballots. It’s absolutely UNsecure, with several breaks in the chain of custody and almost impossible to review integrity AFTER THE FACT.
I‘m under no illusion or in an echo chamber. Going into the election, I ignored the difference between Trump and Biden turnouts during their campaigns. I was WELL aware people didn’t like Biden, but they just hated Trump more. I also knew there would be a BIG turn out AGAINST Trump. But I also know how the Left operates. They will cheat, steal, burn down cities and loot to get what they want, which is why I was concerned going into the election. They aren’t looking to just vote, there were looking to do WHATEVER they could do to get Trump out. WHATEVER they could to get him out, including mass mailing in fraudulent votes. And that is EXACTLY what they did.
Trump actually destroyed the record for turnout and received 10M+ MORE votes than he did in 2016. NEVER in history has an incumbent President ever received this amount of votes in his reelection and LOST the election. He even beat out Obama (which previous had the record for highest vote count) by 5M votes. In no way did the Dems think Trump could turn out those numbers. And for Biden to win, statistically Trump would of had to LOSE votes, but that didn’t happen. Instead Biden blew away Obama’s record so bad, you’d think the media would be touting him as the god of all elections. Instead they just say, “Biden won.” Doesn’t really seem like he’s getting the accolades someone would deserve for such a massive accomplishment. If you look solely on voting turnout and legal registered voters, the numbers are impossible without voter fraud. Just by looking at the numbers alone.
Now for the icing on the cake, Justice Roberts even turned down the Texas case against PA on the basis of, it was none of Texas’ business with what happens in PA...IN A GENERAL ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT. This decision had people scratching their heads because it made no sense. Dinesh D’souza put it best, that‘s like if you were in a poker tournament, and one table is breaking all the rules, and when you try and call them out on it, the officials say, “hey, that’s none of your business.” Absolutely ridiculous. And any reasonable person would agree, so there HAS to be another reason. Well, it seems like Roberts made the decision because he was afraid there was going to be riots. Now I’m sure he’ll deny it, but that makes much more sense than the official explanation he gave. Which means he FAILED to do his job, just like every other judge.
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EXACTLY! It‘s like when ALL the MSM were reporting “peaceful protests.” Man, I’m glad we can finally put that one to bed. Those dumb ”conspiracy theorists” with all their videos of people rioting, burning down cities, shooting civilians/police and looting were “baseless.” I’m glad you finally were able to talk sense to all these crazy people saying these protest were NOT peaceful and instead violent riots. I mean, that would be contrary to what EVERY MSM station was reporting. Crazy man.
And hey, remember that Russia collusion story EVERY MSM was reporting for 3 years? I mean if that wasn’t true, that would mean EVERY MSM outlet would be in on trying to take down Trump. Crazy talk man. Just crazy.
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Bloviate, bloviate, conspiracy theory, bloviate.
There's the TLDR for anyone wanting it.
You also failed to answer my basic question : who and why? You answered why you think they need the coverup, but you still haven't answered why "they" are influencing the election (and why is only for the WH?) Also, if cheating is so easy and rampant, why didn't Rs do it? Or did they and are they just not as good at it?
Just curious - do you acknowledge the pandemic opened the absentee/early/mail-in voting door for millions who never had or simply never knew previously?
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I‘m done spoon feeding you information. I’m not here to write a book for you. If you don’t want to do your own research or simply want to ignore the ridiculous amounts of evidence available and data that makes absolutely no sense, that’s on you. The saying goes, you can lead a horse to water....
And your last sentence, you’ll need to rephrase because that’s a mess. I have no idea what you’re asking.
OK, I'm going to try to come at this another way and if that doesn't help people arrive at a rational conclusion (and I suspect it won't) I'll give up.
