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roostercogburn98

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Walked into this trade today at local gun show. Sharps 1875 target with a 10x Unertl sitting on top. Scope is pretty clear and exceeds what I expected to look through in one of these. I know the 75 was never a true production gun in the old days but this thing is just pretty, and who wouldn’t like smashing something with a 405 grain cast boolits.
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I used a custom Win High Wall in 40-65 back in the mid-'90s to shoot BPCRS matches. It was a beautiful rifle, but the combination of learning to load black powder and cast consistently very good quality 412gr bullets with 1/20 alloy (one part tin/20 parts pure lead) took a little head scratching. Some days at a match, I was the dog, other days I was the fire plug being pissed on by the dog. What an experience - something I wouldn't have missed, but at the same time, nothing I would ever get back into again...lol What cartridge is your 'new' Sharps '75 chambered for?
 
Beautiful rifle, or "smoke pole" as some are want to say.

If ever there was an excuse to get a really cool, super wild brimmed, many X, cowboy hat this would be it.

Satisfy your inner Buffalo hunter.

Is it weird that when I think of sliding one of those big cartridges into the breech Pornhub comes to mind?
 
Beautiful rifle, or "smoke pole" as some are want to say.

If ever there was an excuse to get a really cool, super wild brimmed, many X, cowboy hat this would be it.

Satisfy your inner Buffalo hunter.

Is it weird that when I think of sliding one of those big cartridges into the breech Pornhub comes to mind?
Maybe a nice ten gallon hat would be appropriate here. I guess I should have bought the Justin boots the other day when my youngest got her new set of shit kickers for the barn
 
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I used a custom Win High Wall in 40-65 back in the mid-'90s to shoot BPCRS matches. It was a beautiful rifle, but the combination of learning to load black powder and cast consistently very good quality 412gr bullets with 1/20 alloy (one part tin/20 parts pure lead) took a little head scratching. Some days at a match, I was the dog, other days I was the fire plug being pissed on by the dog. What an experience - something I wouldn't have missed, but at the same time, nothing I would ever get back into again...lol What cartridge is your 'new' Sharps '75 chambered for?
I haven’t gotten into casting just yet. I have been reloading for about 12 years. I have decided if I will reload for this or how much action it will truly get. I talked to a gentleman about the black powder club and the matches shortly after I acquired this piece, which is a 45-70. Sounds like an interesting thing to watch, but I am not a huge black powder fan due to the amount of cleaning it requires after the fun is over. I have some smokeless rounds for this one in case I get the wild hair to smash pumpkins as sirmechanic seems to think is the bees knees.
 
The spring is there to reset the scope after recoil moves it. Most of us with modern rifles take it off as set light drag on the front ring so the Pope rail gently drags. Then after recoil reach up and pull it back and, if needed, cock it left. (Or right as long as you’re consistent). When you get proper eye relief the little ring that holds the spring is used as a stop so you pull back to ge same place each time.

These scope repeat like nothing else. No guesswork if the erector cell is working, you can see it :)
 
The spring is there to reset the scope after recoil moves it. Most of us with modern rifles take it off as set light drag on the front ring so the Pope rail gently drags. Then after recoil reach up and pull it back and, if needed, cock it left. (Or right as long as you’re consistent). When you get proper eye relief the little ring that holds the spring is used as a stop so you pull back to ge same place each time.

These scope repeat like nothing else. No guesswork if the erector cell is working, you can see it :)
I okayed with the eye relief and recoil spring tensioners last night, pretty neat setup like that. I had to figure out why the picture was fuzzy. The parallax adjuster came off with the obj lens cover, so it wasn’t actually adjusting when I spun the adjuster. Got it set back up and it worked like a champ. Will play with it some more before I take it out and see if the erectors work. The reticle was canted so had to straighten it up as well. I like how everything can be adjusted and set to the end users liking without having to remove the tube. I found an old thread here that had some good info, and a diagram of the major pieces and what they do. That helped to get it set right for me. Now to do some research and figure out which exact model it is.
 
Am I wrong in cringing at the barrel support?

