I believed that is just from going to far back up after i seated the primer. So the top part of the neck slightly touched the expander ball again.
22 ARC
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You are correct. After closer inspection the necks are belled slightly. Dont seem to affect anything so far.
I just spoke with Rainier Arms. They have 22" 22ARC barrels in stock and will have 18" non-fluted barrels coming in stock in a few weeks. Both are Ultramatch series. I don't know of anyone else with them in stock; Uintah Precision has them but $1k+ is a lot of money for a standard upper build.
I just checked Rainier's website, they haven't added any .22 ARC items to the site yet, looks like you'll have to pick up the phone at the moment.
The "Site Search" box at the top didn't turn up results when I checked.
Rainier is still in the office, they're on pacific time, so it's not 5:00 PM Yet.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it...
Rainier is still in the office, they're on pacific time, so it's not 5:00 PM Yet.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it...
The 22arc barrel on Rainier's site could only be found by googling it. I talked with them and they're aware, they said they're working through some website fixes right now.
Yeah I saw those, but an 18" barrel with mid gas sounds like a rough shooter.
I have a 22" from Rainier on the way. And 100 rds of 88 ELD-M so I can break it in and fire-form some brass.
Need some 62gr ELD-VTs to load. Where are they?!?
Opinions on using any of the 62-70gr T-REX offerings from Maker in the 22 ARC?
Need some 62gr ELD-VTs to load. Where are they?!?
Opinions on using any of the 62-70gr T-REX offerings from Maker in the 22 ARC?
Well its -20 outside with a 30 mph wind so i aint shootin any groups now. But a kind gentlemen sent me 20 62eldvt bullets and i got then to 3300 fps with cfe 223 powder and there is more speed potential left. Also shooting the 53 vmax at 3470 fps with great accuracy.
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The 22 ARC IS....the same old 22 PPC! Recycled! With a new name ...total LOL Nothing is new. Go Hornady! It was a popular benchrest cartridge many years back, just necked down 6 mm PPC...
Probably within a grain of the water capacity of the orginial.
But the 22 PPC was for bolt gun benchrest and not limited to the 50,000 psi of the AR.
It has the potential to be very accurate, but most went back to the 6mm PPC many yrs ago as the 6mm was more accurate over the long haul...probably just the Berger and other match bullets available made the difference, but the 22 PPC never made a come back. Sako even made rifles for varmints in that caliber.
The capacity is close to the 224 Valkyrie, and the Valkyrie can handle a bit more pressure in the AR platform. So it's likely a draw between the two.
For varmints I'd just use the 5.56 and load em hot, same result, and ya don't care about the brass.
The 22 Nosler has more capacity in the lighter bullets and more velocity overall, but they need to be seated out single shot when heavy bullets are used.
An old benchrest caliber renamed ...22 PPC is now a new 22 ARC, probably with a slightly shorter neck.
Probably within a grain of the water capacity of the orginial.
But the 22 PPC was for bolt gun benchrest and not limited to the 50,000 psi of the AR.
It has the potential to be very accurate, but most went back to the 6mm PPC many yrs ago as the 6mm was more accurate over the long haul...probably just the Berger and other match bullets available made the difference, but the 22 PPC never made a come back. Sako even made rifles for varmints in that caliber.
The capacity is close to the 224 Valkyrie, and the Valkyrie can handle a bit more pressure in the AR platform. So it's likely a draw between the two.
For varmints I'd just use the 5.56 and load em hot, same result, and ya don't care about the brass.
The 22 Nosler has more capacity in the lighter bullets and more velocity overall, but they need to be seated out single shot when heavy bullets are used.
An old benchrest caliber renamed ...22 PPC is now a new 22 ARC, probably with a slightly shorter neck.
22arc is a neck downed 6.5 Grendel. Dimensions are different than ppc in several areas. Same parent .220 Russian though obviously.
Capacity wise, it's in between a 6ppc and 6br.
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Don't mean to dog the 224 Valkyrie, but it was one of the most difficult bottle neck cartridges to get an AR 15 to shoot 5 shots into less than a half inch at 100 yds.
Got a new 6.5 twist barrel for 95 gr SMK, still not up to tbe accuracy task. Tear it down and investigate, the Areo Precision wasn't quite precise..Machine it. Still not getting there... center the bolt carrier in the bore...that did it!
This poceedure usually only makes a small difference...not with the 224 Valkyrie.
So the 22 ARC would have to exceed this performance with 95 gr SMK before I'd be interested.
The 22 ARC should be an accurate cartridge, it's almost identical to the old benchrest 22PPC.
Most all AR 15s can be made accurate, including the difficult 224 Valkyrie...that's my experience with it. It can shoot small 5 shot groups at 100 yds when properly set up. But so can the 22 ARC, is my guess, maybe easier, depending on the components and quality of assembly.
Got a new 6.5 twist barrel for 95 gr SMK, still not up to tbe accuracy task. Tear it down and investigate, the Areo Precision wasn't quite precise..Machine it. Still not getting there... center the bolt carrier in the bore...that did it!
This poceedure usually only makes a small difference...not with the 224 Valkyrie.
So the 22 ARC would have to exceed this performance with 95 gr SMK before I'd be interested.
The 22 ARC should be an accurate cartridge, it's almost identical to the old benchrest 22PPC.
Most all AR 15s can be made accurate, including the difficult 224 Valkyrie...that's my experience with it. It can shoot small 5 shot groups at 100 yds when properly set up. But so can the 22 ARC, is my guess, maybe easier, depending on the components and quality of assembly.
