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The war in Ukraine and Donbas
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what war sounds like.
this could be our streets if the dems win.
this could be our streets if the dems win.
Drones. Multiple. ISR and kinetic. Those are small FPV drones. The whine is too high to be anything that is larger. If they are that close their position has already been identified, at least in a preliminary fashion.
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A self contained Phalanx type system towed behind a UTV with onboard genny, radar range of 500M, and multiple barrel 556 LMG would go the trick. Basically a shotgun effect. A mechanical block system to restrict friendly fire at low angles. Come on DARPA, do something useful…
Respectfully, I hear you. But there are ways with drones to get around that. And once you engage your position is known. Arty should come next. Drones make things both simple and complex. The world is still figuring this out. It’s isn’t just reapers any longer, squad level drones and evolving TTPs are now fundamental. I don’t think, I know, most have not grasped how much of a change has occurred in the last decade. Many will suffer in the learning curve. I wonder if it will take a catastrophic loss to wake everyone up. The technology is so cheap that it changes the game, probably even more so for small regimes.
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There are always ways around stuff. An integrated system from 50M to many km tied in with radar directed counter arty etc keeps more cannon fodder alive on the smarter side. Just like a well designed drive train, each part supports the ones above and below on the org chart. This has historically been the strength of the US model. When the deaths are unvalued combatants, the gaps created by super geeks and MIC supplier profit takers get pretty wide. No magic bullets in the ODA loop game.
With manufacturing outsourced to China and population of pussies only thing that can be integrated already is - DEI-> dumb entitled idiots. Now bring that into the fight instead of Ukies with attitude and mercs with experience and you will get ukie territorial defense motivation/competence divided by the factor. All the gizmos on the drawing tables wont do shit if there are not enough of them, are actually capable(tanks cough cough) and have motivated and capable people manning them. In the West ? Never more i think, until a lot of pain and blood to thin the herd - IF at all possible.
Laugh of the day with how spastic this is.
Quick and lazy transcript for anyone that doesn't want to reward retardation with clicks.
hello everybody it is Peter Zion coming to you from a foggy Colorado it is the 22nd of September in the news in the last four or five days is that the ukrainians have managed to blo up a handful of major arm Depot within Russian territory some of them a couple hundred miles from the border the three places in question are kodor tow rope pets and tick hor retes yeah pretty sure that's right anyway um one of these was big enough that it was detected by seismic monitoring stations thousand miles away which is kind of creepy kiloton range explosion
um we got four things going on here all of which are pretty significant and when you put them together it does suggest a a change in the tempo of the War the first thing is it is important to understand that the Russians don't move and store ammo like normal people they don't use forklifts they don't use crates they don't use pallets they just have things in boxes they're moved by hand and so when something does go wrong and things often go wrong things are very blammy and that is definitely what has happened at all three of these facilities
the second thing that has happened is the ukrainians have brought a new weapon system into play it's kind of a the technical term is drone missile it's like a little bit shy of a cruise missile the name of the thing is lenisa and I'm not going to apologize for mispronouncing that one because the ukrainians chose that name specifically because it was difficult for the Russians to I'm in the clear the pla anyway um its range isn't nearly as good as a lot of the drones that the ukrainians have been Fielding over the course of the summer you know some of these things have hit a th000 miles from the front these probably have a range of no more than 300 however because it's a missile instead of a drone it flies much faster is much harder to intercept and can carry a much heavier payload the bigger of Ukraine's drones to this point can only have a warhead of about 75 pounds most of them like a third of that but these things are probably having Warheads that are two to five times as large I say probably cuz it's new and just last week was the first time we saw them in play that said we're seeing them in play in large numbers specifically the attack on toit used apparently at least a hundred of these things so you know not not something that is just one or two a shot their whole fleets of things are now already being launched and for their debut that's pretty impressive from a manufacturing point of view
leaving aside everything that has to do with Logistics and Military planning the third issue is that Russia when it does move cargo more than the final mile it's usually by rail Russian territory is wide open lots of distance to cover and the value add of the agricultural land in Russia is very very low precipitation is fickle the summer season is short so the amount of income that the Russian land can generate for the State per square mile is very very low of the major agricultural zones in the world by far the world's lowest that means the Russians can't afford what we would consider to be a normal method of Transporter like having a road Network so individual farmers can always access the transport system the Russians just don't have the income that's necessary to build much less maintain that sort of network they need something that's much more cost effective and so everything that gets moved in Russia well 90% of it tends to move by Rail and whether that is a barrel of monkeys or a bushel of grain or a stack of ammo canisters it means it all goes by Rail