Barrel is 28 or 30 inches long and almost a full inch in diameter. Think that could mitigate any barrel whip and make it ok?

Im more concerned with just inconsistent pressure on the barrel and levering the BA into different spots in the stock.

As this is a stand alone receiver with wood just attached as furniture to interface with the shooter maybe not as big a deal as in say an R700 that is fit INTO its stock.
 
Im more concerned with just inconsistent pressure on the barrel and levering the BA into different spots in the stock.

As this is a stand alone receiver with wood just attached as furniture to interface with the shooter maybe not as big a deal as in say an R700 that is fit INTO its stock.
I have read some that there is a version of these style of rifle with a two piece tang. What I read states that the two piece can have accuracy issues, and they talked about welding it together to help. I’d venture to say you are correct in the pressure not correlating the same as with a bolt action setup
 
I was talking about milk jugs but pumpkins sound like so much more fun to explode.
Pumpkin = large ball or bullet over .45 Cal.

Slinger = Sharps, Hi wall, Ballard, etc.

But we used to have a pumpkin shoot up at the farm before the neighbors all turned into flatlander douche Karens. We'd get all the leftover pumpkins from a local patch after Halloween. Cut holes in them and fill them with the hose. And put them all over the field. A water-filled pumpkin totally explodes when hit with a .50/90 at 300 yards. Anything bigger than .444 Marlin was welcome. We had trapdoors, sharps, lots of muzzle-loaders.

It's a GREAT idea for a fall shoot.

Cheers,

Sihrr
 
It is my first external adjustable scope indeed. It has a neat feel to it, still teaching myself about it, as I know nothing about them.
Talk to @pmclaine about those awesome old external adjust scopes. He has a ton of them and makes them work great.

Also Pmclaine, you are right about 1 (or bigger) across the flats barrels and low pressure rounds. There is no barrel whip, bulge or issue shooting off sticks. Actually the support that dude has is really awesome! Looks home-made, but really cool!

Sirhr
 
Fine looking iron you get there. Should be plenty of fun once you can feed it well. Nice thing about the .45-70 is that there's a helluva lot of reload data available and you can cast your own bullets if you're so inclined. Who made this rifle? C. Sharps in Big Timber?

I'm gearing up to send the down payment on a Shiloh '74 at the end of this week and I'm already feeling the itch for it.
 
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Lousy photo, but these are the homemade shooting sticks I made to shoot the custom High Wall off of in BPCRS matches. Found some heavy felt material, cut strips out of it, then had a friend sew them into loops to slip over the walnut sticks. Cut heads off large nails and epoxied them into the bottoms of the sticks. The sticker at top left is to signify these passed inspection by NRA referee during the 1996 BPCRS Nationals at Whittington Center. Reason I put the heavy felt loops on the sticks is that we always rested our heavy bbls on the sticks instead of the forend.
 

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I okayed with the eye relief and recoil spring tensioners last night, pretty neat setup like that. I had to figure out why the picture was fuzzy. The parallax adjuster came off with the obj lens cover, so it wasn’t actually adjusting when I spun the adjuster. Got it set back up and it worked like a champ. Will play with it some more before I take it out and see if the erectors work. The reticle was canted so had to straighten it up as well. I like how everything can be adjusted and set to the end users liking without having to remove the tube. I found an old thread here that had some good info, and a diagram of the major pieces and what they do. That helped to get it set right for me. Now to do some research and figure out which exact model it is.

It appears you have a 2" ultra varmint. But it's tough to see the objective real well but it looks like an uncalibrated head?
 
