Hornadys new ELD VT
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So how did you set that OAL for the dummy round? Just random or did you check your OAL to lands and seat off of that?
"Too few samples", yes exactly. I was trying different powders, I have a larger sample size (20 rds) to try with Varget for the next range trip. All are loaded the same as above. I'm hoping the next 20 stay under 1 moa. That would work for my needs. I don’t believe in "flyers" with jacketed bullets.
Just in case this is helpful to someone wondering what powders to try and ball park where to start in the 22Creedmoor… I have already tried N550 and it’s running 3300 from my 20 inch.
I know it’s not exact bullet but at least it’s pressure tested and better than someone’s load off the internet
I know it’s not exact bullet but at least it’s pressure tested and better than someone’s load off the internet
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Travis Stevens has an alpha reamer I bought and traded him last year. If you are going to run the eld vt in .224 they would be way better in a .060 or .080 freebore. I’ve run a lot through my 22 creed with .120 freebore and .030” off lands they are just barely in the neck. Actually had one fall out this weekend shooting Praire dogs and spilled powder all over in my action. But the next day I seated them deeper and am now jumping them almost a hundred thousands and they still shoot really good.
Ordered a barrel from Crownridgebarrelworks.
Wont be my main rifle for the 62gr vt. But just want to try them
Dang it, I bought a bunch. I developed a fine load out of my 22 Creedmoor. (40.0 grs of Re15.5. 62gr VLD-VT 3,750 fps) For Montana prairie dogs. Showed up at the place I've been shooting them since 2015. The landowner said, "Help yourself, but the plague killed most of them; all us ranchers are tickled over this plague." Anyhow, I did sight one big PD at 343 yards, that 62gr ELD-VT blew him into little pieces
Is there any factory loaded ammo for the 174 yet? That BC is mighty attractive considering its better than a 185gr jug.
I just bought some of these and plan to load them up for my 6.5 CM with Varget. Any feedback with these out of a 6.5?
Loaded up some 80 grainers for a suppressed predator load in my 18" 6GT earlier this week, with 32.9 gr of AR-Comp powder they shot extremely well. Probably have another 100-150 fps on the table with more powder charge but I don't know if it's worth chasing more speed when they're shooting like this... May work up a bit higher just to see if there's another sweet spot.
@Ledzep I was curious if you guys have done any testing with the 80s in 6GT yet? Hard to find good load data for bullets on the lighter side especially with shorter barrel lengths.
@Ledzep I was curious if you guys have done any testing with the 80s in 6GT yet? Hard to find good load data for bullets on the lighter side especially with shorter barrel lengths.
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I can check with the guys Monday. I don't think we've done anything but if there are supplies floating around it should be easy enough to do if I can make time.
Man that would be awesome! I started pretty conservative on the charges since the ELD-VT is long compared to other 80 gr pills, but they definitely hammer. Looking forward to putting some 'yotes down soon hopefully
@Ledzep - Do you have any twist rate info for the 30 cal 174's?? Nothing listed still.
Want to know if my 11.25 twist 18" DPMS will stabilize these.
So far I've tried these in a AR10 8 twist 16" Larue barrel loaded 2.860 oal Lever in virgin MAI (Norma) brass & cci#34's
It was 96 degrees when I shot this and had no pressure signs on that load.
Why the hell is there no load data for Lever in 308?? GRT predicts this load gets complete burn in this 16" barrel, fill % is good, SD is good, top end forgiveness is good. I don't get it, maybe it's less predictable with non mag primers
Next time out I'll back the Lever load down to 2520 fps range & give Vit N540 a try.
These are longer than the 176 A-tips so powder cap is limiting in an AR and why I first tried with Lever, but damn. I am impressed with this bullet.
RL 15.5 would be my first choice but just cant fit enough in there at AR mag length. I'll give Vit N540 a try next.
FYI - These were the blems I was shooting. Have 800 non blems sitting here ready to load.
They hit about .1 mil high at 500y with .289 G7 plugged in Strelok Pro. At 500Y 3.1 mil hit dead nuts. Very impressive bullet here.
I know that was a max or slightly over max load, however I'm still trying to wrap my head around a 16" 308 that stays Supersonic to 1000y with a 170 class bullet.
Want to know if my 11.25 twist 18" DPMS will stabilize these.
So far I've tried these in a AR10 8 twist 16" Larue barrel loaded 2.860 oal Lever in virgin MAI (Norma) brass & cci#34's
It was 96 degrees when I shot this and had no pressure signs on that load.
Why the hell is there no load data for Lever in 308?? GRT predicts this load gets complete burn in this 16" barrel, fill % is good, SD is good, top end forgiveness is good. I don't get it, maybe it's less predictable with non mag primers
Next time out I'll back the Lever load down to 2520 fps range & give Vit N540 a try.