When you claim there was "massive voter fraud" let's go beyond the vague conclusory statement and be specific about what you mean and how this fraud was accomplished. Are you saying that hundreds of thousands of individuals, in at least five different states, all acting independently of one another, all of whom were Biden supporters (because of course no Trump supporter would ever try to commit fraud) somehow managed to game the system and vote multiple times without getting caught? And if so, how did they do it? I mean, did they just keep showing up at polling places over and over again wearing various disguises? Did they take their mail in ballot to a Copy Cop, have them make dozens of copies and then dump all those ballots into a drop box? You're the guys claiming massive fraud, you have to show me how it was done. Done hundreds of thousands of times without anyone being caught. And finally, I know you don't like liberals, but do you really believe there are hundreds of thousands of them out there who would risk going to jail simply to put Biden in office?
Clearly, this scenario doesn't make a lot of sense, so let's try option 2 - there was a giant top down conspiracy. You know a Q conspiracy, shadow government of ruling elites who conspired to steal the election from Trump. So Joe Biden, Obama, Hilary, George Soros, Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey, George Clooney and Hugo Chavez (who's been dead for years) all meet in a secret underground bunker and decide to put Biden in as President. But again, how do they do it? Specifically. A massive hack of all the voting machines? That doesn't work. The vast majority of votes for Biden are from mail in ballots. Paper ballots that leave a paper trail. Any hand recount would immediately discover this discrepancy. Bribing election workers? But how is that going to work in practice without being discovered. Voting in this country is completely decentralized. It's done state by state, county by county and precinct by precinct. You can't just bribe one or two guys, or ten or twenty. You have to bribe hundreds of people. And then those people have to figure out a way to cheat without being discovered by the thousands of poll workers/vote counters who aren't in on the scheme. And this conspiracy needs to remain completely secret. None of the hundreds/thousands of people involved can breathe a word of this to the outside world.
At the end of the day, these are really your two choices - either hundreds of thousands of individual actors (all of whom are Biden supporters) acting independently or a massive left wing conspiracy perpetrated by the 5-10 people who are really running this country.
What you can't do is claim there was "massive voter fraud", across at least five states and multiple precincts within those states, involving hundreds of thousands of votes and then support those claims with an affidavit from a poll worker who saw a mysterious box under one of the tables where he was working or from someone who saw a Biden Harris van near one of the polling places, or a Republican poll watcher who claims that while he was allowed to watch the votes being counted they made him stand ten feet away, or that some of the people counting the votes were mean to him.
And finally, to those people who can't understand the numbers - let me help you out. This was a bitterly contested election. The people that love Trump really love him. (So much so that many of them refuse to accept the results of the election). The people that hate Trump really hate him. That makes for a lot of highly motivated voters. And due to mail in voting, it was far easier to vote this year than ever before. So lots of people who might not be willing to stand in line for 4 hours are willing to fill out a paper ballet, stick it in an envelope and drop it in a mail box. And Democrats in particular have been engaging in massive voter registration drives. So there are a lot more registered voters than ever before. And you do understand that the overall population itself keeps growing? There are more people of voting age today than in 2008, or 2012 or 2016. So it should come as no surprise when more votes are actually cast.
The bottom line is that you guys need to accept the results and move on.
When you claim there was "massive voter fraud" let's go beyond the vague conclusory statement and be specific about what you mean and how this fraud was accomplished. Are you saying that hundreds of thousands of individuals, in at least five different states, all acting independently of one another, all of whom were Biden supporters (because of course no Trump supporter would ever try to commit fraud) somehow managed to game the system and vote multiple times without getting caught? And if so, how did they do it? I mean, did they just keep showing up at polling places over and over again wearing various disguises? Did they take their mail in ballot to a Copy Cop, have them make dozens of copies and then dump all those ballots into a drop box? You're the guys claiming massive fraud, you have to show me how it was done. Done hundreds of thousands of times without anyone being caught. And finally, I know you don't like liberals, but do you really believe there are hundreds of thousands of them out there who would risk going to jail simply to put Biden in office?