and it's only in the final mile that it's usually moved by hand and then some Maybe by civilian car to get to the front if it's a military asset anyway lots of vulnerability in that sort of system but since you don't necessarily know where the trains are going to be it can be a little hard to Target because rail networks are really hard to disrupt in the long term you just have to lay new rail if it gets blown up well in the tiaret attack it appears that a train was there at the time of the attack unloading ammo and the train itself was hit and so the entire Depot was blown up now I must emphasize here I'm using local reporting from within Russia so I don't know how much to trust it but usually the Russians don't celebrate their own trains getting blown up and their own ammo dumps getting blown up celebrate wrong word
anyway point being that unless this was just an amazing coincidence it suggests that the ukrainians have found a way to track in real time Russian rail movements and there's reason to think that that is real CU if you remember a few weeks ago the ukrainians attacked Russia to the north of them and took over large portions of the KK Province complete with the rail Depot at a place called suda and if that suda is allowing the ukrainians to basically tap into or hack into the Russian rail network they now know the schedules and the locations of the rail locomotives and what they might be carrying and if what they might be carrying is explosive and it's going to a place where it's unloading into a
warehouse it's full of things that are explosive well let's just call that a Target Rich environment for the ukrainians so we should expect to see more of this sort of activity which brings us to the fourth and final issue which is probably a change in targeting if the ukrainians really do have better Intel on the rail system now and if they've got these faster more lethal mass produced missile drones well The Logical Target for the ukrainians is to start going after the power generation and distribution system unlike in the United States where we move half of our cargo by ton mile by truck in Russia you know rails really important and 2third of Russia's locomotives are electric so if you can disrupt the electricity system then the entire Russian transport system falls apart now we may already be seeing some of the early stages of this we know the ukrainians have used some drones to attack some power centers in Crimea
it felt like a test run to me there weren't a lot involved but if they really do have better information on rail systems and now they've got the weapon systems to go after ammo and they've got the weapon system systems to go after the transport Network we're probably going to see a lot more activity within 150 Mi of the border to the north to the Northeast and to the east of Ukraine proper and we have seen Russian counter offensives in places like curse Peter out in the last 72 hours as well as seeing the Russian assaults on places like the the daboss in eastern Ukraine where they were on the verge of capturing a Ukrainian rail network at barov it's a place that the Russians have been assaulting and moving towards for months ever since they captured the Fortress city of aifa in the donbas back in the spring anyway they got within about five six miles of it they were making a really study progress if they had taken that out they would have basically hobbled Ukraine's ability to move forces back and forth along the front to wherever they were needed to be and the assault just stopped in the last few days
probably because of attacks that are having just this sort of effect so this is really bad for the Russians short mid and long term it hits to the ability of them to get to the front in the first place much less Supply it remember that the Russians never have operated on a quality basis with their military it's all about throwing huge numbers of people and lots and lots of shells at whatever their target isn't incrementally advancing you can't do that without a very robust rail network and the ukrainians May well have just found a way to go after the heart of it
Quick and lazy transcript for anyone that doesn't want to reward retardation with clicks.
hello everybody it is Peter Zion coming to you from a foggy Colorado it is the 22nd of September in the news in the last four or five days is that the ukrainians have managed to blo up a handful of major arm Depot within Russian territory some of them a couple hundred miles from the border the three places in question are kodor tow rope pets and tick hor retes yeah pretty sure that's right anyway um one of these was big enough that it was detected by seismic monitoring stations thousand miles away which is kind of creepy kiloton range explosion
um we got four things going on here all of which are pretty significant and when you put them together it does suggest a a change in the tempo of the War the first thing is it is important to understand that the Russians don't move and store ammo like normal people they don't use forklifts they don't use crates they don't use pallets they just have things in boxes they're moved by hand and so when something does go wrong and things often go wrong things are very blammy and that is definitely what has happened at all three of these facilities
the second thing that has happened is the ukrainians have brought a new weapon system into play it's kind of a the technical term is drone missile it's like a little bit shy of a cruise missile the name of the thing is lenisa and I'm not going to apologize for mispronouncing that one because the ukrainians chose that name specifically because it was difficult for the Russians to I'm in the clear the pla anyway um its range isn't nearly as good as a lot of the drones that the ukrainians have been Fielding over the course of the summer you know some of these things have hit a th000 miles from the front these probably have a range of no more than 300 however because it's a missile instead of a drone it flies much faster is much harder to intercept and can carry a much heavier payload the bigger of Ukraine's drones to this point can only have a warhead of about 75 pounds most of them like a third of that but these things are probably having Warheads that are two to five times as large I say probably cuz it's new and just last week was the first time we saw them in play that said we're seeing them in play in large numbers specifically the attack on toit used apparently at least a hundred of these things so you know not not something that is just one or two a shot their whole fleets of things are now already being launched and for their debut that's pretty impressive from a manufacturing point of view
