Another option is RL15.5, I was able to get 30.0gr in the case but with the 62gr ELD-VT is only at 2,900. Still might not get you the velocity you are looking for. RL15.5 (not RL15) has the same temp stability as 16 but is a bit faster. If Staball Match does not work for me in the 62gr, I will move over to AR-Comp, supposed to be another temp stable powder from Alliant. I sure wish you could get 1/4lb samples and not drop $50-75 just to put it on the shelf for perpetuity.
22 ARC
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Interesting, I’ve been playing with n550 and 88s, so I was just wanting to feel out other people’s results with similar set ups
I was in sportsman’s today and saw a 16” 22 ARC Ruger American Gen 2.
Not a top end gun, but for $575, might be worth it just to try the 22 arc.
Not a top end gun, but for $575, might be worth it just to try the 22 arc.
Starline has no plans to make 22 ARC brass.
This is from an email I got from them in April:
"We are very limited in new product development due to the volume of orders for most of our production lines at this time. Once things slow down a little bit, we will consider adding new calibers to our lineup, although this is not a caliber we are currently considering. I apologize for the inconvenience."
The starline 6.5 grendel works awesome for 22 arc. Best brass i have found for the arc so far. Hornady brass is decent but not as good as starline. And the lapua 6.5 grendel brass sucks
What is your method for necking down? Do you do it in 2 steps? Use bushings, or regular dies?
I use one shot or graphite. One step in a hornady 22 arc die. I've done 4 hundred so far and zero issues. Make sure to chamfer in and out well and you shouldn't have problems.
I use regular hornady dies and royals case lube. One pass and done. Works perfectly and sizes easily. Royals case lube is the best case lube bar none.
The Starline 6.5G are a simple one-step process but don't be surprised if you have to neck turn down a mil or two. All of mine started out at 15 mils so by the time you insert the bullet you are at about 0.254, which is beyond spec. I turned mine down to about .01375, once it is fired, a new projectile barely slips in the opening.
I am not a fan of any of the Hornady brass. I only use it in hunting loads that will end up lost in the weeds.
Additionally, several people above have said they have difficulty getting any neck tension with Hornady brass since they seem to run around 11 mils and the Hornady dies wont size them down enough without a bushing.
I am not a fan of any of the Hornady brass. I only use it in hunting loads that will end up lost in the weeds.
Additionally, several people above have said they have difficulty getting any neck tension with Hornady brass since they seem to run around 11 mils and the Hornady dies wont size them down enough without a bushing.
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Has anyone ran a 22 arc profile through quickload?
Specifically wondering about the 75-88eld. I feel like because it’s so new there are a lot of powders out there that would work, but there’s no load data yet. Guess I’m wondering what QL would spit out compared to what load data we currently have access to
Specifically wondering about the 75-88eld. I feel like because it’s so new there are a lot of powders out there that would work, but there’s no load data yet. Guess I’m wondering what QL would spit out compared to what load data we currently have access to
Picked up a Ruger American 22ARC 20” not long ago and have put about 200rounds through it so far.
Chrono results with Hornady factory ammo 10 shot strings
62s 3150fps
75s 2930fps
88s 2688fps
10shot group with the 62s was 1.5”
2 10 shot groups with the 75s were 1.0” & 1.3”
10 shot group with 88s was 0.9”
Wind was 8-12mph and switching while shooting.
Ran a pressure test with varget, 80gr eldms, and 1x Hornady brass yesterday.
80gr eld
Varget
1x Hornady
cci450
COAL 2.235 (touching lands)
20” bbl
27.5 2775
28.5 2930
28.8 2950 compressed
29.1 2983 started using drop tube
29.43012
29.7 3035
30 3067
30.3 3090
30.6 3109 ej flow primer starting to flatten.
Compressed pushing bullet out .004”
Running the 10rd 6.5grendel dura mag it came with feeding has been smooth and flawless.
Base of the muzzle threading job is shit and the hellfire muzzle adapter is def not making full contact. Will get that fixed but it’s still shooting decent.
3 position saftey is nice. Action runs pretty smooth with some oil and bolt lift after being fired is not bad after 100 rounds or so. Put a 2lb trigger spring in and got a anarchy bolt handle although the factory bolt handle isn’t bad with the round knob.