Clearly, this scenario doesn't make a lot of sense, so let's try option 2 - there was a giant top down conspiracy. You know a Q conspiracy, shadow government of ruling elites who conspired to steal the election from Trump. So Joe Biden, Obama, Hilary, George Soros, Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey, George Clooney and Hugo Chavez (who's been dead for years) all meet in a secret underground bunker and decide to put Biden in as President. But again, how do they do it? Specifically. A massive hack of all the voting machines? That doesn't work. The vast majority of votes for Biden are from mail in ballots. Paper ballots that leave a paper trail. Any hand recount would immediately discover this discrepancy. Bribing election workers? But how is that going to work in practice without being discovered. Voting in this country is completely decentralized. It's done state by state, county by county and precinct by precinct. You can't just bribe one or two guys, or ten or twenty. You have to bribe hundreds of people. And then those people have to figure out a way to cheat without being discovered by the thousands of poll workers/vote counters who aren't in on the scheme. And this conspiracy needs to remain completely secret. None of the hundreds/thousands of people involved can breathe a word of this to the outside world.
At the end of the day, these are really your two choices - either hundreds of thousands of individual actors (all of whom are Biden supporters) acting independently or a massive left wing conspiracy perpetrated by the 5-10 people who are really running this country.
What you can't do is claim there was "massive voter fraud", across at least five states and multiple precincts within those states, involving hundreds of thousands of votes and then support those claims with an affidavit from a poll worker who saw a mysterious box under one of the tables where he was working or from someone who saw a Biden Harris van near one of the polling places, or a Republican poll watcher who claims that while he was allowed to watch the votes being counted they made him stand ten feet away, or that some of the people counting the votes were mean to him.
And finally, to those people who can't understand the numbers - let me help you out. This was a bitterly contested election. The people that love Trump really love him. (So much so that many of them refuse to accept the results of the election). The people that hate Trump really hate him. That makes for a lot of highly motivated voters. And due to mail in voting, it was far easier to vote this year than ever before. So lots of people who might not be willing to stand in line for 4 hours are willing to fill out a paper ballet, stick it in an envelope and drop it in a mail box. And Democrats in particular have been engaging in massive voter registration drives. So there are a lot more registered voters than ever before. And you do understand that the overall population itself keeps growing? There are more people of voting age today than in 2008, or 2012 or 2016. So it should come as no surprise when more votes are actually cast.
The bottom line is that you guys need to accept the results and move on.
My questions could not be more simple:
Who and why?
Why did 'they' only do it for the WH election?
If it's so easy, why didn't Rs do it?
Yes or no: the pandemic made voting more accessible to those who are historically inactive voters via absentee/mail-in/early voting.
For an attorney, you apparently haven’t reviewed the evidence presented in the hearings. Testimonies of pallets of ballots being received AFTER the deadline and back dated, completed ballots on USPS trucks being moved from one state to another, PA breaking their own constitutional laws when counting votes, ZERO verification of signatures in states, REDUCED accuracy in signature verification on machines (NV reduced the signature accuracy to 40%), ballots being separated from envelopes and then being discarded making it IMPOSSIBLE to review integrity after the fact, Dominion machines found to have a 68% error rate (oddly enough in favor of Biden) after a forensic analysis was performed in a single COUNTY, SEQUENTIALLY numbered ballots being received (which is impossible), and a mountain more evidence that was able to be accumulated in a VERY short period of time.
And yes, there was STRONG evidence in NV showing duplicate votes, votes from non residence or residence that were no longer occupied, on top of dead voters, unregistered voters that amounted to 100K in fraudulent votes at the MINIMUM. And that was just in one state.
Again, if you look at simply the numbers, STATISTICALLY the election results are impossible, and that’s without digging any deeper than pure numbers. And yes, that’s with taking the increased population and registered voters into account. It would by like playing poker and someone having 5 Aces in their hand. And then you ask the question, “ok, who would want to rig the game? Who would benefit? Is the entire casino in on it?” Those are all great questions, but NONE of them need to be answered to know the game is rigged. You CANNOT have 5 Aces, that’s all you need to know that the game is invalid.
