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#51
akmike47 said:
You still obviously don’t understand. This is the one time I’ll side with the government because you can’t grasp what the term means.

Zero percent of the term “100 year….” Is supposed to make you think all is well. The whole 1% chance of it happening should explain that.

You’ve thrown logic out the window.
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I simply don’t understand your post saying “is supposed to make you think all is well. The whole 1% chance of it happening should explain that”

I said; “This 100 year stuff is jsut something for gov types to say to make the public think all is well”.

Didn’t we just say the same thing?

I heard “This is the 100 year (include the disaster of your choice) far more times than I can even remember. It’s a falsehood to make the public think all is well. Major (100 year) events can happen four or five times every hundred years. We’ve had TWO hundred year floods in North Louisiana since 1991. (1991 and 2016)
 
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Dead Eye Dick said:
I simply don’t understand your post saying “is supposed to make you think all is well. The whole 1% chance of it happening should explain that”

I said; “This 100 year stuff is jsut something for gov types to say to make the public think all is well”.

Didn’t we just say the same thing?

I heard “This is the 100 year (include the disaster of your choice) far more times than I can even remember. It’s a falsehood to make the public think all is well. Major (100 year) events can happen four or five times every hundred years. We’ve had TWO hundred year floods in North Louisiana since 1991. (1991 and 2016)
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No, not even close the exact opposite in fact. I was quoting your post hence “” and highlighting what YOU said. Again you don’t seem to understand percentages. Zero percent means none…so nothing about the term is to make you think all is well…it’s to make you think “this is bad”

Again, it’s blatantly obvious you don’t understand how this works lol
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
Holy shit the South just cannot get a break this year...

Prayers to everyone in the path of this new one and those affected by Helene. MAINTAIN LOCAL COMMS AND ESTABLISH CLEAR CHANNELS FOR ALL. No tolerance is to be given for any fucktard business from the powers that be.
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And remember, disposing of a body during a hurricane makes it really hard for anyone to id you!

;-)

Hang tough guys….. we are all pulling for you!

Sirhr
 
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mosin46 said:
yea andrew was unreal. damage so bad closed holmstead AFB for keeps. i drove thru naranja 2 years after and it still looked like dresden in ww2. if it had gone in 20m farher no,the damage would have been 5x the $. holmstead and naranja were at best mid/mid class and mostly lower. coral gables and palmetto bay/pinecrest not the same. i am afraid of what this will do to tampa and the suncoast. gonna be nucl level bad i fear.
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I was up North when Andrew happened. But went through Hugo just months after moving to Eastern NC.

Seemed like a good time for a hurricane party. Until it wasn’t. I took hurricanes really seriously after that.

Hang tough, FL!!!
 
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Inifinty said:
Its about timing. Right now NHC shows landfall at approx 7PM.

Tide will have started rising in St Pete. at 4pm. Wednesday afternoon and will start to peak around 4am the next morning.

The approach angle though is what is so bad. Tide is not a worse case scenario but it is not helping.
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And now in the latest NHC update issued at 4PM on the 11th, landfall has been pushed back 6 hours to 1AM Thursday. Which is well into the rising high tide.
 
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rustyinbend said:
I'm not believing the "100-year storm" thing anymore. How many 100-year storms have we had in the last 10 years? Answer: Several. The fact that Hurricane Milton went from a Tropical Storm to a Cat-5 Hurricane in 24 hours, is just stunning. My fear is that this is the new "normal".
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Well eat some bugs and turn all your electricity off. Then start shitting in a bucket.
Its your fault storms are this bad.



You climate changers just cant read i reckon.

Storms arent getting worse. Not one scuntilla of evidence that they are.
They are tearing up more shit, cause theres so much more shit to be torn up.
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
Well eat some bugs and turn all your electricity off. Then start shitting in a bucket.
Its your fault storms are this bad.



You climate changers just cant read i reckon.

Storms arent getting worse. Not one scuntilla of evidence that they are.
They are tearing up more shit, cause theres so much more shit to be torn up.
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And denser populations…

People keep talking about the VT flooding as the “100 year storm…” and saying it’s all man made climate change… bullshit!