Shot the 88s and 75s side by side 2 different days at 100 & 750yards 40 or 50 rounds total to see which one had less wind drift. Shot them alternating in the mag a 750 on a 3’x3’ plate. They seemed to have the exact same wind hold at 2688 vs 2930 which is what my applied ballistics solver predicted.
Hoping I will have a plinking load with the 80s around 2930fps
Also going to test some 95smks for the heck of it with accurate 2520 & BL-C2
With a March 1.5-15x42 (23oz) & Tbac ultra 5 it’s 8.7lbs
Chrono results with Hornady factory ammo 10 shot strings
62s 3150fps
75s 2930fps
88s 2688fps
10shot group with the 62s was 1.5”
2 10 shot groups with the 75s were 1.0” & 1.3”
10 shot group with 88s was 0.9”
Wind was 8-12mph and switching while shooting.
Ran a pressure test with varget, 80gr eldms, and 1x Hornady brass yesterday.
80gr eld
Varget
1x Hornady
cci450
COAL 2.235 (touching lands)
20” bbl
27.5 2775
28.5 2930
28.8 2950 compressed
29.1 2983 started using drop tube
29.43012
29.7 3035
30 3067
30.3 3090
30.6 3109 ej flow primer starting to flatten.
Compressed pushing bullet out .004”
Running the 10rd 6.5grendel dura mag it came with feeding has been smooth and flawless.
Base of the muzzle threading job is shit and the hellfire muzzle adapter is def not making full contact. Will get that fixed but it’s still shooting decent.
3 position saftey is nice. Action runs pretty smooth with some oil and bolt lift after being fired is not bad after 100 rounds or so. Put a 2lb trigger spring in and got a anarchy bolt handle although the factory bolt handle isn’t bad with the round knob.
Shot the 88s and 75s side by side 2 different days at 100 & 750yards 40 or 50 rounds total to see which one had less wind drift. Shot them alternating in the mag a 750 on a 3’x3’ plate. They seemed to have the exact same wind hold at 2688 vs 2930 which is what my applied ballistics solver predicted.
Hoping I will have a plinking load with the 80s around 2930fps
Also going to test some 95smks for the heck of it with accurate 2520 & BL-C2
With a March 1.5-15x42 (23oz) & Tbac ultra 5 it’s 8.7lbs
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No. Published Hornady 22ARC bolt gun Load data shows 28.5gr of varget as a max load, 3000fps, 24in, Coal 2.250”, 80gr eld-m. It states pressure is between 60-62K
Below is the max charge tested 30.6gr of varget where I started to see visual pressure signs That was 3109fps in a 20” barrel with the 80gr ELD Coal 2.235”
Below is the max charge tested 30.6gr of varget where I started to see visual pressure signs That was 3109fps in a 20” barrel with the 80gr ELD Coal 2.235”
Temp was 104*this afternoon. I tested one Hornady case with the 80gr eld at 29.4gr of varget. Got 10 firings and stopped there because I got tired of messing with it. Pocket is still snug and it’s ready for more. Left the gun outside the whole time so the chamber stayed toasty and I could get a better idea of pressures. Case looks fine, one very faint ej mark and that’s it.
Again this was running out of a Ruger Gen II bolt gun 20” bbl
29.4gr- 3020fps 80gr eld-m
Again this was running out of a Ruger Gen II bolt gun 20” bbl
29.4gr- 3020fps 80gr eld-m
Probably so, but I was only expecting to get about 3xs with that charge. Will start shooting some groups in the 2900 range and see how it does but running it around 3000 is tempting although pressure is probably higher than you want to be running.
I will check it tomorrow if I remember. Probably 63k-65k if I took a wild guess lol.
Picked up my Ruger American Gen II 22ARC last week. Vortex DB Tactical 4-16x44 FFP
At 110yds, groups were .7 (88 grain) and .4 (62 grain) Temp 100F @ 4000 fasl, humidity 19%
Will try again next week; I'll load 75 ELD-M this week to test now that I have a few cases.
20" bbl so probably lost 150-200fps(?) over the 24" Hornady uses to test.
Factory 88 ELD-M
Data from Garmin Xero
Factory 62 ELD-VT
At 110yds, groups were .7 (88 grain) and .4 (62 grain) Temp 100F @ 4000 fasl, humidity 19%
Will try again next week; I'll load 75 ELD-M this week to test now that I have a few cases.
20" bbl so probably lost 150-200fps(?) over the 24" Hornady uses to test.