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We folks can dance around the process all we like; the ONLY real question is whether or not this election has the confidence of the electorate to back it up.
In my admittedly biased viewpoint, there are woefully far too may instances of questionable behavior on the part of the people running the taking and the counting of the votes for anyone to honestly support a credible conclusion.
IMHO this election has only honestly arrived at one conclusion, a vote of "No Confidence".
You can wait for SCOTUS to waffle their way out of any responsibility they may owe the citizenry, you can 'follow the process" all you like, it's all one and the same; folks like ourselves have been well and solidly screwed.
I'm done waiting around for the cavalry to ride up and save us all. It's our country, it's our election, and I say it's all just a big, dripping shit sandwich.
From this point on, the Constitution has been rendered a joke, where we go from here is in our hands, and not those of some self justified politicians stepping way wide of their authority, running roughshod over us all like it's all their personal fiefdoms. Whatever it was we elected them to do, they're not doing it, and aren't going to.
Somebody has to take charge, and the ones who claim they are haven't been capable of managing a wet fart since this farce began. We the people have been sitting around and just waiting too long. Stop telling us how to live our lives; we're totally, thoroughly fed up with that drivel.
ENOUGH!
DO SOMETHING!
I don't really care what that that may be, but time's up; DO SOMETHING!.
Maybe it's time we each went out back and dug two graves...
After that, it's each one of us for ourselves.
Greg
In my admittedly biased viewpoint, there are woefully far too may instances of questionable behavior on the part of the people running the taking and the counting of the votes for anyone to honestly support a credible conclusion.
IMHO this election has only honestly arrived at one conclusion, a vote of "No Confidence".
You can wait for SCOTUS to waffle their way out of any responsibility they may owe the citizenry, you can 'follow the process" all you like, it's all one and the same; folks like ourselves have been well and solidly screwed.
I'm done waiting around for the cavalry to ride up and save us all. It's our country, it's our election, and I say it's all just a big, dripping shit sandwich.
From this point on, the Constitution has been rendered a joke, where we go from here is in our hands, and not those of some self justified politicians stepping way wide of their authority, running roughshod over us all like it's all their personal fiefdoms. Whatever it was we elected them to do, they're not doing it, and aren't going to.
Somebody has to take charge, and the ones who claim they are haven't been capable of managing a wet fart since this farce began. We the people have been sitting around and just waiting too long. Stop telling us how to live our lives; we're totally, thoroughly fed up with that drivel.
ENOUGH!
DO SOMETHING!
I don't really care what that that may be, but time's up; DO SOMETHING!.
Maybe it's time we each went out back and dug two graves...
After that, it's each one of us for ourselves.
Greg
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You keep saying that vote numbers out number registered voters. What SPECIFIC state(s) are you referring to when you say this?
There are a lot of claims of this, but every swing state that has been researched has proven that claim to be 100% false.
Please tell us, clearly and concisely what you are referring to so we can look into it.
No, there are some other folks who hate the Donald.
They are the absolute selfish, thankless ingrates who calmly enjoyed the benefits his policies brought to the entire electorate, and yet still took the political candy/payoffs the ward healers and welfare purveyors gave out like free coupons.
They all ought to roast in Hell.
They are the absolute selfish, thankless ingrates who calmly enjoyed the benefits his policies brought to the entire electorate, and yet still took the political candy/payoffs the ward healers and welfare purveyors gave out like free coupons.
They all ought to roast in Hell.
Again, please answer my simple question - is the "massive voter fraud" hundreds of thousands of individual actors deliberately committing fraud (i.e. rogue postal employees driving trucks full of votes from state to state). By the way how would that even work? The ballots from each state are different. No one going to notice that batch of votes from New York suddenly showing up in Georgia? They'd just count them?
Or is it a vast left wing conspiracy - i.e. that rogue postal employee was bribed by George Soros to transport votes between states?
