Rifle Scopes New Schmidt & Bender PM2 6-36x56

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BCX said:
How are those DT35 turrets?
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Haven’t shot this yet just showed up today however the only other scope I have is RAL8000 3-20 Ultra Short with DT27, all I know. They’re tactile and track well no issues, 35 spacing is obviously tighter but I can see the hash marks just fine. Only complaint with these either 27 or 35 the MTC clunk is heavy it’s difficult to dial .1 past the mil tends to hit .2 of the mil
 
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Is anyone experiencing a "difficult" transition from the 1st to the 2nd revolution on the elevation turret (DTII+), specifically right where the revolution indicator is being deployed?

I've had mine since last Spring. My range is 1626 yds, and ever since I got it I haven't needed to go to the 2nd revolution - until the weather got cold and now with the low DAs I just now started needing the 2nd revolution (just barely into it). I had not noticed this until now because I haven't had to use it until now.

I've only got experience with the original DT turret (I have 3) and their transition to 2nd revolution (indicators going from white to yellow) is pretty seamless. On the DTII, it gets really stiff to turn around 16.0-16.3, so much so that I can't even feel the clicks in that range. This is using the turret with the MTC function disabled, I haven't tried it with the MTC engaged.
 
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vh20 said:
Is anyone experiencing a "difficult" transition from the 1st to the 2nd revolution on the elevation turret (DTII+), specifically right where the revolution indicator is being deployed?

I've had mine since last Spring. My range is 1626 yds, and ever since I got it I haven't needed to go to the 2nd revolution - until the weather got cold and now with the low DAs I just now started needing the 2nd revolution (just barely into it). I had not noticed this until now because I haven't had to use it until now.

I've only got experience with the original DT turret (I have 3) and their transition to 2nd revolution (indicators going from white to yellow) is pretty seamless. On the DTII, it gets really stiff to turn around 16.0-16.3, so much so that I can't even feel the clicks in that range. This is using the turret with the MTC function disabled, I haven't tried it with the MTC engaged.
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I had the same issue with mine. S&B offered to take a look at it but EO gave me the option to send it back so I did. They sent out a replacement.
 
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vh20 said:
Is anyone experiencing a "difficult" transition from the 1st to the 2nd revolution on the elevation turret (DTII+), specifically right where the revolution indicator is being deployed?

I've had mine since last Spring. My range is 1626 yds, and ever since I got it I haven't needed to go to the 2nd revolution - until the weather got cold and now with the low DAs I just now started needing the 2nd revolution (just barely into it). I had not noticed this until now because I haven't had to use it until now.

I've only got experience with the original DT turret (I have 3) and their transition to 2nd revolution (indicators going from white to yellow) is pretty seamless. On the DTII, it gets really stiff to turn around 16.0-16.3, so much so that I can't even feel the clicks in that range. This is using the turret with the MTC function disabled, I haven't tried it with the MTC engaged.
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Yea that's an issue... Jerry will have to look at it
 
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vh20 said:
Is anyone experiencing a "difficult" transition from the 1st to the 2nd revolution on the elevation turret (DTII+), specifically right where the revolution indicator is being deployed?

I've had mine since last Spring. My range is 1626 yds, and ever since I got it I haven't needed to go to the 2nd revolution - until the weather got cold and now with the low DAs I just now started needing the 2nd revolution (just barely into it). I had not noticed this until now because I haven't had to use it until now.

I've only got experience with the original DT turret (I have 3) and their transition to 2nd revolution (indicators going from white to yellow) is pretty seamless. On the DTII, it gets really stiff to turn around 16.0-16.3, so much so that I can't even feel the clicks in that range. This is using the turret with the MTC function disabled, I haven't tried it with the MTC engaged.
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No issues with mine. Different model scope but same turrets.
 
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vh20 said:
Is anyone experiencing a "difficult" transition from the 1st to the 2nd revolution on the elevation turret (DTII+), specifically right where the revolution indicator is being deployed?

I've had mine since last Spring. My range is 1626 yds, and ever since I got it I haven't needed to go to the 2nd revolution - until the weather got cold and now with the low DAs I just now started needing the 2nd revolution (just barely into it). I had not noticed this until now because I haven't had to use it until now.

I've only got experience with the original DT turret (I have 3) and their transition to 2nd revolution (indicators going from white to yellow) is pretty seamless. On the DTII, it gets really stiff to turn around 16.0-16.3, so much so that I can't even feel the clicks in that range. This is using the turret with the MTC function disabled, I haven't tried it with the MTC engaged.
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Pull up slightly on the turret as you tighten the set screws. Mine did that when I pushed down on the turret while tightening the set screws.
 
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918v said:
Pull up slightly on the turret as you tighten the set screws. Mine did that when I pushed down on the turret while tightening the set screws.
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Interesting! I probably did keep some firm down pressure on the top of the turret while I tightened the screws after resetting the Zero. I’ll give it a try.
 