It appears you have a 2" ultra varmint. But it's tough to see the objective real well but it looks like an uncalibrated head?
I was on the edge of the 1-1/4 or 2 inch varmint version. Guess I just need to measure the obj lens and see how big it is. I’ll try to get some better pics up later as well. Thank you for the info
 
Lousy photo, but these are the homemade shooting sticks I made to shoot the custom High Wall off of in BPCRS matches. Found some heavy felt material, cut strips out of it, then had a friend sew them into loops to slip over the walnut sticks. Cut heads off large nails and epoxied them into the bottoms of the sticks. The sticker at top left is to signify these passed inspection by NRA referee during the 1996 BPCRS Nationals at Whittington Center. Reason I put the heavy felt loops on the sticks is that we always rested our heavy bbls on the sticks instead of the forend.
Those look easy enough to make. I might have to give it a try
 
Fine looking iron you get there. Should be plenty of fun once you can feed it well. Nice thing about the .45-70 is that there's a helluva lot of reload data available and you can cast your own bullets if you're so inclined. Who made this rifle? C. Sharps in Big Timber?

I'm gearing up to send the down payment on a Shiloh '74 at the end of this week and I'm already feeling the itch for it.
This is a C Sharps from Big Timber indeed. I have read on the Shilohs and heard about the waiting list. Is it still as long as some of the old forums speak of for one of those fine hand crafted blasters?
 
Pumpkin = large ball or bullet over .45 Cal.

Slinger = Sharps, Hi wall, Ballard, etc.

But we used to have a pumpkin shoot up at the farm before the neighbors all turned into flatlander douche Karens. We'd get all the leftover pumpkins from a local patch after Halloween. Cut holes in them and fill them with the hose. And put them all over the field. A water-filled pumpkin totally explodes when hit with a .50/90 at 300 yards. Anything bigger than .444 Marlin was welcome. We had trapdoors, sharps, lots of muzzle-loaders.

It's a GREAT idea for a fall shoot.

Cheers,

Sihrr
Leaned something new today. Never heard them called that. Thank you for teaching this youngster a new term.

I have reached out to pmclaine. In fact he was the first pm I sent after I learned it would be mine. He also referred you and buffalowinter as some SMEs. Thanks for chiming in and always appreciate the info.
 
This is a C Sharps from Big Timber indeed. I have read on the Shilohs and heard about the waiting list. Is it still as long as some of the old forums speak of for one of those fine hand crafted blasters?
Used to be longer! It's still about a year or so if you go through Shiloh themselves, bit more if you want one of their '77 models instead of their '74 or '63 percussion. But if you order through their only stocking dealer, as I will, the wait's about half the time albeit with a slightly higher price tag.
 
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Am I wrong in cringing at the barrel support?

Why not forearm?
The forearm is just screwed to the barrel anyway. A lot of shooters will experiment until they find the sweet spot to rest the barrel them mark the barrel so that they can rest it in the same place every time... or used to anyway. I've been away from the game for a while.

... I talked to a gentleman about the black powder club and the matches shortly after I acquired this piece, which is a 45-70. Sounds like an interesting thing to watch, but I am not a huge black powder fan due to the amount of cleaning it requires after the fun is over.
.45-70 is a really good all around load and one that is fairly easy to get to shoot well with BP. It isn't all that popular at longer ranges as the 40 cal's have a flatter trajectory. BP is actually a lot easier to clean in a good barrel than copper fouling is. I can clean my Pedersoli sharps (also a 45-70) with 3 wet patches a dry patch and an oily patch, while it takes a lot more scrubbing than that on my 700P to get the copper out even after just a short shooting session. The biggest thing with BP is to be sure to use BP lube. Smokeless lubes just don't work very well.

This post is making me think I need to get my sharps out and start playing with it again.
 
I bought a couple of Saeco #740 molds to cast 410~412gr bullets for the 40-65 High Wall I owned. Plenty of lube grooves to carry enough lube to help keep BP fouling from building up too much too quickly, but I was also using a floppy (as opposed to rigid) rod to wipe the bore after each shot during a match, with patches dampened with Murphy oil soap/water mix. Other shooters used a breathing tube to exhale breaths down the bore of their BP rifles to soften BP fouling between shots. Every BPCRS shooter I knew cleaned after every bank of targets (unlimited sighters+10 record shots). It was very unusual to feel or find any leading in the Douglas heavy octagon 1-12tw bbl on my High Wall, so 2-3 wet patches followed by a couple of dry patches was all it normally took to clean the bore & be ready for the next bank of targets. Makes me wonder how the old buffalo hunters kept their Sharps 'big 50s' shooting accurately over long strings when they got into a big herd of buffalo - but they were probably all shooting paper patched bullets...