Tell me which is it and how did they do it. It's a reasonable request considering your asking me to believe the election was stolen from your guy?
And again, with all this spectacular evidence and the best lawyers that money can buy, why couldn't Trump persuade a single court? Not one? Another reasonable question.
You know back when I was practicing law (I retired recently) about once every 2-3 years I'd have a potential client schedule an appointment with me with, to discuss what he assured me, was the most fantastic, blockbuster case in the history of American Jurisprudence. He'd usually show up for our appointment 1-2 hours early, carrying 4 shopping bags worth of documents. We'd sit down and I'd ask him to tell me about his case. An hour later he would take his first breath. It was obvious he had told this story to dozens of other lawyers. Invariably it would involve events going back 20-30 years, a parade of incompetent attorneys who either didn't understand his case or had been bribed by the other side. There were usually at least 3 or 4 corrupt judges who had inexplicably ruled against him in prior lawsuits. And of course there was a vast network of government officials, wealthy corporations and CIA spooks who were arrayed against him.
And he would have "evidence". Thousands of pages of handwritten notes, newspaper clipping, prior court filings, random e-mails and Polaroid pictures all of which "proved" his case. Occasionally, he would have actually snookered one or two attorneys into representing him. And invariably those lawyers had either let him down through incompetence or sold him out for a big payout from the people he wanted to sue. He had filed ethics complaints against all of his prior lawyers and was now trying to sue them for malpractice (another claim he wanted me to bring on his behalf).
Not surprisingly, I did not take these cases. And I will confess I usually did not spend a week going through each of his documents or following up with his "witnesses". The fact that his story defied common sense, that dozens of other attorneys had previously turned him down, that any hapless lawyer who had tried to help him was now the subject of a lawsuit and the fact that he had already been thrown out of Court by three judges was all I really needed to know about his case.
So no, I'm not going to try to disprove each conspiracy theory or run down every anecdote you come up with. Just like I wasn't going to spend a week going through the handwritten notes and random newspaper articles of someone who was clearly playing with less than a full deck.
And if you want to understand how real lawyers operate or what real evidence looks like - read the Mueller Report. Seriously. It's filled with statements of facts, not hypothesis, speculation or conclusory statements. Almost every one of those statements of fact is followed by a footnote containing a citation to a deposition (or Congressional testimony) made under oath, or an e-mail, , letter, or memorandum written by someone with first hand knowledge of the events he was describing.
Or is it a vast left wing conspiracy - i.e. that rogue postal employee was bribed by George Soros to transport votes between states?
Tell me which is it and how did they do it. It's a reasonable request considering your asking me to believe the election was stolen from your guy?
And again, with all this spectacular evidence and the best lawyers that money can buy, why couldn't Trump persuade a single court? Not one? Another reasonable question.
You know back when I was practicing law (I retired recently) about once every 2-3 years I'd have a potential client schedule an appointment with me with, to discuss what he assured me, was the most fantastic, blockbuster case in the history of American Jurisprudence. He'd usually show up for our appointment 1-2 hours early, carrying 4 shopping bags worth of documents. We'd sit down and I'd ask him to tell me about his case. An hour later he would take his first breath. It was obvious he had told this story to dozens of other lawyers. Invariably it would involve events going back 20-30 years, a parade of incompetent attorneys who either didn't understand his case or had been bribed by the other side. There were usually at least 3 or 4 corrupt judges who had inexplicably ruled against him in prior lawsuits. And of course there was a vast network of government officials, wealthy corporations and CIA spooks who were arrayed against him.
And he would have "evidence". Thousands of pages of handwritten notes, newspaper clipping, prior court filings, random e-mails and Polaroid pictures all of which "proved" his case. Occasionally, he would have actually snookered one or two attorneys into representing him. And invariably those lawyers had either let him down through incompetence or sold him out for a big payout from the people he wanted to sue. He had filed ethics complaints against all of his prior lawyers and was now trying to sue them for malpractice (another claim he wanted me to bring on his behalf).
