I'm not even joking when I say there is like a 50/50 chance that people will look at this and say, "well they weren't nuclear so it was just a bluff."
Not sure what Trump is going to do but he can't get inaugurated fast enough at this pace.
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The war in Ukraine and Donbas
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Not sure what Trump is going to do but he can't get inaugurated fast enough at this pace.
My guess is it was for a couple reasons.
1. Well you might be about to need to use your ICBMs to do their job of launching nuclear weapons at your enemies, if so, you might actually want to make sure they work, and work when you need to fire a bunch of them, not just a random single 1 that you wait for perfect conditions for a test launch.
2. You want your enemies to know that your systems actually work and actually can launch in numbers and actually can hit their targets.
3. If your enemies don't take the hint and still want to force WWIII into happening, your missile launch crews need actual training and you need actual feedback of how everything went and any issues or things to improve, so it's much like a practice wargame drill.
I'll bet all the rest of those missiles are fitted out with their proper nukes not some little conventional explosives.
I'd not be surprised if our evil government is willing to let Europe get nuked and hope that it stays all in Europe and Russia and doesn't boil over fully to the USA being on the receiving end. The problem is you know once you start the snowball rolling, it could quickly become like Oprah everybody getting a shiny new rocket...
I'd bet not.
Brandon doesn't run anything or know anything.
They just let him sleep while those actually running the country had a few chats.
If they need Brandon to say something they will hop him up on meds and promise him ice cream and little girls and then he'll trot out and give a performance and then trot back to get his ice cream.
RE: Effectiveness of US air power in Vietnam.
It should be noted that for the entire duration of U.S. involvement in the SEA theater, all air operations were attempting to operate within an incredible number of constraints. Most key targets were off limits. Most of the strikes were made after giving Hanoi a heads-up of what our plans were.
Just like the ground war, the air war was doomed to fail because the administration wouldn't let the war fighters fight to win.
It should be noted that for the entire duration of U.S. involvement in the SEA theater, all air operations were attempting to operate within an incredible number of constraints. Most key targets were off limits. Most of the strikes were made after giving Hanoi a heads-up of what our plans were.
Just like the ground war, the air war was doomed to fail because the administration wouldn't let the war fighters fight to win.
Well i had some anxious minutes when iran's missiles were in the air going to israel a couple of months ago so i guess a few in a mountain in Colorado were not aware they were breathing .
Agreed.
Brandon was fucking never in the loop on this. Just as he is never in the true loop of any key US decisions.
I would definitely love to have been a fly on the wall to see the expressions on the face of our nerds monitoring the DSP satellites that detected the launch!
Because of the short transit to target, I'm sure there was a very compressed time frame to detect, ID, track and predict. I'm guessing all 24 of the vehicles were in their terminal phase before anybody got their underwear in a wad.
Not a bad reason for that, you ever heard of the time US special forces tried to create a massive flood and kill tens of thousands of civilians in Syria?
Fighting ISIS of all people and using a work-a-round to call bunker busters down on a huge dam that was explicitly on the no strike list.
Maybe it's another cherry picked story.
Over-site is necessary but political interference in war is just something that is as old as war it's self.
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i think he is still first in-line for nuclear release authority .....the hoe is next
Black Bird flew multiple missions over Nam.
One of my fav was Gaddafi's speech being interrupted by a Black Bird sonic boom.
I don't think they got the memo, its right next to WWE in article importance.
Video of the individual 4 x MIRVs in each package x 6.
Video quality is still grainy but location is close enough to clearly distinguish the individual vehicles.
Video quality is still grainy but location is close enough to clearly distinguish the individual vehicles.
This is a thread, not your blog post about yourself.
All wars have a political bent, that's just how it works.
We are watching something that has happened for the first time in human history and you can't help but talk about yourself because you feel butthurt about a basic conversation and thought it was a personally attack or something.
It's fucking pathetic.
