I'll add this too. I hope it's a different bullet design. I've always wanted to see hornady make a high BC BTHP bullet. Seen too many issues with plastic tip bullets.
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Hornady is making knockoff/clone bullets (Aeromatch)
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Per my long conversation with Hornady tech support today, they are clones as much as possible.
Go back and read my posts in this thread. I am not going to re write them for you because you are too lazy to read the thread. Your questions were answered on page 1.
No need to be a smartass because you were too dense to read what was laid out clearly in front of you. If you’ve ever looked at a Berger hybrid and a Hornady HPBT you would know they don’t look the same. Their profiles are obviously different. So unless Hornady is using Bergers or JLKs for there videos and images, it’s not the same bullet as a HPBT.
Then Kevin B. will copy it, secretly patent it, put it in his latest gun called the "Candy Mongoose" or some gay pride sounding shit, and dub the round the "8.6 Rainbow Warrior" and go around claiming he designed and developed it for the Special-Ed Ops Whiteout Diddy Missions and that he uses baby oil on the bullets before seating them...
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Because somehow I skipped over that information he posted earlier and I did not triple read every post. So my apologies for not reading every post. I mean he/she was playing middle man between hornady tech and here on the hide sooo is he/she not tech support? Are we supposed to take that word to the bank? Is there any validity to the statements made about the "color codes" ? I'm here for information and poking fun at the hornady marketing machine. Only time will tell i suppose.
There's plenty to go off of. Like the video which I also posted: "One thing we hear from a lot of shooters when we're out at competitions, we're out at the field, is availability of some of the very common hollow point boattail designs that are out there. A lot of shooters love these bullets. They have good aerodynamics, they shoot good groups. The problem is availability and getting enough of them of one lot to make it through a match, a life of a barrel, a couple years worth of supplies, so you don't have to keep changing your load. The arrow match line of bullets addresses all of those issues."
"You don't have to change your dies, you don't have to change your loads, you don't have to change anything to switch from your popular profile other brand to these."
They are telling you they are copies in as clear of terms as they can without violating copyright and trademark laws.
The bullets don't match the BCs of Hornady's existing HPBT match bullets. But the 105s are exactly the same as the BCs of Berger hybrid targets.
LOL @ the guys in this thread saying they're not blatant copies of Berger Hybrids for 140's and 105's and SMK's for 77's and 175's.
They're not hiding the ball, they're not even being coy about it. They're saying everything short of, "We made identical bullets to our competitors because our competitors haven't kept anything in stock for 4 fucking years, and people really like the design of those projectiles."
If the quality and price are there, I'm game. They said they'll sell in boxes of 500 and cases of 3k. A box of 3k is a pretty good number to burn out a 6mm barrel so lot to lot consistency wouldn't be as important to me. Love to see more options out there.
Also don't feel terribly bad for Henderson. Great company and a great product, but the biggest complaint about it is the lack of a micrometer adjustment. Looks like Hornady picked up on that and made some more minor improvements in their own design. If they're making it for not $700, it'll be a hit.
They're not hiding the ball, they're not even being coy about it. They're saying everything short of, "We made identical bullets to our competitors because our competitors haven't kept anything in stock for 4 fucking years, and people really like the design of those projectiles."
If the quality and price are there, I'm game. They said they'll sell in boxes of 500 and cases of 3k. A box of 3k is a pretty good number to burn out a 6mm barrel so lot to lot consistency wouldn't be as important to me. Love to see more options out there.
Also don't feel terribly bad for Henderson. Great company and a great product, but the biggest complaint about it is the lack of a micrometer adjustment. Looks like Hornady picked up on that and made some more minor improvements in their own design. If they're making it for not $700, it'll be a hit.
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And if your assumption is true, that’s a hell of a way to commit market / marketing suicide. I guess I don’t believe in Hornady’s corporate greed as much as you.
I mean it was kinda laughable when they announced the DVRT tips. I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to brands. I'm loyal to none.And if your assumption is true, that’s a hell of a way to commit market / marketing suicide. I guess I don’t believe in Hornady’s corporate greed as much as you.
The 107s have been pretty spotty this year.
But I doubt they clone that bullet.
They aren't as hard to find as others for sure. Makes me wonder if they weren't making them for OEM contracts for Black Hills or other manufacturers we don't know about yet and they had enough capacity to offer it to the public.
Hornady makes a 77gr bullet for AAC (Palmetto State). They also make the bullet for AAC's 168gr 308. And a 140 bthp 6.5 for them. I would be very surprised is these aren't the same as those. The BCs are a little different, but that could be measurement error.
Brunos has .22 69gr and 77gr TMK, 6.5mm 130gr and 140gr TMK and TGK in stock.
At this point TMK is pretty easy to find.
