I am. shoot about 600 so far. I like them 43.8 at .065 off the lands. sd about 8 es of 25
Hornadys new ELD VT
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I don't see anything in our reports folder for that combination. I'd drop a grain or two from the 75gr V-max data in our latest manual, personally.
We'll probably have to get more specific. Cartridge, caliber, twist rate, barrel mfg., factory/reload, etc.? And what's "finicky" mean?
They have to pass the same accuracy spec as our ELD-M's but the response to an individual barrel with unknown powder in unknown cartridge has a lot of room for variables.
ETA: Scrolled up and looks like you're trying the 6.5mm 100gr in a 8T Bartlein Creedmoor with Varget... I'd back off a grain or two and see if it settles in for you first. Our Factory test load is Varget in mostly Bartlein barrels. Other than that you might try Sta-Ball Match or another relevant powder. Also, not to beat a dead horse (again) but you'll be better off with some 10+ shot strings vs. 3 shot groups. 3-5 shot groups have a brutal capability to produce knotholes then open up then meh then knothole then open up etc... until your hair turns grey and falls out...
100 gr ELD-VT got it done last night. Didn’t move an inch. Wish I could figure out how to post video here.
Talking with a gunsmith who loves the 22bra and is running the 62gr eldvt in a .050 freebore chamber says they are shooting lights out. We were talking and he decided to order a custom reamer from PTG for a 22GT with a .050 freebore designed for varmint style bullets.
@Ledzep - So I'm about to load up a bunch of 174 Vt's in 308, but have this nagging thought about possible transition issues.
My range only goes to 600 so I'll be stretching these to 1500 + without knowing for sure they'll stay stable. FWIW I'm running a 10 twist so that may work to my favor. CG has to be further back on these so I'm curious & would like to avoid an ugly surprise.
Do you have any insight you could share via Radar testing r.e. transition through trans-sonic? I'm going to be pushing well past that.
My range only goes to 600 so I'll be stretching these to 1500 + without knowing for sure they'll stay stable. FWIW I'm running a 10 twist so that may work to my favor. CG has to be further back on these so I'm curious & would like to avoid an ugly surprise.
Do you have any insight you could share via Radar testing r.e. transition through trans-sonic? I'm going to be pushing well past that.
Finally got the 22 GT out today with some 62 ELDVT’s. Only running a 22” barrel but it was super flat. 2.4 to 600 and 3.7 to 750. It was definitely quicker on steel than I am used to.
3503 per the Garmin.
I was limited on time so I just set up and quickly threw 41-ish grains of StaBLL 6.5 from my Harrell's without weighing every charge. ES and SD was terrible but it was fairly accurate to 750. 39.2 of the same powder gave me 3257 with 80 ELDM’s. Also poor ES/SD, but it put three inside of about a generous foot at 1250, which is way better then I expected to do with a 22 caliber off sitting tripod and 18 max power.
Going to mess with Long Rifle now that I have about 120 rounds down the pipe.
This was six at 600 with the VT’s but the wind was favorable yesterday evening.
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I'm out of the office for a week or so but I can look at downrange stability vs. other bullets when I get back but from what I remember a 12 twist was fine and actually the calculated stability held on longer with the VT than with the 176 ATip. Real life may not follow the calculations, though.
Gyro stability increases down range so with a 10 twist you'll never have issues there, but Magnus might come to eat your lunch way out there with large AoA. I wouldn't expect it to be any worse than any other 168-175gr bullet in a 308 though.
Just ordered 100 174gr ELD VT for the XM3 hoping to get 2500-2550 and call it good then stock up.
I am sure I missed it but has anyone, not Hornady employees, shot 62gr ELDVT and witnessed the .199g7 BC?
Speaking of BC’s, @Ledzep there’s a discrepancy in advertised Bc’s for the 6.5 100gr VT. Hornady website says .448 G1/.226 G7. My bullet boxes say .448/.266. Searching around the web shows both ways as well.
.266 lines up perfectly for me across two rifles so far.
.266 lines up perfectly for me across two rifles so far.
Yeah that's a known issue should be fixed going forward. Typo. I don't remember off hand which is correct but just off the fact that G7 is usually half G1 it's probably .226.
Speaking of the lineup do you have any recommendations for load development on the 174? Also is hornady going to field ammo in it?
In .308? H4895 (if you have or can find it), Varget, or StaBall Match would be my first three tries. I'm sure IMR 4895 and 4064 are worth looking at, too.
I doubt we'll do a factory .308 load because it'd end up being over SAAMI max COAL. I'm pushing for it to replace the 168 Amax in our M1 Garand Match load, though. No promises.
Makes sense it’s a long beast. How are these seating depth wise? Jump tolerable? I had been having some fits with my TMKs trying to jump them.
Im jumping the 100 gr 6.5 .100” in a .260 due to mag internal limitations. In 6.5x47, im jumping .050. Never even tested other seating depths, both rifles shoot this bullet regardless of the recipe.
I started at 42 with a .065 jump ended up at 43.8. max was about 44.8
It's going to be barrel-to-barrel dependent. I pretty much seat everything at .020-.060 if I can and don't mess with seating depth. I have seen a few instances where it made a significant difference but in most of my barrels that I've tested it I don't see dramatic swings in performance. I've noticed reading forums and FB that some barrels just do not like the VT's in a big way. I haven't seen it personally with my barrels or company barrels so I'd be hard pressed to say why.
Same thing you'd do for a 175. Probably like Tim said 42-43gr is a safe bet to start.
Same. This is the first time I’ve ever really messed with seating depth especially for a 308 just cause i didn’t like the performance i was getting
I'll see what my G7 trued up to later this evening when I get home. When I was in South Dakota in late December hunting yotes I shot one at 897 ish with my 223 and 62 ELD-VTs. Between 200-600 yards elevation was good.
First shot was .3 mils low and hit on the second shot after correcting and later made the correction in my 4DOF app on the axial form factor to reflect what I saw. The next day I was able to confirm what I had done at 800-something and 950 yards if I remember correctly and the bullet was consistent.
I'm pushing the 62 ELD-VT at 3270ish.
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Lining up my 4DOF with the BC portion of the app I get a G7 of .192
That’s pretty good, definitely going to check that out for some of the DMR, carbine matches. Thanks for the response.
FWIW
If you are familiar with the issues of magazine loading the 77 SMK and single feeding the SMK 80, then this will help keep perspective as the new 62 ELDVT is related to the 73 ELDM by external length.
Hornady 62 ELDVT 1.046"
Hornady 73 ELDM 1.046"
Hornady 88 ELDM 1.242"
Sierra 77 SMK 0.994"
Sierra 80 SMK 1.066"
If you are familiar with the issues of magazine loading the 77 SMK and single feeding the SMK 80, then this will help keep perspective as the new 62 ELDVT is related to the 73 ELDM by external length.
Hornady 62 ELDVT 1.046"
Hornady 73 ELDM 1.046"
Hornady 88 ELDM 1.242"
Sierra 77 SMK 0.994"
Sierra 80 SMK 1.066"
