Tr2id is available with DTII+?
Will be yes you can order it with euro they are supposed to be hitting the land of freedom soon
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Tr2id is available with DTII+?
Yes, that's what mine is.Tr2id is available with DTII+?
Agreed, imho it is optimised for 25x. (Probably for the 5-25)GR2ID isn’t optimized at 36x IMO.
I was bothered by that too but seeing how 0.1 mils is 1.000000003 cm at 100 m, I'll let it slide. It's safe to say 0.1 mils and 1 cm @ 100 m are effectively interchangeable with regard to rifle scopes...unlike the situation for the MOA counterparts.Yes, that's what mine is.
Edit: nope, they are only showing the "0.5cm" (0.05mil/click) DTII+ TR2ID on their site right now, but if you call you can certainly order one with the normal "1cm" (0.1mil/clidk) DTII+ turrets like I have. I used quotations on those designations because I hate how SB uses metric terminology on turret designations for what is really an angular measurement, and not metric.
Excellent point I hadn’t thought of. I was just talking about the nomenclature in the model numbers without regard to turret markings, and I haven’t looked at one in person, but I can see where that would necessary.I was bothered by that too but seeing how 0.1 mils is 1.000000003 cm at 100 m, I'll let it slide. It's safe to say 0.1 mils and 1 cm @ 100 m are effectively interchangeable with regard to rifle scopes...unlike the situation for the MOA counterparts.
For the MTII turrets, it seems like the only reasonable approach...you want the numbers on the scope where they are with a reasonably large font size but without seeming too cluttered. The additional characters required to show the units as 0.05 mrad for all 16 numbers per rotation would make it seem even more cluttered with numbers on top of each other unless the font was shrunk.
After coming to terms with that, I stopped having a preference on the mrad vs cm markings.
It is a busy turret for certain but I can see why it was done this way. I would have to physically see one before I would go that way.Indeed it is clutered with numbers and yes the numbering can be confusing ( 10th of mil, rather than the classic mil - 1 mil become 10 10th of mil).
But personally I view them as 8 mil turret VS my previous 10 mil turret ZCO. And I like it.
the turret has the right dimensions for rotating it. The clicks are amazing in my opinion.
The FOV ( non US) is perfect.
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Imo the dtii+ and mtt turrets are money. Zco feels softer but definitely a solid detent but I hate the turret lock and how they zero.It is a busy turret for certain but I can see why it was done this way. I would have to physically see one before I would go that way.
You say the clicks are amazing. Can you elaborate? Would you say that they are as crisp and precise as the clicks on the ZCO or TT?
@GBMaryland has both so you two just have to meet your October commitments…It is a busy turret for certain but I can see why it was done this way. I would have to physically see one before I would go that way.
You say the clicks are amazing. Can you elaborate? Would you say that they are as crisp and precise as the clicks on the ZCO or TT?
It is a busy turret for certain but I can see why it was done this way. I would have to physically see one before I would go that way.
You say the clicks are amazing. Can you elaborate? Would you say that they are as crisp and precise as the clicks on the ZCO or TT?
It is a long way to drive to see a scope@GBMaryland has both so you two just have to meet your October commitments…
I still take TT over SB, but if you want a locking the DT II+ are probably the best on the market. ZCO is better than say NF, but they’re not as consistent or good as TT or SB DT II+.
Wait what?I was bothered by that too but seeing how 0.1 mils is 1.000000003 cm at 100 m, I'll let it slide. It's safe to say 0.1 mils and 1 cm @ 100 m are effectively interchangeable with regard to rifle scopes...unlike the situation for the MOA counterparts.
For the MTII turrets, it seems like the only reasonable approach...you want the numbers on the scope where they are with a reasonably large font size but without seeming too cluttered. The additional characters required to show the units as 0.05 mrad for all 16 numbers per rotation would make it seem even more cluttered with numbers on top of each other unless the font was shrunk.
After coming to terms with that, I stopped having a preference on the mrad vs cm markings.
1 MIL is 10cmWait what?
1 MIL is 1cm at 100m
0.1 MIL is 1mm at 100 yards
I don’t know where you’re getting 1.00000000003
The scope is a nice bonus to taking a class with the all guys you like!It is a long way to drive to see a scope
Wait what?
1 MIL is 1cm at 100m
0.1 MIL is 1mm at 100 yards
I don’t know where you’re getting 1.00000000003
You can’t trust @Huskydriver he is too much of a fanboi…..Imo the dtii+ and mtt turrets are money. Zco feels softer but definitely a solid detent but I hate the turret lock and how they zero.
The tt is closer in feel imo to the dtii/mtt. The SB is more slightly more audible and very distinct. You can feel and hear each click... Very crisp. The ability to quickly lock and turn mtc on off is so nice
Tt are slightly more spaced apart not quite as tactile maybe is how I would describe it but seriously splitting hairs for sure. Tt turrets are pretty awesome.