Not surprisingly, I did not take these cases. And I will confess I usually did not spend a week going through each of his documents or following up with his "witnesses". The fact that his story defied common sense, that dozens of other attorneys had previously turned him down, that any hapless lawyer who had tried to help him was now the subject of a lawsuit and the fact that he had already been thrown out of Court by three judges was all I really needed to know about his case.
So no, I'm not going to try to disprove each conspiracy theory or run down every anecdote you come up with. Just like I wasn't going to spend a week going through the handwritten notes and random newspaper articles of someone who was clearly playing with less than a full deck.
And if you want to understand how real lawyers operate or what real evidence looks like - read the Mueller Report. Seriously. It's filled with statements of facts, not hypothesis, speculation or conclusory statements. Almost every one of those statements of fact is followed by a footnote containing a citation to a deposition (or Congressional testimony) made under oath, or an e-mail, , letter, or memorandum written by someone with first hand knowledge of the events he was describing.
The only thing that I would say about this shit show is I really don't believe any of the main characters involved in this story. In regards to AG Barr, I am not sure that I believe that they actually did any investigation into fraud allegations. We know that AG Barr publicly sent agents to a Nascar track to investigate a garage door pull because somebody thought it was a noose/hate crime. I know AG Barr publicly sent agents to DC to investigate the motives behind the proud boys burn BLM propaganda. I haven't heard of any case where a state or local election official was interviewed by any federal agents so when AG Barr said that we looked into it, please forgive me if I do not find that statement credible.
This is after all an AG that allowed the president to get impeached for making inquiries into Hunter Biden, while at the same time, investigating Hunter for income tax evasion and wire fraud and at no time felt any professional responsibility to inform the executive of matters that may impact the nation or election. At no time during the media OC fixation on the impeachment did the DoJ come out and say, oh yeah, We are investigating that too.
More specifically when fraud accusations are brought forward against a polling location in GA, and there appears to be a person at the center of this matter being convicted of fraud in the past, I don't think that its crazy land to actually send a few people down there to see what shakes out. For some reason, Why did the feds not send anybody to do a forensic audit of any of the voting machines in question in Michigan, why was this audit conducted by a outside party? Really, Nobody, at a local, state, or federal jurisdiction could be bothered with sending over an IT guy to investigate any claims
So is it possible that Trump was hated enough to be defeated by Biden. Sure, I do not necessarily like the guy.
So do one has to ask themselves the questions, do you trust any of these organizations, The FBI? They investigate Trump under bad fisa warrants, and 4 years of this shit show, you get what, a couple process crimes on trump people and a slap on the wrist for a junior FBI lawyer, a couple people get to retire ealy, a couple get removed. The NDI lied to congress about mass surveillance . The Secretary of the Army lies about our presence in Syria. The ODNI lies to congress about mass collection of the US public. The Intel community sells WMD's as a preface to get into the a 2 decade conflict in the middle east On a state and local level, Cites like Baltimore have had 3 of the last 5 mayors leave office facing charges. You have governors across the country suspending constitutional rights indefensibly for virus with a 99 percent survival rates.
So in closing, I don't think there is anything conspiratorial about people in positions of authority, abusing their power in order to gain some form of benefit, for some it could be financial, for others it could be influence, and for some, it just might be the juice.
Is it a conspiracy, I don't know, but I do know that I would sooner trust my crack head cousin to house sit for me while deployed to the other side of the planet before I would expect the leadership at the DoJ to do anything remotely considering ethical
Lying under oath has not proven to be any detriment to any of our decision makers.
What I do know is that Congress is filled with lawyers who routinely lie under oath and leak classified info with zero repercussions
I don't think that there was mass election fraud, as you really don't need need a large footprint to juice a half dozen counties, that are politically sympathetic towards a specific candidate. The is no risk, as local DA's will not bring charges unless really forced to.
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All it takes is a few thousand votes in about 9 counties to swing the election.