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westmoreland was the wrong general for that place ,hell he could not secure the south he was hell bent on finding a place were 2 armies could go at it .....giap would not give it to him.......the north was not target rich either but very well defended
gentlemen this is a war thread there is no fighting in a war thread ................peter sellers loosely
US Military has not been allowed to "fight to win" since WW2
"800,000 NATO troops". Someone break out that "800,000" minus the US combat power. I am very biased on this - saw it in Iraq where US claimed we were a "coalition" of 38+ nations when those nations contribute one (1) Liaison officer, etc. Bet Germany cannot out one (1) ground combat division (15,000) on the ground. Bet Great Britain cannot put more than one (1) Brigade (3000) on the ground.
Half the US Army Ground Combat Power in the Army National Guard so watch for the mobilization of ALL the Army National Guard ground combat Brigades (mostly Red States too).
Yeah, the NYP and others are pulling numbers out of their ass to get clicks on their drama pieces.
If we can just keep scaring the public, surely they will trade us their liberty and freedom for a perceived protection. Right?
At Mach 15, even a brick makes a pretty good statement.
Canada’s resources are dwarfed by a single US NG unit. The members and equipment are not in shape for any real challenge either.
still no real details...not that we could trust them anyway.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Russia Strikes Ukrainian Defense Plant in Dnepropetrovsk Using Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles for the First Time in Warfare (VIDEOS) | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran
As we stare into the future of the war in Ukraine, we now have daily escalations from both sides, each scarier than the next.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
still no real details...not that we could trust them anyway.
Russia Strikes Ukrainian Defense Plant in Dnepropetrovsk Using Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles for the First Time in Warfare (VIDEOS) | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran
As we stare into the future of the war in Ukraine, we now have daily escalations from both sides, each scarier than the next.
Reports vary one the type of missle.
Love to see that - we cannot control shop lifters but we are going to force current generation to war? Start with all the Congress/Senate kids first, please.
Europe? Traditional aka white kids not joining NATO militaries - their government hates their own citizens. The immigrants going to war for NATO?
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Curious what it was, if those videos are legit it sure looked like a MIRV and moving oftly fast.
Farther down in the article an unnamed expert says the following, the X-47M2 is hypersonic I think but so may be the cruise missiles ... may have been 3M22 Zircons.
ETA: Haven't watched any videos, any videos you see at MSM places like CNN, etc. might bt stock footage of unrelated missile launches.
Are you all seriously brain damaged or what? Really you participate in thread about global politics and you display level of autism reserved for “special forces in downtown lunatic asylum”.
It was ICBM displayed kinetic warheads (cluster of them) in display of ability to launch, target and hit pretty much irrelevant target as it could hit kyev instead. As with any icmb west was put on notice “we will launch this and this roughly there and there” (hence the embassy warning) clearly showing (backgorund stuff -> detect, time to impact, what we can do to mitigate and who would be hurt if russians would not notify and target something like Brussels) to both politicians and populace alike -> change your trajectory OR ELSE.
You have a privilege of seeing warhead not doing airburst and vaporizing stuff not many of people have seen it especially outside test area. Really you should pay attention and this is much closer to end times than cuba ever was. This is stuff books and movies will be writt/made about if we survive through it as a species.
It was ICBM displayed kinetic warheads (cluster of them) in display of ability to launch, target and hit pretty much irrelevant target as it could hit kyev instead. As with any icmb west was put on notice “we will launch this and this roughly there and there” (hence the embassy warning) clearly showing (backgorund stuff -> detect, time to impact, what we can do to mitigate and who would be hurt if russians would not notify and target something like Brussels) to both politicians and populace alike -> change your trajectory OR ELSE.
You have a privilege of seeing warhead not doing airburst and vaporizing stuff not many of people have seen it especially outside test area. Really you should pay attention and this is much closer to end times than cuba ever was. This is stuff books and movies will be writt/made about if we survive through it as a species.
Well colleagues that work in BW , said they run some wargames and whole BW was only able to defend a single major German city and after 3days ran out of ammo,and they estimate 3days was actually great overestimation of stocks.
At present Germany needs 10y to rearm to be able to do basic defense,let alone go to an offensive anywhere.
No, way. BS threat by Russia. They are not that stupid. They know that the US would have no choice but to respond. They really do not want the US or NATO anymore involved than it is already. A direct attack on a US base would bring a pretty direct result and might even result in Congress declaring war.
This is just saber rattling.
