You track down a New Old Stock National Match I'll buy that in a heartbeat.
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You track down a New Old Stock National Match I'll buy that in a heartbeat.
Right now at this point it's looking like the Geissele MRGG and maybe the 6ARC Stratomatch..
Still want to find out more about Sword international.
Still want to find out more about Sword international.
Since you seem to like KAC, why not an SR-15, MOD 2, LPR?
It has a somewhat lighter contour Kreiger barrel than the MOD 1, but I've never seen a full evaluation of the MOD 2.
I have a MOD 1 with the slighter heavier Kreiger barrel & the UXR 3.1 handguard; the MOD 2 also has an M-LOK handguard.
Mine is good for an out of the box gun, doing 10 shots under MOA, eats anything, functions 100%.
But obviously, anything KAC is surely not cheap anymore, not that it ever was really cheap.
MM
I'll tag in a KAC rep @Jack_L
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was under the impression KAC is no longer producing the LPR and there's currently no plans to bring it back. If I'm wrong, Jack can correct me.
I knew where there was one at about a month ago. NIB too but it's gone now...
I saw the earlier today, I just messaged @holy cow to see if his is still for sale, he has the PreBan I'm looking for.
Yes on the Spear. It’s. Ok. Was more fond of it initially. Now. Ok. 277 would be fun to play with if the price of the good ammo wasn’t $5/rnd. A Spear with 13.5 277, 13.5 6.5cm and a 13.5 8.6BLK barrels would make for some fun stuff.
Yes and not well balanced. Feels odd’ish
Have not played with the 13.5”. Expect that will be markedly better balance wise but still not “perfect”. 16” Spear reminds me a little of a heavy Scar 17.
I’m sure they’ll just love the price of this new barrel. Think they are going to be offering them in various lengths and calibers.
The rumor is the LPR is being replaced with a KAC 6ARC concept.
That would be a great option, if not going with a 5.56.
Problem is, of course, a big WHEN? KAC doesn't move very fast.
Despite the Fanbois on one end & the Haters on the other end, I don't find much not to like about KAC's small frame rifles except the cost.
MM
Cost and availability.
I'm assuming we will be waiting a bit for 6 ARC KACs to become availability.
So I was able to track down a SOLGW 18" Broadsword in 6ARC at a very reasonable price.
I honestly don't have much experience with SOLGW, I know they seem to make a quality product at mid pack pricing.
Anyone here have time behind thier Match barrels? I like thier Barrel Contours and the fact they use 5/8x24 threads on thier 5.56 barrels.
The Geissele MRGG is still my #1 pick for the new Large Frame purchase and I think it would be fun to do a side-by-side against the Larue MRGG.
The broadsword isn't my small frame pick, just a side bonus.
The Geissele Stratomatch interest me but doesn't seem to offer much that I can't build at home, I've also heard good things about the Geissele Cut Rifled Barrels from Hollinger and a few others.
I have this 20" CLE Match Chamber Bartlein spun up by Craddock that I haven't even shot yet, I could just easily swap it out for a Craddock 6ARC Bartlein .
I honestly don't have much experience with SOLGW, I know they seem to make a quality product at mid pack pricing.
Anyone here have time behind thier Match barrels? I like thier Barrel Contours and the fact they use 5/8x24 threads on thier 5.56 barrels.
The Geissele MRGG is still my #1 pick for the new Large Frame purchase and I think it would be fun to do a side-by-side against the Larue MRGG.
The broadsword isn't my small frame pick, just a side bonus.
The Geissele Stratomatch interest me but doesn't seem to offer much that I can't build at home, I've also heard good things about the Geissele Cut Rifled Barrels from Hollinger and a few others.
I have this 20" CLE Match Chamber Bartlein spun up by Craddock that I haven't even shot yet, I could just easily swap it out for a Craddock 6ARC Bartlein .
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Have you looked at the NEMO Nitemare? Who doesn't need an 8" 300 winmag in a gas gun? I've shot their Omen, wow, what a joy to shoot.
But seriously, Nemo makes a very nice rifle and their Battle- Light 22arc is a very nice.
Hoping for something promising outta the SOLGW 6.5cm V2 14.5"
I'll be doing some load development in two weeks and ill definitely post my findings. I've been hearing good things about their new precision barrels. Very interested to here your thoughts on how they stack up against the big dogs!
As far as the SOLGW comments... be careful as to which barrel you might get. As far as my feeble mind can attempt to understand, some match barrels are Ballistic Advantage, and some are BHW.
Poking around a little, some links say 1n8 twist, some say 1n7.
The barrels that say ..
6mm ARC
416 Stainless Steel
SPR Profile
1:8 Twist
5/8×24 Threaded Muzzle
.750″ Gas Block Journal
Black Oxide Finish
3 Groove Polygonal Rifling
Are most likely ( IMHO ) to be BHW.
I can't tell if SOLGW is transitioning from Ballistic Advantage completely, or offering the BHW as a step up.
Just something to watch for.
If you decide to get a SOLGW upper or complete rifle... all my "standard" AR small frame lowers, SOLGW uppers are a VERY snug fit, through a obvious improvement with various other brand lowers.
Very snug, means on various BCM lowers... I had to slap the upper loose from the BCM lower.
"Others" the fit between the SOLGW upper and the various lowers, showed a better fit. I tried the SOLGW uppers on all the brands of lowers I had.