No… more like the 20 year storms. And that is called… weather… not climate change.

The Blizzard Of 1888 (described as a snow hurricane) killed 400 people and wiped out whole towns.

The flood of 1913.that hit the East and Midwest.

We had the flood of ‘27 which was like Chimney Rick. Several towns wiped. Raging water 20’feet deep in some towns…

Then we caught the Hurricane of ‘38 that wiped out Long Island and tore up the Connecticut valley.

Then we had a break until the flood of 84. And again in 92.

The ice storm of 1996 or so that mostly hit Quebec and Norttern vt with 6” of ice in some places

Then Valentines Day Blizzard in 2008 (48” of snow in 24 hours)

Hurricane Irene in 2011 cleaned out the black river valley… again at near Chimney rock levels.

Then 2023 put our state capitol under 6 feet of water (that was Great!!!).

And we got whacked again in 2024…


So none of this is new… if you look at history. We get major flooding every few years. And the nature of mountains is that v-shaped valleys amplify the water depth and force. And when you all build your McMansions on river banks to get a nice view… (Or in the old days your wool mills and saw mills) they are going to get wiped out!

Florida and the gulf coast have been whacked by hurricanes since time immorial… but guess what… until they invented the air conditioner and drained the swamps and Stamped out Malaria in the latter parts of the 20tj century… most of the places that are now casinos and Disney Pedo magnets and resort/retirement communities weren’t there so no one cared!!

But ask anyone from the Galveston area about what happened to that island about 1900. Because Galveston was a major port and densely populated… when a hurricane turned it into a pool table and thousands became fish food.

People started to noice hurricanes all of a sudden!

Ask the crew of the Atocha (and dozens of other Spanish Galleons) that got smashed on the Florida coast and sank without a trace…

Hurricanes are nothing new. People living in Hurricane zones (in densely-packed insect-hive communities)… are new.

Sucks for folks who have enjoyed some Goldilocks years of “just right.” But those gaps are the anomaly not the norm. And the norm is that the coast gets scrubbed with frightening regularity.

Well… just wait for the next glaciers to advance…. Because the cycle is gonna hit someday. And 8 billion folks aren’t going to pack into a few tropics miles of coastline and remote islands. And they aren’t going to eat ice for 100k years while the ice is covering the world’s breadbasket.

So we better get working on those space
Stations. Because we are going to need ‘em’

Again… hoping for the best for FL…. And it’s good people. Well, not the Disney pedos. Or the wierd ones that keep showing up at Wal Mart with their alligator sex slaves and a meth habit.


Meh, maybe the pythons that Andrew released will all drown? Or Disney World could be wiped clean and then there would be no more bad Star Wars movies and Disney Princesses who used to be Princes

So there is that!!!

Sirhr
 
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folks along the coast of mexico must be getting it right now. maybe it will scrape off some energy.

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akmike47 said:
Doesn’t Tampa have shallow bays that have weakened storms before?
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Most of the water inside of Tampa Bay is considerably less than 20' deep. That is, with the exception of the shipping channels.

The gulf along the west coast of Florida is very shallow until you get 20-30 miles off shore.

Unfortunately, this helps create storm surge with the proper winds.
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
And denser populations…

People keep talking about the VT flooding as the “100 year storm…” and saying it’s all man made climate change… bullshit!

No… more like the 20 year storms. And that is called… weather… not climate change.

The Blizzard Of 1888 (described as a snow hurricane) killed 400 people and wiped out whole towns.

The flood of 1913.that hit the East and Midwest.

We had the flood of ‘27 which was like Chimney Rick. Several towns wiped. Raging water 20’feet deep in some towns…

Then we caught the Hurricane of ‘38 that wiped out Long Island and tore up the Connecticut valley.

Then we had a break until the flood of 84. And again in 92.

The ice storm of 1996 or so that mostly hit Quebec and Norttern vt with 6” of ice in some places

Then Valentines Day Blizzard in 2008 (48” of snow in 24 hours)

Hurricane Irene in 2011 cleaned out the black river valley… again at near Chimney rock levels.

Then 2023 put our state capitol under 6 feet of water (that was Great!!!).