The only nasty part of cleaning after a match involved putting all the empty 40-65 cases into a large plastic jug and pouring enough white vinegar over them to submerge all cases. It only took once doing it in my attached garage to convince me to do it outdoors afterwards - the reaction between the vinegar & BP fouling created a gas that smelled like rotten eggs....

Most guys were using SPG bullet lube in their BP rifles, which was reputed to contain equal parts beeswax, peanut oil, and crisco shortening. It's probably still the #1 choice for BP cartridge loads...
 

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It only took once doing it in my attached garage to convince me to do it outdoors afterwards - the reaction between the vinegar & BP fouling created a gas that smelled like rotten eggs....

Most guys were using SPG bullet lube in their BP rifles, which was reputed to contain equal parts beeswax, peanut oil, and crisco shortening. It's probably still the #1 choice for BP cartridge loads...
+1
I use my own lube. Back when I was doing living history at Ft. Hartsuff I found the recipe the army used for their lube which was mostly beeswax and Bayberry tallow. I add some EVOO to the mix to make it a little softer.

I use 3 45-70 moulds. A Lee 405 hollow base, the SAECO M-1881 500 gr and the Lyman 535 gr Postell
 
I was on the edge of the 1-1/4 or 2 inch varmint version. Guess I just need to measure the obj lens and see how big it is. I’ll try to get some better pics up later as well. Thank you for the info

if its an Ultra Varmint, it'll be 24" front to back right on the nose.

im actually really interested in the rear scope ring... thats not a typical unertl ring. more picks of that please. its looks like thumb wheels up next to the body of the scope?
 
I bought a couple of Saeco #740 molds to cast 410~412gr bullets for the 40-65 High Wall I owned. Plenty of lube grooves to carry enough lube to help keep BP fouling from building up too much too quickly, but I was also using a floppy (as opposed to rigid) rod to wipe the bore after each shot during a match, with patches dampened with Murphy oil soap/water mix. Other shooters used a breathing tube to exhale breaths down the bore of their BP rifles to soften BP fouling between shots. Every BPCRS shooter I knew cleaned after every bank of targets (unlimited sighters+10 record shots). It was very unusual to feel or find any leading in the Douglas heavy octagon 1-12tw bbl on my High Wall, so 2-3 wet patches followed by a couple of dry patches was all it normally took to clean the bore & be ready for the next bank of targets. Makes me wonder how the old buffalo hunters kept their Sharps 'big 50s' shooting accurately over long strings when they got into a big herd of buffalo - but they were probably all shooting paper patched bullets...

The only nasty part of cleaning after a match involved putting all the empty 40-65 cases into a large plastic jug and pouring enough white vinegar over them to submerge all cases. It only took once doing it in my attached garage to convince me to do it outdoors afterwards - the reaction between the vinegar & BP fouling created a gas that smelled like rotten eggs....

Most guys were using SPG bullet lube in their BP rifles, which was reputed to contain equal parts beeswax, peanut oil, and crisco shortening. It's probably still the #1 choice for BP cartridge loads...
I need to start casting. I think I’d have more interest in a sport like this than most I have tried. Modern guns are nice, but the appeal of some older ways in it seems intriguing
 
@Charger442, pics of rear mount attached. It is only 20” from front to rear, and the obj lens is 1-3/4 as well, not 2”. I have been reading some on these but you would like you are well versed in them. If there are any angles, parts or pieces you want to see specifically, just let me know. Thanks for the information so far as well.
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@Charger442, pics of rear mount attached. It is only 20” from front to rear, and the obj lens is 1-3/4 as well, not 2”. I have been reading some on these but you would like you are well versed in them. If there are any angles, parts or pieces you want to see specifically, just let me know. Thanks for the information so far as well. View attachment 7678886View attachment 7678888View attachment 7678889

you were correct, that measurement on the length puts it as an 1 1/4" Varmint scope and that is the dehorned Unertl mount. its been a long time since ive seen one, used to just seeing the regular mounts.

great scope, should be a hell of a good shooter.
 