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I assume the resistance felt at the transition to the 2nd rev is a deliberate design feature rather than a defect. It ensures that the shooter is aware they are entering the second revolution, even in low/no-light conditions, where visual confirmation of the revolution indicator might be difficult. Perhaps someone at S&B can confirm?
 
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BallisticPrimate said:
I assume the resistance felt at the transition to the 2nd rev is a deliberate design feature rather than a defect. It ensures that the shooter is aware they are entering the second revolution, even in low/no-light conditions, where visual confirmation of the revolution indicator might be difficult. Perhaps someone at S&B can confirm?
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Perhaps a little bit of resistance would be useful, but this seems far too much, makes it very difficult to dial precisely to a specific setting over a range of about 0.3 mils in the transition range.
 
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BallisticPrimate said:
I assume the resistance felt at the transition to the 2nd rev is a deliberate design feature rather than a defect. It ensures that the shooter is aware they are entering the second revolution, even in low/no-light conditions, where visual confirmation of the revolution indicator might be difficult. Perhaps someone at S&B can confirm?
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It's not... That's why the pin starts to move up a mil early and is fully protruding when in the second Rev. I got a bunch of these dtii+ scopes none of mine give resistance at that transition.
 
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Gil P. said:
The P5FL looks perfect. Could you get us some through the scope pictures?
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That’s what I dug up after searching a while.
 
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918v said:
Pull up slightly on the turret as you tighten the set screws. Mine did that when I pushed down on the turret while tightening the set screws.
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GENIUS! That's all it needed. I knew I had held a little down pressure on the turret as I tightened the set screws (which I have always done on any scope). So I just now loosened the set screws, eased the turret up the tiniest amount I could feel (not visible - just a few thousandths, to get the pressure off of it), retightened the set screws, and now there is no perceptible feel as the 2nd Rev indicator deploys.
THANKS!
 
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vh20 said:
GENIUS! That's all it needed. I knew I had held a little down pressure on the turret as I tightened the set screws (which I have always done on any scope). So I just now loosened the set screws, eased the turret up the tiniest amount I could feel (not visible - just a few thousandths, to get the pressure off of it), retightened the set screws, and now there is no perceptible feel as the 2nd Rev indicator deploys.
THANKS!
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Glad it worked for you as it did for me.
 
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vh20 said:
GENIUS! That's all it needed. I knew I had held a little down pressure on the turret as I tightened the set screws (which I have always done on any scope). So I just now loosened the set screws, eased the turret up the tiniest amount I could feel (not visible - just a few thousandths, to get the pressure off of it), retightened the set screws, and now there is no perceptible feel as the 2nd Rev indicator deploys.
THANKS!
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Never had an issue with my DTII+ turrets going into 2nd rev, but great to know about this little trick. Great community here helps save some trips to the warranty depts 👍🏼
 
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Maybe I missed something, but why did the 6-36 prices just jump up into the stratosphere?

This scope was $3,300 around Black Friday, then shortly after it went back up to around its normal $3,550… now a $2,000 jump in price out of nowhere? Wtf

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HD1911 said:
Maybe I missed something, but why did the 6-36 prices just jump up into the stratosphere?

This scope was $3,300 around Black Friday, then shortly after it went back up to around its normal $3,550… now a $2,000 jump in price out of nowhere? Wtf

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Schmidt Bender 6-36x56mm PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC LT Riflescope 163-911-64F-M2-I5

FREE SHIPPING on Schmidt Bender 6-36x56mm PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC LT Riflescope 163-911-64F-M2-I5
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Same in Aus...S&B just had a massive price increase across the range!

The 6-36 is now over AUD $10k!
 
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HD1911 said:
Maybe I missed something, but why did the 6-36 prices just jump up into the stratosphere?

This scope was $3,300 around Black Friday, then shortly after it went back up to around its normal $3,550… now a $2,000 jump in price out of nowhere? Wtf

www.eurooptic.com

Schmidt Bender 6-36x56mm PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC LT Riflescope 163-911-64F-M2-I5

FREE SHIPPING on Schmidt Bender 6-36x56mm PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC LT Riflescope 163-911-64F-M2-I5
www.eurooptic.com www.eurooptic.com
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Too many companies seem to think a new year means they can just Jack prices up because "well new year higher prices" they don't seem to get that people (outside of the government) don't get more salary simply because it's a new year, if anything a new year means their buying power just went down lower.

At that price folks may as well just get a TT or a ZCO
 
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wooferocau said:
Same in Aus...S&B just had a massive price increase across the range!

The 6-36 is now over AUD $10k!
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Let the college marketing pukes that thought up the price hikes sit on their scopes all year and when the actual sales numbers come back to bite their asses, they might be a bit more inclined to think about reality.
 