And we got whacked again in 2024…


So none of this is new… if you look at history. We get major flooding every few years. And the nature of mountains is that v-shaped valleys amplify the water depth and force. And when you all build your McMansions on river banks to get a nice view… (Or in the old days your wool mills and saw mills) they are going to get wiped out!

Florida and the gulf coast have been whacked by hurricanes since time immorial… but guess what… until they invented the air conditioner and drained the swamps and Stamped out Malaria in the latter parts of the 20tj century… most of the places that are now casinos and Disney Pedo magnets and resort/retirement communities weren’t there so no one cared!!

But ask anyone from the Galveston area about what happened to that island about 1900. Because Galveston was a major port and densely populated… when a hurricane turned it into a pool table and thousands became fish food.

People started to noice hurricanes all of a sudden!

Ask the crew of the Atocha (and dozens of other Spanish Galleons) that got smashed on the Florida coast and sank without a trace…

Hurricanes are nothing new. People living in Hurricane zones (in densely-packed insect-hive communities)… are new.

Sucks for folks who have enjoyed some Goldilocks years of “just right.” But those gaps are the anomaly not the norm. And the norm is that the coast gets scrubbed with frightening regularity.

Well… just wait for the next glaciers to advance…. Because the cycle is gonna hit someday. And 8 billion folks aren’t going to pack into a few tropics miles of coastline and remote islands. And they aren’t going to eat ice for 100k years while the ice is covering the world’s breadbasket.

So we better get working on those space
Stations. Because we are going to need ‘em’

Again… hoping for the best for FL…. And it’s good people. Well, not the Disney pedos. Or the wierd ones that keep showing up at Wal Mart with their alligator sex slaves and a meth habit.


Meh, maybe the pythons that Andrew released will all drown? Or Disney World could be wiped clean and then there would be no more bad Star Wars movies and Disney Princesses who used to be Princes

So there is that!!!

Sirhr
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Good rant. Hope that you’re having some good bourbon right now. I can’t disagree and wish there was some more actual critical thinking amongst the leftist elite. But then maybe they know well what they do and are playing the fiddle for sheep that just must believe there’s a lazy man’s paradise for sheeples.
 
#65
lash said:
Good rant. Hope that you’re having some good bourbon right now. I can’t disagree and wish there was some more actual critical thinking amongst the leftist elite. But then maybe they know well what they do and are playing the fiddle for sheep that just must believe there’s a lazy man’s paradise for sheeples.
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Cold sober… just a normal rant! I rant better sober!

Sirhr
 
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Most Atlantic hurricane seasons prior to the weather satellite era include seven or fewer recorded tropical storms or hurricanes. As the usage of satellite data was not available until the mid-1960s, early storm counts are less reliable. Before the advent of the airplane or means of tracking storms, the ones recorded were storms that affected mainly populated areas. An undercount bias of zero to six tropical cyclones per year between 1851 and 1885 and zero to four per year between 1886 and 1910 has been estimated.[3]

With the advent of the satellite came better and more accurate weather tracking. The first satellites sent into space to monitor the weather were known as Television Infrared Observation Satellites (TIROS). In 1961, Hurricane Esther was the first hurricane to be "discovered" through satellite readings.[4] Although this modern invention was now available, the systems were initially not fully active enough to provide daily images of the storms.[5] Data for the North Atlantic region remained sparse as late as 1964 due to a lack of complete satellite coverage.[6]

Due to the above factors, terms such as "ever" or "on record" should be interpreted to mean "since sometime between 1964 and 1978".

Keep the above in mind....before you look at the "data" and just throw out "facts" about the storms trending worse.

After the week ive had talking to friends in WNC i have zero fucking patience for crusading cunts yammering about climate change...Fucking. Zero.

List of Atlantic hurricane records - Wikipedia

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Some more light reading for you:

The 1780 Atlantic hurricane season was extraordinarily destructive and was the deadliest Atlantic hurricane season in recorded history with over 25,000 deaths. Four different hurricanes, three in October and one in June, caused at least 1,000 deaths each; this event has never been repeated and only in the 1893 and 2005 seasons were there two such hurricanes. The season also held the deadliest Atlantic tropical cyclone of all time.

