And just like that, they're gone. Had 5 in my cart, then I go to complete the order and it says out of stock.
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For faster I’ve got some ARcomp, but a good amount of H4895. Any messing with that?
@Farmerbrown32 What was your load with the 62gr ELD-VT?
I am testing N133 and Lever this week with the 62gr. CFE delivers today so I'll try that next.
VV N133 with 62gr ELD-VT.
1x fired Hornady brass w/ CCI 450.
22" 1:7
COL 2.256"
25.0 - 2984 avg; SD 29.4; ES 81.8
25.5 - 3060 avg; SD 10.8; ES 33.0
26.0 - 3108 avg; SD 8.4; ES 26.1
26.5 - 3164 avg; SD 12.0; ES 36.4
27.0 - 3219 avg; SD 5.4; ES 12.1
1x fired Hornady brass w/ CCI 450.
22" 1:7
COL 2.256"
25.0 - 2984 avg; SD 29.4; ES 81.8
25.5 - 3060 avg; SD 10.8; ES 33.0
26.0 - 3108 avg; SD 8.4; ES 26.1
26.5 - 3164 avg; SD 12.0; ES 36.4
27.0 - 3219 avg; SD 5.4; ES 12.1
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It’s a Rainier Ultramatch.
OOS at the moment.
Rainier Arms UltraMatch MOD2 .22ARC Rifle Barrel - 22\
Rainier Arms UltraMatch MOD2 .22ARC Rifle Barrel - 22\
www.rainierarms.com
Is the mod2 in reference to something with the chamber specs or something else rainer specific?It’s a Rainier Ultramatch.
OOS at the moment.
Rainier Arms UltraMatch MOD2 .22ARC Rifle Barrel - 22\
Rainier Arms UltraMatch MOD2 .22ARC Rifle Barrel - 22\
Just something Rainier specific. I think they went "MOD2" when they changed barrel blank providers several years ago.
Thinking of taking advantage of Natchez special and stocking up on a powder for the barrel I'm waiting on. They have N133 and AR Comp 8lbs in stock. AR Comp is running almost $100 more. I have never used N133, and have about 3lbs of AR comp sitting around.
For an 18" AR platform, what might be the best extruded powder for 62gn? I just am not a big fan of running ball powders, it was a pain in my V4, but it's not quite as bad in a ST.
For an 18" AR platform, what might be the best extruded powder for 62gn? I just am not a big fan of running ball powders, it was a pain in my V4, but it's not quite as bad in a ST.
I’m not familiar enough with n133 to offer an option on it specifically. If I was in your position the ARcomp would be a good place to start as it so versatile in a lot of the other cartridges I shoot. Anything “over bought” can go to work in something else.
N133 will be faster than ideal burn rate for the 62.
This was with a 224 Valk & 62 eld-vt. Powder burn rates should be the same as 22 ARC.
Best extruded I've tried with 62 has been XBR (Accuracy)
H4895 was + 40fps & didn'r group as well
Lever was + 140fps & shot tight.
I may give N135 a try next, but XBR & Lever both shot great.
How does Lever do with temperature stability? Hoping to use this gun on song dogs in the cold.
IME Lever likes to be tuned on the upper end for pressure. I find what I consider safe max pressure & then back down a bit. What I've seen is that when Lever starts to come into tune the SD's drop. I try to stay in the low-mid end of that window with low SD.
When Lever is run in the window I described it burns clean. Although it does have temp sensitivity, it doesn't seem to be all that sensitive when run up near max. My 77RDF Lever load mid 40's to low 90's temp is within 20fps in the Valk.
If Lever is not run near the upper end it's dirty & all bets are off for temp stability.
in case folks haven't seen it yet, 22ARC SAAMI specs now online:
https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Public-Introduction-22-ARC-2024-01-29.pdf
I tried it this past weekend just to get a feel for velocity. Shot Berger 85.5 LRHTs (26.5-28) and 90 A-Tips (26-27.5). Max velocity 2780 and 2740 if I remember right. Notes aren’t in front of me. Last charged over pressured with ejector marks. Seems like a similar experience when I ran this powder in 6 arc. Ho-hum velocity and really dirty.
Will try CFE223 and also maybe H4350. Primarily interested in shooting 80-90gr bullets. Not a lot of data out there since more people looking at it as a varmint cartridge it seems.
This is an AR with 22” proof steel barrel. Shot factory 88 ELDM at 2800 fps.
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Following for info....
Barrel showed up yesterday, going to try 62 eld, 75 eldm, but really want Berger 70 vld to work. Love that bullet.
Still deciding whether to build new or rebarrel a DD mk12.
Also hoping rl16 works with the heavies.
Edit, got n540 to try also...
Barrel showed up yesterday, going to try 62 eld, 75 eldm, but really want Berger 70 vld to work. Love that bullet.
Still deciding whether to build new or rebarrel a DD mk12.
Also hoping rl16 works with the heavies.
Edit, got n540 to try also...
I feel like StB Match should work better but right now I’m underwhelmed. I do have a real easy load for it in my 16” 223 carbine so all good there for usage.
Loaded up some stuff last night. I also have and am curious about R16 but given how chunky it is and maybe a little dirtier I’m holding off on loading it, but hey why not maybe soon.
Would love to hear more experience with the heavies.
Loaded up some stuff last night. I also have and am curious about R16 but given how chunky it is and maybe a little dirtier I’m holding off on loading it, but hey why not maybe soon.
Would love to hear more experience with the heavies.
Man this lil satern 22arc barrel hammers. Extremely happy with it. 80eldm and the 53vmax shoot sub half inch 5 shot groups.even In this 20-30 mph wind today!