Is it a few thousand votes or millions that are part of this widespread fraud? - both numbers have now been mentioned.
Don't you see you have become no different from the Russia Hoxers (sic)? You just believe everything you hear that confirms what you want to be true. Just leave it in the pit instead of in the polite parts of the site.
that have only been allowed to audit the machines in one small county with <20k voters and found 6000 votes switched from biden to trump.
biden was declared the winner of that county despite trump winning by thousands of votes.
there are over 3000 counties.
Are there millions of fraud votes or a few thousand? Simple question.
(also, what small county are you referencing?)
There’s a whole election thread on it in the Bear Pit.
There were pallets of fake ballots that had been printed out using real ballots as samples over the months they had to accomplish, under the excuse of COVID-19. You can see video evidence of that in multiple precincts from election monitors and CCTV evidence.
The striking thing about the fake ballots was that they were in neat stacks with no folds on them. Mail-in ballots get folded, unfolded, folded, and unfolded so you shouldn’t have seen stacks and stacks of ballots that look like they’re fresh off the copy machine.
If you had tracked the main thread, you would see that. You would also see the cyber security analysis of voting machine access and unauthorized logins, with IP addresses in Ukraine, Iran, and Europe.
You would also see the massive spikes in Biden vote counts in a small window of the early morning hours on Nov 4th, which is impossible since it happened simultaneously in all of these States. You can look at charts showing what the ballot-counting rate per time was throughout the process. This is when the various precinct people told everyone that vote-counting was halted for the night, sent the monitors out, kept skeleton crews, wheeled-in or unveiled the stacks of fake ballots, and started running them through the tabulation machines, sometimes multiple times.
This is just one of the ways the votes were counted illegally for Biden. It wasn’t separate, independent actors accidentally using the same techniques, since many of these ballots were trucked-in from other States, other precincts, and followed a well-coordinated pattern.
You just haven’t taken the time to review any of the evidence.
You bring up Robert Mueller. He was the FBI Director managing the counter-espionage/counter ITAR-violating Russian attempts to acquire US and Canadian Uranium mining rights/ownership. The Bureau’s main CI in that investigation was risking his life for years reporting on what he was seeing among the Russians.
The Russians told him that Obama and Hillary were supporting the illegal transactions, so he asked his FBI handlers what was going on.
Mueller even personally traveled with uranium samples in diplomatic pouch he provided to the Russians during that investigation.
To sift through all the BS and answer for yourself what happened, it’s a matter of historical record that Obama and Hillary acting as SECSTATE, approved the Uranium One deal, which was Russia using front companies to acquire the mines in the US and Canada. The Confidential Informant had a gag order placed on him, and was let go.
This was after $145 million had been paid to the Clintons via CGI. Director Mueller began the investigation back in 2005, right after the main donor, Frank Giustra, flew Clinton to Kazakhstan in 2005.
The Trump family is self-made. They don’t need to use the Trump adult children as rain-makers for the family, since they have real products and services to sell. Meanwhile, the Bushes, Clintons, Kerry’s, and Bidens sell out the Nation’s highly-controlled defense assets and technology to foreign governments who will pay anything to acquire them.
That’s why you see such a massive effort to attack President Trump, and put back into the WH another traitor who will continue the sell-out of the Nation to the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, and whoever is willing to funnel a few hundred million to these crime families.
It’s really that simple.
You need to be specific - which county(ies) and in which state(s) are you talking about?
Regarding the spikes, here is your explanation:
Fact check: Biden vote spikes and county recount do not prove Democrats are trying to steal the election in Michigan and Wisconsin
Social media users are sharing an article which cites examples of two large spikes in Biden votes, a county recount and late mail-in voting to prove that Democrats are trying to steal the election in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Although the details surrounding...
www.reuters.com
Now, your attitude thus far in this thread leads me to believe you'll respond with some sort profanity and/or personal insult laced conspiracy theory reply, but maybe you'll surprise us.