List of Atlantic hurricanes in the 18th century - Wikipedia

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sirhrmechanic said:
And denser populations…

People keep talking about the VT flooding as the “100 year storm…” and saying it’s all man made climate change… bullshit!

No… more like the 20 year storms. And that is called… weather… not climate change.

The Blizzard Of 1888 (described as a snow hurricane) killed 400 people and wiped out whole towns.

The flood of 1913.that hit the East and Midwest.

We had the flood of ‘27 which was like Chimney Rick. Several towns wiped. Raging water 20’feet deep in some towns…

Then we caught the Hurricane of ‘38 that wiped out Long Island and tore up the Connecticut valley.

Then we had a break until the flood of 84. And again in 92.

The ice storm of 1996 or so that mostly hit Quebec and Norttern vt with 6” of ice in some places

Then Valentines Day Blizzard in 2008 (48” of snow in 24 hours)

Hurricane Irene in 2011 cleaned out the black river valley… again at near Chimney rock levels.

Then 2023 put our state capitol under 6 feet of water (that was Great!!!).

And we got whacked again in 2024…


So none of this is new… if you look at history. We get major flooding every few years. And the nature of mountains is that v-shaped valleys amplify the water depth and force. And when you all build your McMansions on river banks to get a nice view… (Or in the old days your wool mills and saw mills) they are going to get wiped out!

Florida and the gulf coast have been whacked by hurricanes since time immorial… but guess what… until they invented the air conditioner and drained the swamps and Stamped out Malaria in the latter parts of the 20tj century… most of the places that are now casinos and Disney Pedo magnets and resort/retirement communities weren’t there so no one cared!!

But ask anyone from the Galveston area about what happened to that island about 1900. Because Galveston was a major port and densely populated… when a hurricane turned it into a pool table and thousands became fish food.

People started to noice hurricanes all of a sudden!

Ask the crew of the Atocha (and dozens of other Spanish Galleons) that got smashed on the Florida coast and sank without a trace…

Hurricanes are nothing new. People living in Hurricane zones (in densely-packed insect-hive communities)… are new.

Sucks for folks who have enjoyed some Goldilocks years of “just right.” But those gaps are the anomaly not the norm. And the norm is that the coast gets scrubbed with frightening regularity.

Well… just wait for the next glaciers to advance…. Because the cycle is gonna hit someday. And 8 billion folks aren’t going to pack into a few tropics miles of coastline and remote islands. And they aren’t going to eat ice for 100k years while the ice is covering the world’s breadbasket.

So we better get working on those space
Stations. Because we are going to need ‘em’

Again… hoping for the best for FL…. And it’s good people. Well, not the Disney pedos. Or the wierd ones that keep showing up at Wal Mart with their alligator sex slaves and a meth habit.


Meh, maybe the pythons that Andrew released will all drown? Or Disney World could be wiped clean and then there would be no more bad Star Wars movies and Disney Princesses who used to be Princes

So there is that!!!

Sirhr
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akmike47 said:
Why didn’t they just have someone open it? Lol if it’s the counties the residents will have to pay to fix it.
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I think Pinellas County is run by liberals. They said "fuck you" to DeSantis and he said "fuck you, hold my beer".

Personally, I'm glad to see it.
 
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akmike47 said:
Ah ok, I don’t know shit about it
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Yeah, I'm not sure either. But, I think it was the chief of police of some city in Pinellas County that issued the "no guns" directive just recently. I think DeSantis basically just said "fuck that noise".

Nope, I was wrong. Okeechobee County.

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Florida city illegally bans firearm and ammunition sales, CCW during Hurricane Helene

The City of Okeechobee violated Florida's powerful preemption statute.
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Threadcutter308 said:
I think Pinellas County is run by liberals.
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How ironic that Hurricane Milton…. Is threatening to create a Paradise Lost on a liberal town.

You know… corrupted earth and all that.

Some will get that.

Lucifer, Mammon, Beelzebub and Moloch be chuckling, too!

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akmike47 said:
Why didn’t they just have someone open it? Lol if it’s the counties the residents will have to pay to fix it.
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Threadcutter308 said:
I think Pinellas County is run by liberals. They said "fuck you" to DeSantis and he said "fuck you", hold my beer.