These are longer than the 176 A-tips so powder cap is limiting in an AR and why I first tried with Lever, but damn. I am impressed with this bullet.
RL 15.5 would be my first choice but just cant fit enough in there at AR mag length. I'll give Vit N540 a try next.
FYI - These were the blems I was shooting. Have 800 non blems sitting here ready to load.
They hit about .1 mil high at 500y with .289 G7 plugged in Strelok Pro. At 500Y 3.1 mil hit dead nuts. Very impressive bullet here.
I know that was a max or slightly over max load, however I'm still trying to wrap my head around a 16" 308 that stays Supersonic to 1000y with a 170 class bullet.
@357Max Keep us posted, hell if you wanted to put it in the 308 reloading depot or a separate thread so it's concentrated on the 30cal ELD VT i wouldn't be upset at all. I want to switch all my 308s over to the ELD VT with the BC it's advertising. Longer than the 176GR A-TIP is concerning lol but i guess that would make sense with the BC. I have 600ct of 168gr TMKs that I bought for the XM3. Whenever I get around to shooting them up I think I'm going to switch to the 174gr. The hart barrel is 1in10 so I'm not terribly worried there but my LMT is 1in11.25 so I'm curious there as well.
Thinking about it cause I'm mostly stocked with varget for 308. I have an 8lb jug of staball match, that would likely give us the case capacity we need with closer burn rate to varget for 308 semi.
Thinking about it cause I'm mostly stocked with varget for 308. I have an 8lb jug of staball match, that would likely give us the case capacity we need with closer burn rate to varget for 308 semi.
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@Ledzep - Do you have any twist rate info for the 30 cal 174's?? Nothing listed still.
Want to know if my 11.25 twist 18" DPMS will stabilize these.
So far I've tried these in a AR10 8 twist 16" Larue barrel loaded 2.860 oal Lever in virgin MAI (Norma) brass & cci#34's
It was 96 degrees when I shot this and had no pressure signs on that load.
Why the hell is there no load data for Lever in 308?? GRT predicts this load gets complete burn in this 16" barrel, fill % is good, SD is good, top end forgiveness is good. I don't get it, maybe it's less predictable with non mag primers
Next time out I'll back the Lever load down to 2520 fps range & give Vit N540 a try.
These are longer than the 176 A-tips so powder cap is limiting in an AR and why I first tried with Lever, but damn. I am impressed with this bullet.
RL 15.5 would be my first choice but just cant fit enough in there at AR mag length. I'll give Vit N540 a try next.
FYI - These were the blems I was shooting. Have 800 non blems sitting here ready to load.
They hit about .1 mil high at 500y with .289 G7 plugged in Strelok Pro. At 500Y 3.1 mil hit dead nuts. Very impressive bullet here.
I know that was a max or slightly over max load, however I'm still trying to wrap my head around a 16" 308 that stays Supersonic to 1000y with a 170 class bullet.
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It will be stable (designed to work with 1:12" or faster) but I don't think they'll quite fit at AR-10 magazine length. No problem at all with the 2.950" AICS magazines, and there may be some metal AR-10 mags that will just squeak by but I don't know for sure.
Thanks for the reply. wasn't sure about the 11.25 twist.
I'm using Larue mags that allow 2.860, wouldn't want to stuff these in a P-mag.
Really need to get some loaded for the bolt gun & it's a 10 twist.
Man that would be awesome! I started pretty conservative on the charges since the ELD-VT is long compared to other 80 gr pills, but they definitely hammer. Looking forward to putting some 'yotes down soon hopefully
These are MAX charges, back down accordingly and use your noodle. Unfortunately for you I don't think we have AR-Comp data gathered yet. It's quite a bit faster burn rate than the stuff our guy tested so I'd err on the side of caution in regards to the velocities below. Faster burn rate will pressure out before getting velocity (typically).
80gr ELD-VT, 6mm GT, 2.54" COAL. Velocities out of a 24" test barrel. This will all get published on our reloading app eventually. It's just a matter of the right people getting unburried from the pile of work they're under.
AA 2520- 38.5 (3450)
Varget- 37.3 (3350)
StaBall Match- 38.5 (3350)
BL-C(2)- 39.9 (3450)
CFE223- 39.4 (3450)
PP2000MR- 39.7 (3400)
LeverEvolution- 39.1 (3450)
H380- 41.9 (3450)
Win 760- 42.2 (3450)
Viht N550- 40.2 (3400)
AA2700- 42.0 (3450)
H100V- 42.3 (3450)
StaBall 6.5- 43.0 (3400)
I realize the above is not for the 6 ARC, but I've got a question for you on the 6 ARC / 80 ELD VT load data.