Maybe I can take a video comparing them but @Long Range 338 can also comment.
I can shoot the difference.Ok, just some info in case anybody is interested:
when folks say 1 mil, what they actually mean is 1 milliradian, which is an angle measurement.
1 milliradian is 1/1000 th radian, which is an angle of 1/1000th of 180/pi degrees, which is 0.057295779513082 degrees.
So 0.1 mil = 0.005729577951308 degrees.
So if you adjust your scope by 0.1 mil, you are actually drawing a right triangle with the paper target at whatever distance.
Example for target at 100m:
Angle of your zero shift = 0.1 mil
Distance to target = 100 meters
Zero shift on the target = x
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Huge eyebox compared to what? Better then Hensoldt 4x16, which is the best I ever seen. Is the SB636 eyebox better then TT525, ZCO527, SB525 or even Vortex RG3 which is surprisingly good at 36. My previous scopes were various SB's, Premier and ZCO527 and this time I opted for a budget scope. As I drove home from the range the other day, it suddenly dawned on me that RG3 never annoyed me once during my whole range session out to 600 yards (range limit). I get easily annoyed with scopes, especially those that have a finicky eyebox demanding perfect technique from me. I am an amateur for fuck sake, I should be allowed to buy myself out of shitty habits. Is the SB636 my solution? Could you please give us a reference?I finally got to shoot my 6-36 S&B on my .308 bolt gun. Very crystal clear glass. Huge eyebox. I can actually get behind the scope on 30-36x without any trouble. The P5FL reticle is great for the type of shooting I do. I love the center dot.
All in all, I am very happy with my purchase. I wish I had more time to shoot it.
Huge eyebox compared to what? Better then Hensoldt 4x16, which is the best I ever seen. Is the SB636 eyebox better then TT525, ZCO527, SB525 or even Vortex RG3 which is surprisingly good at 36. My previous scopes were various SB's, Premier and ZCO527 and this time I opted for a budget scope. As I drove home from the range the other day, it suddenly dawned on me that RG3 never annoyed me once during my whole range session out to 600 yards (range limit). I get easily annoyed with scopes, especially those that have a finicky eyebox demanding perfect technique from me. I am an amateur for fuck sake, I should be allowed to buy myself out of shitty habits. Is the SB636 my solution? Could you please give us a reference?
I am on the verge of getting another ZCO, however, if the SB636 has a considerably more forgiving eyebox at comparable magnification, then SB636 it is. I always liked SB's turrets more then the ZCO turrets anyway and SB service shop in VA is fantastic to deal with, which is an important deciding purchase factor as they all seem to need something at some point.
Much appreciated
I wonder if there will be a “fix” available at the S&B service centre once the 2 years is up to save having to sell the OG scopes.My SB 6-36 was better eyebox than my TT5-25, so after I replaced the useless Zeiss S5 on my 375/50 w a 6-36, the TT 5-25 on my other gun got sold and a 6-36 went in its place too.
Problem is, in 2 years when the FOVgate is resolved in USA, I will probably be upgrading. Keep your eye on the PX
Correct it's like 18% or something less fov iirmYou mean the limited FOV that all US sold scopes have due to the patent infringement issue?
I highly doubt it, but IF there is I expect it will probably be cost-prohibitive.I wonder if there will be a “fix” available at the S&B service centre once the 2 years is up to save having to sell the OG scopes.
Also, what is the difference in FOV between the European scopes and US versions? Website just lists one FOV.
Disadvantage on both the low and high ends...Ah, so the US version still has a slight advantage except at the very top. Now just need to figure out which one is easier to get behind.
Thanks for the link.
I'm showing the NF is 15' at 7X and the S&B is 18.6' at 6X.Disadvantage on both the low and high ends...
Non US 21.9-3.8
US 18.6-3.2
Sorry I was referencing the US vs Non-US S&B 6-36. I was not comparing it to the ATACR 7-35I'm showing the NF is 15' at 7X and the S&B is 18.6' at 6X.
Not really seeing it as a disadvantage at low power.
Depending on price it is worth taking a look, I am wrapping up my review that includes these two scopes, the NF 7-35 having come out circa 2018 is still a very impressive design. Choose based on reticle and be confident both will deliver where it counts.So is there a consensus on whether or not this scope is worth a look over the NF 7-35? I will be in the market soon for something on this level and price range.
Also, what is the difference in FOV between the European scopes and US versions? Website just lists one FOV.
Is there not an export rule in effect?Has anyone here thought of just flying to Europe and buying the European version and bringing back here?
If there was a shop near Heathrow that had them I'd probably do it.
I have no idea about that. Maybe for a commercial vendor ? What if done by a private individual, ie; I go buy one for myself?Is there not an export rule in effect?