Factory 88 ELD-M
Data from Garmin Xero
Factory 62 ELD-VT
That’s a good start, damn good groups with factory ammo and a factory rifle.
You will probably pick up a few FPS after a few rounds through it. My 20" gas gun picked up an avg 75 fps after 150 rounds through it.
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Picked up a complete upper at Midway for $375 with a discount code. It's their AR Stoner brand, so I'll see how it shoots as it breaks in. So far it's shooting the factory 88s around .75 to 1.0" but the impressive thing is the ES and SD. Again, the barrel is speeding up and breaking in but in an 8 shot string the SD was 7.5, which isn't bad for factory ammo. I'm getting some fliers so I'll have to figure that out.
I have some dies on the way so I'll jump down the rabbit hole with you all.
How's the brass life out of a semi auto so far? It doesn't seem to be getting beat up too badly.
I have some dies on the way so I'll jump down the rabbit hole with you all.
How's the brass life out of a semi auto so far? It doesn't seem to be getting beat up too badly.
Is there really that much of an advantage 22 ARC over 6mm ARC?
Asking as someone who has a lot of 6ARC brass and loaded ammo and wants to better understand 22 ARC.
Asking as someone who has a lot of 6ARC brass and loaded ammo and wants to better understand 22 ARC.
My main deal is shooting cheaper bullets and less recoil. Now is it really much less I haven't shot them both in the same day. I have a couple 22 arc uppers and using them for varmints. Not really lr target shooting.
I'm curious to try it in mine. They shot lights out in my factory 8 twist Remington in 223, all the way out to 1k if you could see impacts.
I don't own a 22 ARC, no interest in it.
You already have the 223, it takes more pressure, in the AR by design, cheap brass, cheap loaded anmo everywhere.
For small deer I'd prefer the 6mm ARC, where a 22 cal is illegal to hunt big game.
I saw a video where a guy shot 60 coyotes out to 700 yds and many closer ones on a full run hundreds of yds out with 108 ELDM factory ammo...it has pretty impressive killing power on coyotes.
The 6mm ARC would have longer barrel life than the 22 ARC.
One can run pretty hot loads in a 223 bolt gun with longer COAL, and the 223 Ackley version was popular in the Varmint Hunters club yrs ago.
The Cooper Challange.
"Putting 20rds, in a 20 inch circle, in 20 seconds, at 1000 yds", was accomplished with the 223.
My favorite 6mm ARC load in the 18" AR barrel is 108 ELDM at 2667 fps Ave with low S/D, and Leverevolution powder.
It's very accurate in the Proof barreled ARs.
But for light bullets the 6mm ARC leaves something to be desired, in velocity.
So I don't use light bullets in it, mostly 107 SMK, 108 Eldm, 108 Berger, 110 SMK, 112 Barnes, to 115 Dtac.
Then I have a 6 lb AR 10 in 308 with 16" barrel shooting 168 ELDM at 2756 fps, with 1/2" 5 shot group accuracy....easy to carry and fairly good at longer ranges....but I wouldn't use it in a prairie dogs town.
So for general shooting, varmint hunting, these 2 new ARC cartridges don't really offer much over the 223...especially if one goes to longer COAL, and use the BobSled to drop in long cartridges. Or a binary trigger and run over 1000 rounds per minute, for plinking fun, the 223 already does this pretty well, very cheaply, so one can shoot alot.
It's up to the individual, to decide, I like the 6mm ARC because of its accuracy, and performance with heavy bullets is pretty good, for an AR 15.
For close range AR 15 knockdown power, it would be a fast 16 twist barrel in 450 Bushmaster with 500 gr jacketed bullets in large bear country, like Alaska, not a good varmint cailber. But one can make shot shell cartridges for it for small game.
You already have the 223, it takes more pressure, in the AR by design, cheap brass, cheap loaded anmo everywhere.
For small deer I'd prefer the 6mm ARC, where a 22 cal is illegal to hunt big game.
I saw a video where a guy shot 60 coyotes out to 700 yds and many closer ones on a full run hundreds of yds out with 108 ELDM factory ammo...it has pretty impressive killing power on coyotes.
The 6mm ARC would have longer barrel life than the 22 ARC.
One can run pretty hot loads in a 223 bolt gun with longer COAL, and the 223 Ackley version was popular in the Varmint Hunters club yrs ago.
The Cooper Challange.
"Putting 20rds, in a 20 inch circle, in 20 seconds, at 1000 yds", was accomplished with the 223.