leaving aside everything that has to do with Logistics and Military planning the third issue is that Russia when it does move cargo more than the final mile it's usually by rail Russian territory is wide open lots of distance to cover and the value add of the agricultural land in Russia is very very low precipitation is fickle the summer season is short so the amount of income that the Russian land can generate for the State per square mile is very very low of the major agricultural zones in the world by far the world's lowest that means the Russians can't afford what we would consider to be a normal method of Transporter like having a road Network so individual farmers can always access the transport system the Russians just don't have the income that's necessary to build much less maintain that sort of network they need something that's much more cost effective and so everything that gets moved in Russia well 90% of it tends to move by Rail and whether that is a barrel of monkeys or a bushel of grain or a stack of ammo canisters it means it all goes by Rail
and it's only in the final mile that it's usually moved by hand and then some Maybe by civilian car to get to the front if it's a military asset anyway lots of vulnerability in that sort of system but since you don't necessarily know where the trains are going to be it can be a little hard to Target because rail networks are really hard to disrupt in the long term you just have to lay new rail if it gets blown up well in the tiaret attack it appears that a train was there at the time of the attack unloading ammo and the train itself was hit and so the entire Depot was blown up now I must emphasize here I'm using local reporting from within Russia so I don't know how much to trust it but usually the Russians don't celebrate their own trains getting blown up and their own ammo dumps getting blown up celebrate wrong word
anyway point being that unless this was just an amazing coincidence it suggests that the ukrainians have found a way to track in real time Russian rail movements and there's reason to think that that is real CU if you remember a few weeks ago the ukrainians attacked Russia to the north of them and took over large portions of the KK Province complete with the rail Depot at a place called suda and if that suda is allowing the ukrainians to basically tap into or hack into the Russian rail network they now know the schedules and the locations of the rail locomotives and what they might be carrying and if what they might be carrying is explosive and it's going to a place where it's unloading into a
warehouse it's full of things that are explosive well let's just call that a Target Rich environment for the ukrainians so we should expect to see more of this sort of activity which brings us to the fourth and final issue which is probably a change in targeting if the ukrainians really do have better Intel on the rail system now and if they've got these faster more lethal mass produced missile drones well The Logical Target for the ukrainians is to start going after the power generation and distribution system unlike in the United States where we move half of our cargo by ton mile by truck in Russia you know rails really important and 2third of Russia's locomotives are electric so if you can disrupt the electricity system then the entire Russian transport system falls apart now we may already be seeing some of the early stages of this we know the ukrainians have used some drones to attack some power centers in Crimea
it felt like a test run to me there weren't a lot involved but if they really do have better information on rail systems and now they've got the weapon systems to go after ammo and they've got the weapon system systems to go after the transport Network we're probably going to see a lot more activity within 150 Mi of the border to the north to the Northeast and to the east of Ukraine proper and we have seen Russian counter offensives in places like curse Peter out in the last 72 hours as well as seeing the Russian assaults on places like the the daboss in eastern Ukraine where they were on the verge of capturing a Ukrainian rail network at barov it's a place that the Russians have been assaulting and moving towards for months ever since they captured the Fortress city of aifa in the donbas back in the spring anyway they got within about five six miles of it they were making a really study progress if they had taken that out they would have basically hobbled Ukraine's ability to move forces back and forth along the front to wherever they were needed to be and the assault just stopped in the last few days
probably because of attacks that are having just this sort of effect so this is really bad for the Russians short mid and long term it hits to the ability of them to get to the front in the first place much less Supply it remember that the Russians never have operated on a quality basis with their military it's all about throwing huge numbers of people and lots and lots of shells at whatever their target isn't incrementally advancing you can't do that without a very robust rail network and the ukrainians May well have just found a way to go after the heart of it
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short condensed version this early in the morning is what please ?
first thing is it is important to understand that the Russians don't move and store ammo like normal people they don't use forklifts they don't use crates they don't use pallets they just have things in boxes they're moved by hand
second thing that has happened is the ukrainians have brought a new weapon system into play it's kind of a the technical term is drone missile
Russia when it does move cargo more than the final mile it's usually by rail
the amount of income that the Russian land can generate for the State per square mile is very very low of the major agricultural zones in the world by far the world's lowest that means the Russians can't afford what we would consider to be a normal method of Transporter like having a road
it's only in the final mile that it's usually moved by hand and then some Maybe by civilian car to get to the front if it's a military asset
allowing the ukrainians to basically tap into or hack into the Russian rail network they now know the schedules and the locations of the rail locomotives and what they might be carrying (Russia can't use forklifts but their precious train data is all stored electronically, lol no.)
ssssoooo is this THEE game changer that will lead the uke to final victory ?