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you were correct, that measurement on the length puts it as an 1 1/4" Varmint scope and that is the dehorned Unertl mount. its been a long time since ive seen one, used to just seeing the regular mounts.

great scope, should be a hell of a good shooter.
Thanks for the information. I hope to get it dialed in or at least tested soon. I snagged 20 rounds for it but I have a buddy who has about 100 more. His were for his lever gun, but the brass should be good enough once I fire off the projectiles. Have some trailboss laying around so may end up doing some powderpuff loads. Also have a couple pounds of GOEX laying around if I decide to dump a case full of powder at a time.
 
rooster,
When I got started with my High Wall, I was forming 40-65 brass by running 45-70 brass into a borrowed Redding forming die IIRC, using Imperial Sizing Die Wax. Brass worked fine, though it would've been nice to have had correct head stamp on it. Since then, Starline now makes 40-65 brass with correct head stamp. I formed quite a bit of 40-65 brass to feed the High Wall as well as an original Winchester model 86 lever rifle made in 1897, with a round bbl that had been chopped off at 22", and had a rough bore with lots of pits. That old rifle had been around several members in our club before I bought it, and no one had much success in getting it to shoot with much accuracy. I bought a Lyman mold to cast the same 260gr bullets that original factory ammo was loaded with - the barrel had a 1-22 twist for these light 'express' bullets. I bought the same sort of granulated polymer called "grex" that factory buckshot loads use to cushion 00 buck pellets and thereby prevent gross deformation, and loaded it on top of the powder charge to prevent melting the base of these bullets, and the old rifle shot pretty darned good with very little leading - this was with smokeless powders like AA2015 & H4895, loaded to give the same velocity as the old BP factory loads, in the 1200-1300fps range. It's been nearly 30yrs since I played with that old rifle, but it's earned its place in the safe, along side a few other old Winchester lever rifles and one nice High Wall in 32-40.

I tried casting the #740 for the High Wall using a RCBS 22lb electric furnace, but soon gave up and bought a couple of cast iron plumbers pots and welded up a LP fired furnace with rails around the edge to rest the molds on to pre-heat them while the 1-20 alloy was melting in the pot. Bought a Lyman casting thermometer, and worked to keep the alloy temp stable by fine-tuning the valve on the burner. Of course, had to use a dipper to fill out of the pot, but the combination of keeping temp stable, careful fluxing, and filling the molds by starting with the mold held in a horizontal position with the dipper spout held against the sprue plate, then smoothly rotating mold and dipper to vertical to fill the cavity, resulted in some well filled-out bullets with consistent weight and very few visible defects (unlike the bullet in the photo I posted). Some days it seemed easy to cast acceptable bullets, other days it seemed like I could do nothing right, but it was almost always my own mistakes that caused problems. It takes some patience & skill to cast perfectly filled-out bullets with consistent weights (which usually means no internal voids), but that's what it takes to produce consistent loads capable of hitting the rams at 500M. But when you've got the process nailed down, it's rewarding to have success at it.
 

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Decided to give my hand at making some shooting sticks. Picked up some oak 1x2, will have to look for some nice antique looking fasteners and leather for the rest. Tried to match pre stain shade and grain as best I could. Will see what comes from it I guess.
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Cleaning black powder is extremely easy. Hot soapy water will do it followed by an oiling afterwards. I use a mixture of ballistol and water for cleaning black powder.

Spray it on, go text some ladies for about 5 minutes, come back and wipe it off. Literally that easy.
 
A W E S O M E !
Walked into this trade today at local gun show. Sharps 1875 target with a 10x Unertl sitting on top. Scope is pretty clear and exceeds what I expected to look through in one of these. I know the 75 was never a true production gun in the old days but this thing is just pretty, and who wouldn’t like smashing something with a 405 grain cast boolits. View attachment 7677986View attachment 7677987View attachment 7677988View attachment 7677989
A W E S O M E Both the rifle and the scope!
 
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