My favorite 6mm ARC load in the 18" AR barrel is 108 ELDM at 2667 fps Ave with low S/D, and Leverevolution powder.
It's very accurate in the Proof barreled ARs.
But for light bullets the 6mm ARC leaves something to be desired, in velocity.
So I don't use light bullets in it, mostly 107 SMK, 108 Eldm, 108 Berger, 110 SMK, 112 Barnes, to 115 Dtac.
Then I have a 6 lb AR 10 in 308 with 16" barrel shooting 168 ELDM at 2756 fps, with 1/2" 5 shot group accuracy....easy to carry and fairly good at longer ranges....but I wouldn't use it in a prairie dogs town.
So for general shooting, varmint hunting, these 2 new ARC cartridges don't really offer much over the 223...especially if one goes to longer COAL, and use the BobSled to drop in long cartridges. Or a binary trigger and run over 1000 rounds per minute, for plinking fun, the 223 already does this pretty well, very cheaply, so one can shoot alot.
It's up to the individual, to decide, I like the 6mm ARC because of its accuracy, and performance with heavy bullets is pretty good, for an AR 15.
For close range AR 15 knockdown power, it would be a fast 16 twist barrel in 450 Bushmaster with 500 gr jacketed bullets in large bear country, like Alaska, not a good varmint cailber. But one can make shot shell cartridges for it for small game.
That's why this really is so subjective. Because I had the 6mm arc and thought....meh.
You are correct ....imagine the disappointment with my first store bought upper in 6mm ARC. With the Areo Precision upper and a BA barrel with 108 eldm match ammo it shot 2.5" 5 shot groups. Disappointed with the terrible accuracy, I built another with a Proof Research barrel and fired them on the same day with the same ammo. The Proof barrels first 5 shot group was 1/2"....the Areo precision upper shot the same 2.5" group at 100 yds.
Bought another 6mm ARC Proof Research barrel and discarded the Blastic Advantage barrel and rebuilt the Areo upper. It also shoots groups in the .4" to .5" for 5 shots.
So I like it for the accuracy, with Proof barrels.
Fact is, for me, the 6mm ARC would be history if it weren't for the accuracy of the Proof barrels...making it fun to shoot.
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Long thread, I'm sorry if this is already somewhere in here.
I'm going to be sitting down to start loading after I jus got my 18"AR barrel. 62gn eldvt. Looking to load AR Comp or H4895. Any point me in the direction, or know, where to find a good place for starting/max loads?
I'm going to be sitting down to start loading after I jus got my 18"AR barrel. 62gn eldvt. Looking to load AR Comp or H4895. Any point me in the direction, or know, where to find a good place for starting/max loads?
The Hornady online is a great starting place.
Thank you. I should've looked there. Just knew my book was way too old. This should get me there.
ELDVT isn't in the QL library, 65JLK is pretty close though.
Cartridge : .22 Advanced Rifle Cartrige
Bullet : .224, 65, JLK LD #2265
Useable Case Capaci: 31.454 grain H2O = 2.042 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Alliant AR-Comp *C *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 85 23.85 2806 1136 37902 8936 99.9 1.106
-09.0 86 24.12 2834 1159 39113 8989 100.0 1.090
-08.0 87 24.38 2862 1182 40365 9038 100.0 1.074
-07.0 88 24.65 2889 1205 41656 9084 100.0 1.059
-06.0 89 24.91 2917 1228 42990 9129 100.0 1.044
-05.0 90 25.18 2944 1251 44366 9174 100.0 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
-04.0 91 25.44 2971 1274 45792 9219 100.0 1.015 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 92 25.71 2998 1297 47263 9263 100.0 1.000 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 93 25.97 3025 1321 48783 9306 100.0 0.987 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 94 26.24 3052 1344 50353 9349 100.0 0.973 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 94 26.50 3078 1367 51978 9391 100.0 0.960 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 95 26.77 3104 1391 53648 9433 100.0 0.947 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 96 27.03 3130 1414 55364 9474 100.0 0.934 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 97 27.30 3156 1438 57130 9514 100.0 0.921 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 98 27.56 3182 1462 58951 9554 100.0 0.909 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 99 27.83 3208 1486 60828 9593 100.0 0.897 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 94 26.50 3183 1462 63208 9045 100.0 0.890 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 94 26.50 2916 1228 41530 9802 99.3 1.053
