Tr2id is available with DTII+?
Will be yes you can order it with euro they are supposed to be hitting the land of freedom soon
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Yes, that's what mine is.Tr2id is available with DTII+?
Agreed, imho it is optimised for 25x. (Probably for the 5-25)GR2ID isn’t optimized at 36x IMO.
I was bothered by that too but seeing how 0.1 mils is 1.000000003 cm at 100 m, I'll let it slide. It's safe to say 0.1 mils and 1 cm @ 100 m are effectively interchangeable with regard to rifle scopes...unlike the situation for the MOA counterparts.Yes, that's what mine is.
Edit: nope, they are only showing the "0.5cm" (0.05mil/click) DTII+ TR2ID on their site right now, but if you call you can certainly order one with the normal "1cm" (0.1mil/clidk) DTII+ turrets like I have. I used quotations on those designations because I hate how SB uses metric terminology on turret designations for what is really an angular measurement, and not metric.
Excellent point I hadn’t thought of. I was just talking about the nomenclature in the model numbers without regard to turret markings, and I haven’t looked at one in person, but I can see where that would necessary.I was bothered by that too but seeing how 0.1 mils is 1.000000003 cm at 100 m, I'll let it slide. It's safe to say 0.1 mils and 1 cm @ 100 m are effectively interchangeable with regard to rifle scopes...unlike the situation for the MOA counterparts.
For the MTII turrets, it seems like the only reasonable approach...you want the numbers on the scope where they are with a reasonably large font size but without seeming too cluttered. The additional characters required to show the units as 0.05 mrad for all 16 numbers per rotation would make it seem even more cluttered with numbers on top of each other unless the font was shrunk.
After coming to terms with that, I stopped having a preference on the mrad vs cm markings.
It is a busy turret for certain but I can see why it was done this way. I would have to physically see one before I would go that way.Indeed it is clutered with numbers and yes the numbering can be confusing ( 10th of mil, rather than the classic mil - 1 mil become 10 10th of mil).
But personally I view them as 8 mil turret VS my previous 10 mil turret ZCO. And I like it.
the turret has the right dimensions for rotating it. The clicks are amazing in my opinion.
The FOV ( non US) is perfect.
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Imo the dtii+ and mtt turrets are money. Zco feels softer but definitely a solid detent but I hate the turret lock and how they zero.It is a busy turret for certain but I can see why it was done this way. I would have to physically see one before I would go that way.
You say the clicks are amazing. Can you elaborate? Would you say that they are as crisp and precise as the clicks on the ZCO or TT?
@GBMaryland has both so you two just have to meet your October commitments…It is a busy turret for certain but I can see why it was done this way. I would have to physically see one before I would go that way.
You say the clicks are amazing. Can you elaborate? Would you say that they are as crisp and precise as the clicks on the ZCO or TT?
It is a busy turret for certain but I can see why it was done this way. I would have to physically see one before I would go that way.
You say the clicks are amazing. Can you elaborate? Would you say that they are as crisp and precise as the clicks on the ZCO or TT?
It is a long way to drive to see a scope@GBMaryland has both so you two just have to meet your October commitments…
I still take TT over SB, but if you want a locking the DT II+ are probably the best on the market. ZCO is better than say NF, but they’re not as consistent or good as TT or SB DT II+.
Wait what?I was bothered by that too but seeing how 0.1 mils is 1.000000003 cm at 100 m, I'll let it slide. It's safe to say 0.1 mils and 1 cm @ 100 m are effectively interchangeable with regard to rifle scopes...unlike the situation for the MOA counterparts.
For the MTII turrets, it seems like the only reasonable approach...you want the numbers on the scope where they are with a reasonably large font size but without seeming too cluttered. The additional characters required to show the units as 0.05 mrad for all 16 numbers per rotation would make it seem even more cluttered with numbers on top of each other unless the font was shrunk.
After coming to terms with that, I stopped having a preference on the mrad vs cm markings.
1 MIL is 10cmWait what?
1 MIL is 1cm at 100m
0.1 MIL is 1mm at 100 yards
I don’t know where you’re getting 1.00000000003
The scope is a nice bonus to taking a class with the all guys you like!It is a long way to drive to see a scope
Wait what?
1 MIL is 1cm at 100m
0.1 MIL is 1mm at 100 yards
I don’t know where you’re getting 1.00000000003
You can’t trust @Huskydriver he is too much of a fanboi…..Imo the dtii+ and mtt turrets are money. Zco feels softer but definitely a solid detent but I hate the turret lock and how they zero.
The tt is closer in feel imo to the dtii/mtt. The SB is more slightly more audible and very distinct. You can feel and hear each click... Very crisp. The ability to quickly lock and turn mtc on off is so nice
Tt are slightly more spaced apart not quite as tactile maybe is how I would describe it but seriously splitting hairs for sure. Tt turrets are pretty awesome.
Maybe I can take a video comparing them but @Long Range 338 can also comment.
I can shoot the difference.Ok, just some info in case anybody is interested:
when folks say 1 mil, what they actually mean is 1 milliradian, which is an angle measurement.
1 milliradian is 1/1000 th radian, which is an angle of 1/1000th of 180/pi degrees, which is 0.057295779513082 degrees.
So 0.1 mil = 0.005729577951308 degrees.
So if you adjust your scope by 0.1 mil, you are actually drawing a right triangle with the paper target at whatever distance.
Example for target at 100m:
Angle of your zero shift = 0.1 mil
Distance to target = 100 meters
Zero shift on the target = x
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