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Try the 75 eldm @ 2.30 OAL. Mine didn't tighten up until I got down to 556 velocities.
How many gr of CFE to get the 80 to 3100? What about the 53?
I'm testing the 62gr ELD-VT. Factory ammo is running 3200 from my 20" .
Curious to see your results on how yhe factory ammo groups. I used to have a 22 grendel and sold it out of necessity at the time. Thinking it might be time to get back into one. It would be great to not have to do all the brass prep and handload again.
I have the 75 eldm and 88eldm factory ammo. I can test it sometime soon.
I have stocked up on all the 22ARC components waiting for a factory bolt gun to hit the market. I have a fair amount of CFE223 from my 556 loads but was wondering if anyone has tested the waters with Reloder TS 15.5. It sits only one ranking slower than CFE223 and well within the range of powders in the published load data for the 22ARC.
I have used Reloder 16 for years in my 6.5C and 243Win loads with great results. Both 15.5 and 16 are touted as very temp insensitive, whereas I have read several posts concerned with CFE223's temp sensitivity. Thank you in advance for any words of wisdom from this experienced group.
P.S. My primary expectation is to shoot coyotes with the 62gr ELD-VT, but possibly move up to the 80gr ELD-X for hogs and whitetail if the opportunity presents itself.
I have used Reloder 16 for years in my 6.5C and 243Win loads with great results. Both 15.5 and 16 are touted as very temp insensitive, whereas I have read several posts concerned with CFE223's temp sensitivity. Thank you in advance for any words of wisdom from this experienced group.
P.S. My primary expectation is to shoot coyotes with the 62gr ELD-VT, but possibly move up to the 80gr ELD-X for hogs and whitetail if the opportunity presents itself.
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‘16 is great in my .22BR w/88’s. I suppose it would be the same in the Arc.
I couldn’t find a node I liked with ‘16 and 80.5’s, which led me to think I needed something a tic faster with lighter bullets.
LVR is magnificent with 75’s, but yes, it is a bit temp sensitive.
With 62’s, I’d try StaBall Match. A friends .223AI love it with 69SMK’s.
I couldn’t find a node I liked with ‘16 and 80.5’s, which led me to think I needed something a tic faster with lighter bullets.
LVR is magnificent with 75’s, but yes, it is a bit temp sensitive.
With 62’s, I’d try StaBall Match. A friends .223AI love it with 69SMK’s.
Thanks for the info. I would love to use RL16 as I have about 12lbs of it, but the charts show H4350 as compressed, so RL16 would likely be the same. Your logic is what made me think of RL15.5 since it is a little bit faster. Thanks again.
Going thru old supply of 3 gun bullets. Came across 1000 rounds of sierra 69 gr BTHP match. Did some load work up with the Hornady 62 gr and found my barrel likes that 3260 area with. 30.6 of Lever.. Hornady load data for their 68 gr BTHP has max charge of 29.5 of Lever. Do you think this is a good max reference for the 69 gr. for load development.
Got my new Ruger American Ranch 22ARC to the range yesterday for some initial powder tests with the Hornady 62gr ELD-VT. CFE223, H335, Varget and Reloder15.5. Looks like my limits are in the 3100-3200 fps range with the 16" barrel. Started to see some primer cratering at the top end, but no flattening of the primer, ejector marks or stiff bolt lift. My firing pin hole may just be a little too big. Using CCI450's so it is not a soft primer issue.
Reloder 15.5 was too slow at 30.0gr. (100% filled case), only got up to 2900fps. It may be good for heavier bullets like the 80gr ELDX though. The gun, however, would not feed for sh**. It's going back to Ruger on an RMA to check the feed ramp or something. It is not field ready. Disappointing since I have been waiting for this rifle to make it to market for months.
Reloder 15.5 was too slow at 30.0gr. (100% filled case), only got up to 2900fps. It may be good for heavier bullets like the 80gr ELDX though. The gun, however, would not feed for sh**. It's going back to Ruger on an RMA to check the feed ramp or something. It is not field ready. Disappointing since I have been waiting for this rifle to make it to market for months.
Since I had so many powders and range of charge weights, I only did one round per charge so the POI moved around quite a bit.
Now that I have a much smaller window to consider, I will do progressive 3 shot groups and chart the POI changes.
Based on more research, I think I am going to introduce Win Stabal Match to the mix. I am really looking for temperature stability and low SD/ES.
Now I will just have to wait to get the rifle back from Ruger due to the feeding issues before I can do any more load development.
What velocities are you getting? I really want to do another MK12 but in 22 ARC. Even gave thought to just swapping barrel and bolt on my MK12.
18" craddock RTR
Yes tried RL16, Staball Match, Staball 6.5, TAC, cfe223, n540....
Only rl16 was close on es/SD. I'm fine with the velo. My main issue is the chamber is wholly shit long. Have to create a false shoulder of 12k on new brass. Kinda a pain in the ass, but works ok.
Since RL16 was a close contender. I wonder how it would compare to H4350 in a temp stability test. 5 shots at ambient summer temps and 5 shots out of a cooler. In other calibers, I have found RL16 to be more stable than most. Staball Match is also touted as being very temp stable (no experience with it yet though). When I hunt coyotes, it could be 33 or 103 degrees.
I've found RL16 to be very temp stable, just can't get enough in the arc case to get any velo. Staball match has been very good temp wise in 556 loads with 77 smk and 55 blitz for me.
I admit to not being a big gas gun guy, but the instability of cfe223 and Lever are a nogo for my uses.
Also of note is that my es on 5 shots with 16 and 80 vld was 4. But only 2600 fps.