Ukrops cant track their shit down the toilet to Dnieper river. Its US&co thats doing the tracking and Ivan is fed up. How much? We will see hopefully not in a blinding flash but if poking continues i think its a certainty.
This. Eventually Russia will get tired of the US happily attacking mother Russia without cost. Imagine if Russia was helping Mexico blow up US installations in northern Texas. Nato and the west do not have the commitment or resources to actually fight a real war. The longer this goes on, the more I wonder if Putin is in on the NWO bs. Why does he let this continue?
there was an experimental 5.56 round that was used in Vietnam (tested by a few select groups) that would fragment into 3 pieces around 100 yards. 6" pattern. Highly effective on a stoner full auto.
they could bring that back and put that into every 4th round on your idea. just need a piece to hit to bring it down. Like rolling a few AA10 12 gauges with 00 buck.
You need way more than a piece. And 00 buck isn’t nearly as effective as you might think.
Shot or fragmenting projectiles just don’t have the range required.
Ukraine's Army Is In Bad Shape, Over Half Of Recruits Survive Just For A Few Days | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
10km
They mention : “This is now a trophy. It flew 9 kilometers''
No loss of video prior to impact
Ukraine will run out of bodies before Russian's run out of ammoUkraine's Army Is In Bad Shape, Over Half Of Recruits Survive Just For A Few Days | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
Fiberoptic is for comms. If it goes the full 10KM, depending on the time it needs to stay on location (and what its mission is), it may not come back due to battery life. IOW, it is to a degree meant to be disposable. Its old tech and nothing special from that perspective.
Its one way kamikaze drone it should not come back at all. Yes very old tech applied to new application. EW immune drone.
A new report by British military thinktank RUSI published on May 19th claims that Ukraine is losing an incredible 10,000 drones a month, mainly due to Russian electronic jamming.
Russia losses up to 50% of all drones lost to OWN EW
"The estimated number was up to 50% of the total losses of all drones. In fact, we had, have, and, at least in the near future, will have a problem of interaction between our neighbors on the flanks and rear and the front line.
‘Fortress’ Ugledar Is Completely Encircled, About To Fall at Any Moment - Commander of 72nd Brigade Withdrawn From the City, Ukrainian Forces Retreating Under Fire | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran
October begins with Russian Federation forces on the cusp of a major military victory in Ukraine, as the ‘Fortress’ city of Ugledar (Vuhledar in Ukrainian) is under attack from three sides, and expected to be conquered at any moment.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
With the front line apparently collapsing across the entire country, it seems it's already happening.
My point is that the wire comms cable is not a new application for drones. More than one country has had this. There was a video a while back (probably higher up in this thread somewhere) that even the Ukranians were using this tech to avoid electronic signatures. The video is a nothingburger.
I think Ukraine just fell of the map in terms of supply. Curtesy of ME tit for tats
No wire guidance was for idiots at least that was manta in the 90ies. And Russian hlmet mounted “trackir” gimmick until “discovered” by west ~20 years later as “gamechanger” in one circle engagement. 9m14 was like ancient shit and yet wire was very valued among hausfraus for doing laundry and it appears in 2024 quite good against jamming and thats before laundry!
Whites in the west should do a reset (moral one primarily) asap…
Whites in the west should do a reset (moral one primarily) asap…
Hard to tell as it probably mostly secret
So far alleged it supplied about two weeks worth of ballistics missiles cca 200 in grand total , drones have supplied much greater numbers but those have been localised/manufactured in Russia for over a year now ,so nothing major
He's already got his shit packed. That truck will be heading to the Kremlin any day now so big Z can start moving his shit into Putin's old office.
They have the coolest job ever.
What did you do today?
Quick intercept of Russian bombers and fighter jets before entering US airspace. You?
Oh, you know, I typed quite a bit of stuff on my computer. It's really exciting stuff if you know about it . . .
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