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Yep, as I figured, the shoulder a bit forward almost identical, .030" shoulder increase won't make any practical difference mostly cosmetic, so it wouldn't fire in a 22PPC unless it had a little excess head space.
Almost half of the .030" could be taken up in head space max tolerences between the two cartridges. The slight increase might be 12 fps in velocity, barrels and S/D would determine which was slightly faster...if loaded to the same pressure, but the PPC can be loaded hotter by far because it was never intended for an AR 15.
All these cartridges come from the Russian 7.62 X 39, which became the 220 Russian then added SR primer . The old inaccurate AK 47... Just before that the 222 Rem was the accuracy king, and Walt Berger won benchrest matches and records set with the 222 Rem, invented by Mike Walker of Remington, where the 223 Rem & 5.56 Nato spring from.
So yep, a 22 ARC, a 22 grendel, a 22 PPC, standard, or 40° shoulder, highly improved, by many over the years. Just AK 47 brass with a small primer pocket necked down to 6mm and 22 caliber was found to be very accurate in 1974. So big whoop, Hornady and their new advanced rifle cartridge line...none of it's "new."
They just standardized the old wildcats, gunsmiths were making for their accuracy and long range customers...but I'm glad they do even with all the hype, because this allows more people have access to these already proven ideas..50 yrs ago...without an expensive gunsmith, and long wait time...plus certain customers get ahead of others inline.
Nothing new, its all been done before.
Reminds me I got beat in a match, by a a 225 Winchester...very accurate. A long time ago,
If anyone recalls what that caliber is. Being a 222 Rem fan for that sort of endeavor.
Nope, you're not interpreting it right. These cartridges are "almost" identical.. .030" length at the shouldet is no performance gain. You most likely could chamber the shorter shouldered 22 PPC shoulder in the 22 ARC and fire it.
And could "almost" about half way there depending on chambering and brass sizing, chamber the longer one in the shoter chamber made 006" deep chamber still in and if one is chambered to the max and it could go to .008" deeper, but should not, plus .002" to .005" for the The cartridge cases are shorter than minimum to fit all chambers, a hard hand on the bolt of a long chamber and a short cartridge could chamber...not likely but possible, for sloppy chambering and bad reloading....But you could be half way there, easily, as stated.
So the point is these two cartridges are that close, ...over sizing and too deep chamber could take up half of the .030" difference.
This cartridge was somewhat popular 40 yrs ago...but the 6 mm version is still going strong, as the 6 mm was found to be more accurate for benchrest purposes.
What magazine is used in an AR15 for 22 ARC? I've got an upper coming and 88 grain Hornady. Thanks
Any 6.5 Grendel mag should work. People have different opinions on which one is "best". I like the ASC mags.
Nope, still waiting on usps to find my barrel.
What are thoughts on using N133 to load 22 ARC? I am using it in my 6.5 Grendel with 90gr Noslers and have great accuracy and speed.
If it’s working for you in the Grendel at a similar barrel length and you’re going to be shooting heavies in the 22, might as well use it as a starting point.
Thinking grendel, br, and dasher common powders will be in play depending on barrel length and projectile.
CFE223 always did the best for me in an 18” grendel shooting 6.5 107 smks.
Stoked to get some feedback on how the proof factory prefits do, especially on the shorter lengths they are offering.
My six yo wants to shoot his first deer next season. I was ready to set him up in .223 around the 77gr tmk when I saw that proof is going to go the arc in prefits. Thought it might leave some flexibility on purpose down the road when he grows out of .224 for hunting. That said, I hope he shoots enough at the steel range with his daddy that it’s burnt out and a moot point!
My six yo wants to shoot his first deer next season. I was ready to set him up in .223 around the 77gr tmk when I saw that proof is going to go the arc in prefits. Thought it might leave some flexibility on purpose down the road when he grows out of .224 for hunting. That said, I hope he shoots enough at the steel range with his daddy that it’s burnt out and a moot point!
Shot my Rainier 22” today w/ factory 88 ELD-M.
2765 fps avg. SDs were in the 10-14 range. Accuracy was meh. 1 MOA-ish.
Going to load 77 TMK with N133 and see what I get.
Also have TAC, H335, and Lever. Going to pick up CFE223 when I can. Hopefully N133 produces the result that I want since that’s what I have the most of.
2765 fps avg. SDs were in the 10-14 range. Accuracy was meh. 1 MOA-ish.
Going to load 77 TMK with N133 and see what I get.
Also have TAC, H335, and Lever. Going to pick up CFE223 when I can. Hopefully N133 produces the result that I want since that’s what I have the most of.
a 62 grain Barnes TTSX with AR-Comp or CFE223 propelling it should work well in that role.
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Varget may be just a smidge slow on burning rate, but every barrel is different and yours could have a sweet tooth for that combo.
CFE 223 / AR-Comp / IMR 8208XBR / TAC may be a little better starting point if you have those powders available.
If you're looking for bolt guns in .22 ARC
Long Barrel
https://ruger.com/products/americanRifleGenII/models.html
SKU # 46918 They are teasing it as available in 1st Quarter 2024
Short Barrel, probably AR 15 Pattern Magazine compatible
SKU # 46925 They are teasing it as available in 1st Quarter 2024
Long Barrel
https://ruger.com/products/americanRifleGenII/models.html
SKU # 46918 They are teasing it as available in 1st Quarter 2024
Short Barrel, probably AR 15 Pattern Magazine compatible
SKU # 46925 They are teasing it as available in 1st Quarter 2024