Looking at the 6 ARC Gas Gun tables, TAC is a good powder for speed with the 75 VMAX and 80 GMX. Would this also make it a good powder for speed with the 80 ELD VT? If so, could I use the 80 GMX data as a reasonable starting point and work into it? Kinda hard to find pressure for me with the ARC since it is working at lower pressures. Thanks!
Much appreciated! Will definitely keep an eye out for pressure signs as I work up with the AR Comp... Was just looking for something that had a complete burn in this short barrel. Looks like I may need to revisit a little Varget as well cause the lower charges I tried didn't shoot very well but I was way down in the 35 gr range to be safe
Thanks again!
6mm ARC, 80eldvt, 2.245" COAL, GAS GUN 52ksi. Velocities for a 24" barrel
Benchmark- 27.5 (3000)
H335- 28.4 (3000)
X-Terminator- 28.8 (3000)
AA2230- 27.9 (3000)
AA2460- 28.4 (3000)
8208 XBR- 27.4 (3000)
TAC- 29.1 (3050)
PowerPro Varmint- 29.9 (3050)
H4895- 27.6 (3000)
Viht N135- 27.4 (2950)
Win748- 30.4 (3050)
BL-C(2)- 30.3 (2950)
StaBall Match- 31.9 (3100)
CFE223- 32.0 (3100)
PowerPro 2000MR- 31.4(3000)
LVR- 31.9 (3100)
Do you happen to have some 6.5 Creedmoor Gas or Bolt gun load data to start with for this bullet? I am going to run it out of my 6.5 AR10, the box ammo shot lights out the other day.
The 80gr is a 6mm bullet. For the 100gr 6.5mm ELDVT you should be fine with 95-100gr data that's been published for a while now.
Here is some load development today with these out of a 6.5 CM.
Lapua brass, .020 to lands, 43.2 grains Varget, 100 grain ELD-VT. From a 18” 1/8 twist.
Lapua brass, .020 to lands, 43.2 grains Varget, 100 grain ELD-VT. From a 18” 1/8 twist.
Bolt gun or AR10? I just ordered 500 of them off EuroOptic so I hope I can replicate this type of result
Bolt gun. Terminus Zeus with TS Customs barrel.Bolt gun or AR10? I just ordered 500 of them off EuroOptic so I hope I can replicate this type of result
im running 174 at 2725 sd of 8 es of 18 out of a 1-10 26in bartlein no issues in my opinion to 1100. had a PRS match out to 800 getting solid hits. 43.8 at .065 off the lands
I'll back my charge off and work back up. My AR10 likes to chew the backs of cases up.
working up a load with H4350 and I don't see any data for the 95-100gr data besides Barnes with their bullet. the max charge is around 47gr, I don't plan on going that high with my gas gun load. after measuring the bullet and comparing it, its a little longer than a 120 eldm but shorter than a 130 eldm, almost the same length as the sierra 123gr SMK. I have a idea of what charge weights I want to try (44.0, 44.6, 45.2, 45.6) as they worked well with that 123gr smk. I have 8lbs of H4350 so I wanted to try it and varget, I saw published 6.5 100gr load data with varget already so thats good to go, just wondering where Max is with H4350.
Posted in the 6.5cm thread, but will post here too.
Also, there’s an alarming lack of info on the 100gr VT bullets from hornady on here so I shall bless you all with my mediocre testing results. Book max for Varget is 41.1gr with a 100gr eldm so using that info I started at 42gr of Varget because I like to live life dangerously.
Rifle and load spec:
Defiance Deviant
22” 8TW Bartlein M24 barrel
Manners T4A with EFR
NF NX8 2.5-20 Mil XT
TBAC Magnus SR
Alpha SRP 6.5cm OCD brass (also used in my match rifle)
42.0gr Varget
CCI 450
Results:
Did a seating depth test with these bullets as I had less than ideal results with the 80gr VT bullets in my 6cm. Did 10 thou off to 110 thou off lands (sammi freebore). I had pulled down 25 rounds so my ES is shit as I didn’t bother to size the necks again and had some freshly sized brass mixed into the pile.
33 rounds over my Garmin. Min 3180. Max 3250. Avg 3203. ES 71. SD 19.3. Group sizes varied pretty good. Best group sizes were 60 thou, 80 thou, and 110 thou off land. 90 was ok to hunt with but nothing to write home about either. Will post pics here in a little bit. Will update when my brass prep is normal and I will probably run at 60k off. Not going to adjust charge weight unless it’s still giving bad numbers when neck tension is consistent.
Obviously, work up to above book max. Or dont. It’s your face on the line.
Also interested in reports on these, at half the price of atips and higher BC they could be a great tac class option.
I have a 24" I may just order some any try. Decided to send my factory seconds back. No reason lol
Hodgdons reloading data center has 95gr data with those powders.