I wonder how much tech Ukrainians have sold/traded to the Russians, not to mention the stuff of ours abandoned and destroyed they’ve collected
Curious how you can form an opinion on a video and go to the trouble of posting without actually seeing the video.
The multiple videos posted are obviously not via MSM.
They are from multiple different sources and different angles of the same event as well.
They are obviously not stock footage.
Even an average joe that looks at the videos can view the approach angles as well as the multiple reentry objects and come to the conclusion it was not Zircons or any other cruise missile or hypersonic package.
Us can respond of course and that is the whole point you dumbwit! IT US that is actively attacking Russia via Ukrop proxy and only proper response (minus restraint) would be to either hit US base (domestically not abroad) or sink a major ship. You want to escalate sure its scorched earth… Without humans to populate earth who will judge who was right? You think god? If so and are willing to die for your opinion and conviction GO and fight for Ukrops or shit the fuck up about who is bluffing or who is about to respond. In my view Russia has shown EXCEPTIONAL restraint (proved by a death count of Israel fuckers) and if they chose to end the planet i would fully understand their decision in wiping out you first and all the rest as a consequence.
I dont think too many of us thought brandon was gonna go full retard for his last 60 days and do things like STAB the bear .
I figured they would, bidens just the scapegoat
pretty much OT but-you air power fans are v.likely right re VN. use of air as in ww2 might have been the end gamer. the disaster of mishandling VN is well known with many beliefs in play. macnamara's retarded incremental escalation,lbj's wanting to push his (communist) great society,complete ignorance of asian mentality,fear of china coming in,fear of the bear in europe,starting problems in ME. china wasn't coming in like in korea. that was a big mess for mao although he got away with it. cultural rev/great leap forward was in play and that was mao's big thing. chinese and viets been enemies for centuries. next war they fought was against each other. china did help nva mostly to compete with russia (VN's biggest supporter) for east block creds. our generals trying to fight ww2 again. getting involved in what was a foreign essentially civil war. the VC were not invading calif. didn't help race issues at all. complete unforgivable disaster costing millions of lives,billions of $ and almost destroying our country. did destroy the military,needing > 10 years to fix.
and our insane "leaders" did it again in ME and working on the final chapter in ukraine,ME again and maybe tiawan. i fear it is more than 1 man with even dozens helping can do to fix.
Link the video if you want it to be seen.
I didn't form an opinion on any particular video.
I voiced an opinion that videos from MSM sources are often stock footage as indicated by the words "might be".
The words you responed to with the cute little "NO" picture were quoted from an article I read from the HigHLy ReLiaBlE source CNN who claim that's what someone in Ukraine's military said. I think I clearly indicated they were not my words but the words of an unnamed expert. Since he also claimed they were some cruise missiles I took a guess at what they might be.
I obviously haven't examined the wreckage as you have which is why I didn't claim anything was fact.
Since the earlier post I've seen an article that says Russia claims it was an intermediate range missile capable of delivering multiple warheads. Maybe to some a distinction without a difference.
My only observation in the original post was that reports on the type of missile varied.
Putin touts Russia's new missile and delivers a menacing warning to NATO
The new ballistic missile fired by Russia struck a military-industrial facility in the central Ukrainian city of Dnipro, but its real mission was delivering a deadly new message to NATO.
apnews.com
Multiple Warheads Strike Dnipro As Russia Launches An Experimental Ballistic Missile
Russian President Vladimir Putin revealed the missile’s name: ‘Oreshnik’.
www.forbes.com
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Si ... multiple warheads.
Call it a ICBM or a IRBM I don't really give a fuck, it's just a technical difference based on max range.
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I think that was a pretty brilliant move on the part of the RU. They are making a statement of capability and constraint at the same time. Their version of "please don't make me do this." I'm not even joking when I say there is like a 50/50 chance that people will look at this and say, "well...
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Or one down from your post
The war in Ukraine and Donbas
I think that was a pretty brilliant move on the part of the RU. They are making a statement of capability and constraint at the same time. Their version of "please don't make me do this." I'm not even joking when I say there is like a 50/50 chance that people will look at this and say, "well...
www.snipershide.com
Luckily Карл called in sick and didn’t mix up the warheads this morning.
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