Personally, I'm glad to see it.
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Sometimes the county doesn’t actually own the dump or satellite sites. Our county doesn’t own ours, it is owned by GFL. They struck a deal with the county to build and maintain the dump and what they call convenience sites. The county gets something in return I’m sure.

Recently the county board approved an annual usage fee for the convenience sites, it was 85 bucks a year. GFL stepped in and said no, apparently the deal struck when they built the dump was the convenience sites were free to county residents. They said if the county kept the annual fee, they would close the dump and turn it over to the county. The county didn’t want that, so they reversed the action to charge the annual fee.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
Yeah, I'm not sure either. But, I think it was the chief of police of some city in Pinellas County that issued the "no guns" directive just recently. I think DeSantis basically just said "fuck that noise".

Nope, I was wrong. Okeechobee County.

thegunwriter.substack.com

Florida city illegally bans firearm and ammunition sales, CCW during Hurricane Helene

The City of Okeechobee violated Florida's powerful preemption statute.
thegunwriter.substack.com thegunwriter.substack.com
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Nonetheless, the Sheriff in Pinellas County (Bob Gualtieri) is like minded to the one in Okeechobee. Perhaps even more so. He's one of the most anti-gun Sheriffs around. I'm sure he'd have tried to circumvent DeSantis' order to not prohibit firearm transactions, etc.

Actually, when I first read your post, that's what I was thinking..... (that Gualtieri was doing some Anti-2A stuff).
 
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My in-laws live near Naples but inland, a few miles east of I75. We tried talking them into at least going across to Ft Lauderdale or just driving way north to avoid the worst of it. They’re stubborn and hemmed & hawed so now they’re out of time and will have to stay. And, their storm shutters are lost somewhere in a dark corner of their garage.
 
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mosin46 said:
yea andrew was unreal. damage so bad closed holmstead AFB for keeps. i drove thru naranja 2 years after and it still looked like dresden in ww2. if it had gone in 20m farher no,the damage would have been 5x the $. holmstead and naranja were at best mid/mid class and mostly lower. coral gables and palmetto bay/pinecrest not the same. i am afraid of what this will do to tampa and the suncoast. gonna be nucl level bad i fear.
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Homestead was reopened. It found itself on the BRAC list. Last I knew it was a reserve base with a few thousand active and reserve. Passed through a couple years after Andrew on my way to somewhere.
 
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akmike47 said:
Why didn’t they just have someone open it? Lol if it’s the counties the residents will have to pay to fix it.
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There were issues with people being turned away while it was open and cops threatening arrest.

This was, for sure, DeSantis showing that under declared emergency, the state is in charge.
Florida has a really good emergency management plan.
The landfill being closed, was a slap in the face to residents of Pinellas County and to the emergency management plan.
 
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Mike Casselton said:
There were issues with people being turned away while it was open and cops threatening arrest.

This was, for sure, DeSantis showing that under declared emergency, the state is in charge.
Florida has a really good emergency management plan.
The landfill being closed, was a slap in the face to residents of Pinellas County and to the emergency management plan.
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Isn’t getting rid of loose debris “before”
A hurricane critical Element of preparedness?

Loose construction debris. Junk. Garbage…. Get it in landfill and out of yards, alleys and construction sites.

Closing disposal sites seems like a recipe for amplified damage. Maybe that’s the plan!

Cheers!

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The dumps have hours long lines, Pinellas is over 3hr. People shouldn’t have been clearing the debris out of buildings and homes and into the streets during an extreme hurricane season without hauling it immediately. That was incredibly stupid and they’ll never get it all hauled in time. Pasco has been piling the debris on some county lots in residential areas because the dump can’t handle all of it and it’s still going to become projectiles just in a different area that isn’t already wrecked by the last storm.

I doubt there’s any conspiracy behind any of it, just stupidity from poor leadership.