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Yeah maybe I dump mine, as much as I love it, and just go back to an ATACR 7-35 and pocket the difference. Expert voice makes it really tempting.

Well since my scope is now $5,500 before tax and shipping…. Any takers on mine for like say atleast $4,500?? Come on man, that’s a steal now!

Fuggin’ Schmidt. If this sticks, then they just fucked themselves right out of the market.
 
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I’m now for realz that I’d sell mine, if anyone wants a like new 6-36 with P5FL with DT2+ turrets shoot me a PM. I’ll cut a solid deal. It’s time I went back to an ATACR 7-35.
 
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HD1911 said:
I’m now for realz that I’d sell mine, if anyone wants a like new 6-36 with P5FL with DT2+ turrets shoot me a PM. I’ll cut a solid deal. It’s time I went back to an ATACR 7-35.
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I will throw a cat amongst the pigeons.... Consider the DNT 7-35..... I have several and honestly they defy their price tag !!!

I had 2 S&B ,s fail on my 50bmg.... one of the DNT,s now has over Ik rounds on the same 50bmg and not one issue.. Glass will surprise you.... It made me qustion just why i spent SOOOOO many dollars on "Top Tier" optics like the S&B !!
 
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HD1911 said:
I’m now for realz that I’d sell mine, if anyone wants a like new 6-36 with P5FL with DT2+ turrets shoot me a PM. I’ll cut a solid deal. It’s time I went back to an ATACR 7-35.
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The thing is that almost everyone knows they were $3.3k (sometimes closer to $3k with a wire transfer payment instead of credit card) so you know, that's the price folks remember and are targeting...

But you might find someone who never kept up with the price drops.

Me, I'm the cheapskate reprobate bastard who'd be like wanting to pay 3k or such crazyness.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
The thing is that almost everyone knows they were $3.3k (sometimes closer to $3k with a wire transfer payment instead of credit card) so you know, that's the price folks remember and are targeting...

But you might find someone who never kept up with the price drops.

Me, I'm the cheapskate reprobate bastard who'd be like wanting to pay 3k or such crazyness.
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Oh yeah for sure, I didn’t mean trying to rip anybody off on here. Now if I list it up on gunbroker or something then yeah, I’ll let some folks bid on it as high up as they wanna go.

I’d still sell down around the middle 3s range if anyone was interested.

I prolly shouldn’t even consider selling as it’s been my favorite optic to date, but fuck Schmidt for doing this nonsense. I prolly won’t be buying anymore of their scopes from here on out.
 
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HD1911 said:
Oh yeah for sure, I didn’t mean trying to rip anybody off on here. Now if I list it up on gunbroker or something then yeah, I’ll let some folks bid on it as high up as they wanna go.

I’d still sell down around the middle 3s range if anyone was interested.

I prolly shouldn’t even consider selling as it’s been my favorite optic to date, but fuck Schmidt for doing this nonsense. I prolly won’t be buying anymore of their scopes from here on out.
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I was a big fan of S&B scopes for a long time and have a whole bunch of them still.
But when they changed and made EO the sole USA distributor and jacked the prices way up...

Well that's when March and ZCO and others started showing up in my closet.

From time to time, I'll still buy an S&B scope from time to time, when someone has the P4FL and CW turrents that nobody seems to like and they are willing to sell it for super cheap.

Also the optics clarity on the 5-45 and 12-50 is still very competitive even if the reticles aren't what folks want and the turrents are quite old style.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
I was a big fan of S&B scopes for a long time and have a whole bunch of them still.
But when they changed and made EO the sole USA distributor and jacked the prices way up...

Well that's when March and ZCO and others started showing up in my closet.

From time to time, I'll still buy an S&B scope from time to time, when someone has the P4FL and CW turrents that nobody seems to like and they are willing to sell it for super cheap.

Also the optics clarity on the 5-45 and 12-50 is still very competitive even if the reticles aren't what folks want and the turrents are quite old style.
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Totally feel that.

A 56% price increase because it’s now 2025? Yeah, they can go fuck themselves.
 
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they have raised the prices to help cover the cost of the lawsuit with Swarovski when they ship the full FOV models to the USA next month ...

Early April fool's. But seriously guys, for those of us who’ve been around long enough this is really nothing new, S&B has been toying with the American market and pricing for years, up and down, up and down. They often test the market with these kinds of things and prove they don’t really have a clue about the US market.
 
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Glassaholic said:
they have raised the prices to help cover the cost of the lawsuit with Swarovski when they ship the full FOV models to the USA next month ...

Early April fool's. But seriously guys, for those of us who’ve been around long enough this is really nothing new, S&B has been toying with the American market and pricing for years, up and down, up and down. They often test the market with these kinds of things and prove they don’t really have a clue about the US market.
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That's what I've seen with SB pricing - up/down/up/down. Wait it out, they'll come down again when no one is buying.
 
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