I would be curious if the BroadSword has a tight fit , upper to lower, like SOLGW standard uppers.
All my SOLGW uppers have had a Thermal fit as well.. Just sayin'.
While a lot of folks that upper to lower fit doesn't matter, IMHO it does make it easier to wield more consistently.
And for those that want to say, upper to lower fit doesn't matter at all, and want to use the infamous USArmy test as proof... remember that test considered 7Moa and less groups to be good enough for the tests parameters.
Great info here. The BHW barrels sound like a huge improvement over the old BA barrels.
My upper and lower on this mk10 V2 is also a very Snug fit that needs to be tapped in to be able to get the pivot/takedown pins in.
Tightest lockup I've seen yet
I'm hoping you get a couple of Geissele 6ARC rifles and tell us all about them.
I put a big scope on a friend's Geissele 5.56 16" Super Duty (that has never even been cleaned) and with MK 262 turned it into a half-MOA gun.
As a result, I'm considering retiring.
I put a big scope on a friend's Geissele 5.56 16" Super Duty (that has never even been cleaned) and with MK 262 turned it into a half-MOA gun.
As a result, I'm considering retiring.
I think I can do that, I was going to pick up a SOLGW 6ARC Broadsword but found another smoking deal on a FDE Radian MOD 1, I'll pull the .223 barrel and swap it with a 20" Bartlein in 6ARC, then I'll have something to compare against the Geissele Stratomatch and it's Cut Rifled Barrel.
Radian said they will be releasing a 6ARC very soon. Considering how awesome their Shaw-blank-based heavy barrels are, this could be an amazing shooter.
I'll shoot factory ammo during barrel break-in, then I'll switch to Handloads. I got lucky and found a bunch of the Starline 6ARC brass that I'm looking forward testing as well.
I hear Geisselle barrels are the best kept secret in accuracy.
Zane or the other girl is running one on her prs gun
Edit not Zane lol
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I don't purposely beat on or trash any of my rifles unless that's thier specific purpose, so normally they still look like new when I'm done.
If I do sell them I usually ask for just what I originally have in the base purchase, usually by the time I'm done testing a rig I've swapped out a few items for improvement.
For example I've already ordered a TriggerTech AR15 Diamond for the Model 1 and a custom A5 Buffer system, that will go with the rifle.
The only gripe I have on the new LaRue MRGG is the slop between the upper and lower which I have already corrected and the MBT trigger that I've tuned, so in a nutshell when or if a rifle leaves me it will be perfectly tuned and any deficiencies corrected.
And yes I have one or two toys in my collection..lol
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LARUE OBR with Paul Ross 18" Bartlein 6.5CM
LARUE OBR Small Frame (SBR 14.5" 6ARC Craddock Bartlein).
You are correct, the LPR was indeed discontinued. We will meet the existing backorders for them, but there is no planned production past that.
As far as the KS-6 goes, it was a specific item for a specific requirement. Personally, I think that 18" is really the shortest I want to go with 6ARC to really see a gain over 5.56, at least until something allows pressure to be elevated enough to reach helpful velocities out of shorter barrel lengths.
@bigjake83
Curious as to why you're against the LWRC REPR? I have their Six8 and thoroughly enjoy it. The REPR MK1&2 Seem to have nothing but high praise from what I've seen..never had the chance to shoot it, so I can't speak on it (yet.)
Curious as to why you're against the LWRC REPR? I have their Six8 and thoroughly enjoy it. The REPR MK1&2 Seem to have nothing but high praise from what I've seen..never had the chance to shoot it, so I can't speak on it (yet.)
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This has been on my radar for a couple of years. They started selling the barrels individually a couple of months ago. Muzzle devices are excellent.
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VKTR licensed the gas system and a few other things from Leitner-Wise.
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This has been on my radar for a couple of years. They started selling the barrels individually a couple of months ago. Muzzle devices are excellent.
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VKTR licensed the gas system and a few other things from Leitner-Wise.
VK-1 Rifle 16 - Precision Tactical Rifle | VKTR
Discover the VK-1 Rifle - a high-performance, precision machined tactical rifle engineered for reliability | VKTR
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I've also had my eye on those X2 Dev Group Trident barrels. Those soon to be released Noveske deep flute barrels seem to be designed around similar principles to the X2 barrels
The main thing that I'm looking at with the X2 is the significant weight savings. The 16" is coming in just under 22oz which puts it 5oz under the weight of a Proof CF barrel.
The downside is obviously the price. $550 is quite a bit of coin for a button rifled barrel with extreme fluting and a nitride coating. The accuracy is promising though. I've had some good conversations with Ernie, the owner and lead designer at X2. He goes into a lot of detail about the design and manufacturing of these barrels if you reach out to him on Instagram chat. He sent me some group pictures from a recent QC shoot they did as well. I attached the pictures below. I think these were done with 77gr SMK's of some flavor.
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I saw them the other day, definitely flirting with the price range of some high end barrel offerings.
I'll hit them up and see if they would be interested in me doing a review on here.
I think Ernie would be willing to send you a barrel for evaluation. He seems like a good dude. I’ve never called or emailed them but I do know that messages to their official Instagram account go directly to Ernie who is the company owner. He responds to messages super fast as well.
Keep us posted. I think there would be a lot of interest if these barrels actually perform as well as the company claims they do.
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