If this thing hits where and how it’s supposed to the garbage is honestly the least of the concerns. This storm is going to seriously fuck up Tampas critical infrastructure. Macdill is going to take a hell of a hit too. Most of the sea walls were totally washed out behind them from the last storm and have little strength and will be easily compromised. Foundations of buildings will be eroded away once that happens.
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
The dumps have hours long lines, Pinellas is over 3hr. People shouldn’t have been clearing the debris out of buildings and homes and into the streets during an extreme hurricane season without hauling it immediately. That was incredibly stupid and they’ll never get it all hauled in time. Pasco has been piling the debris on some county lots in residential areas because the dump can’t handle all of it and it’s still going to become projectiles just in a different area that isn’t already wrecked by the last storm.

I doubt there’s any conspiracy behind any of it, just stupidity from poor leadership.

If this thing hits where and how it’s supposed to the garbage is honestly the least of the concerns. This storm is going to seriously fuck up Tampas critical infrastructure. Macdill is going to take a hell of a hit too. Most of the sea walls were totally washed out behind them from the last storm and have little strength and will be easily compromised. Foundations of buildings will be eroded away once that happens.
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Great time for Centcom to be whacked… meh, their backup facility will hopefully be safe….

Sirhr
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Isn’t getting rid of loose debris “before”
A hurricane critical Element of preparedness?

Loose construction debris. Junk. Garbage…. Get it in landfill and out of yards, alleys and construction sites.

Closing disposal sites seems like a recipe for amplified damage. Maybe that’s the plan!

Cheers!

Sirhr
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Leftist run county and city should tell you all you need to know.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
I think Pinellas County is run by liberals. They said "fuck you" to DeSantis and he said "fuck you, hold my beer".

Personally, I'm glad to see it.
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been flaming lefties since 60s at least.
macdill gonna get bad stuff. it is right on the bay,low and nothing high except towers etc. reserve unit i s was in,if in same place,is gonna get trashed as well. right on the bay tampa side of gandy bridge. both likely to end up like homestead afb after andrew. a lot of bases in FL. target rich for hurricanes and other players.
 
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akmike47 said:
Shitty part is they only have other storm fucked places to go really without driving far as hell for sure
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Very true. I was telling a friend last night...closest freaking area would be Panama City, FWB, Pensacola. Maybe Brunswick and Savannah (though I think they had damage too from Helene). Next is Montgomery or Atlanta!!! Or go to Miami area.

Not looking good. Always amazed though where I lived in Pinellas (at one point) shows little potential for surge, yet it was darn close to the bay and the backwaters. Got two friends still there; one near Orlando (slightly north) and another in South Melbourne area. I think Melbourne will be okay as far as the WORST wind goes; unless the thing goes a bit more to south, then they're screwed. Orlando...screwed. Tampa Bay Metro (Hillsboro, Pinellas, Pasco) ...screwed. That said, Polk county will be fine....Grady will shoot and then arrest the corpse of Milton (in all seriousness I'm sure Grady is already telling would be looters....you WILL be shot).
 
#97
mosin46 said:
yea andrew was unreal. damage so bad closed holmstead AFB for keeps. i drove thru naranja 2 years after and it still looked like dresden in ww2. if it had gone in 20m farher no,the damage would have been 5x the $. holmstead and naranja were at best mid/mid class and mostly lower. coral gables and palmetto bay/pinecrest not the same. i am afraid of what this will do to tampa and the suncoast. gonna be nucl level bad i fear.
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The only "good" thing about Andrew is that was the FIRST storm to really bring up code standards; which I think have been increased a few times since then. As long as one's roof doesn't come off; and the windows covered (by wood or corregated sheets), then the wind shouldn't be near the problem it was. Granted, if it hits at 150+mph...forget it. Tampa Bay will be wiped out.
 
#98
EddieNFL said:
…and SOCOM.
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The snake eaters will be fine… the folks focused on Iran and ME are going to be a bit distracted. Even if the bases are GTG… they have homes families kids pets schools… all in the path.

That is never good for readiness!!

But stay safe and hang Tough.

Sirhr
 
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I lived in Florida (Clearwater area) for a while and survived Elana (easy CAT2) and Andrew. Andrew was a mother fucking bruiser of a storm! Even a few hundered miles away I saw 75MPH winds. I hope MIlton chills out and doesn't follow suit! I feel for the folks in Tampa! God protect them!
 
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