22 creedmoor

Needing some assistance with selecting a bullet and powder. I have a 22" carbonsix 7.7 twist I bought for coyote hunting. I have 53vmax, 60vmax, 69smk, 75eldm, 77smk, and 85.5 bergers. I'd really like to stick with something that will run fast and flat if they won't blow up. Powders I have varget, 4350, and h1000. So far it's looking like 75eldm and h1000 would work pretty good from what I'm reading. I'd definitely like a full case with good speeds.
Ive ran 77tmk above 3600 with rl26 in a 7.9tw, no blowups.
 
Needing some assistance with selecting a bullet and powder. I have a 22" carbonsix 7.7 twist I bought for coyote hunting. I have 53vmax, 60vmax, 69smk, 75eldm, 77smk, and 85.5 bergers. I'd really like to stick with something that will run fast and flat if they won't blow up. Powders I have varget, 4350, and h1000. So far it's looking like 75eldm and h1000 would work pretty good from what I'm reading. I'd definitely like a full case with good speeds.
The 69smk with 39.0gn of Varget from your 22" bll should net you around 3525fps and it does bad things to critters. Its special brother, the 69gn Tipped Matchking is nastier, and an excellent choice for coyotes. The poly tip TMK tends to upset more violently than the SMK. The rib cage pic was after it had come through the near side shoulder as it entered the thoracic cavity. Jacket and core were found under the hide on the off side. This was appx a 110# Oklahoma whitetail that my son shot. Deer went about 30feet, most of which was sideways after he stood back up...his compass didn't really work right after the impact. Lol.
 

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The 69smk with 39.0gn of Varget from your 22" bll should net you around 3525fps and it does bad things to critters. Its special brother, the 69gn Tipped Matchking is nastier, and an excellent choice for coyotes. The poly tip TMK tends to upset more violently than the SMK. The rib cage pic was after it had come through the near side shoulder as it entered the thoracic cavity. Jacket and core were found under the hide on the off side. This was appx a 110# Oklahoma whitetail that my son shot. Deer went about 30feet, most of which was sideways after he stood back up...his compass didn't really work right after the impact. Lol.
What’s you furthest coyote kill with the 69 smk?
How did it perform at distance?
 
What’s you furthest coyote kill with the 69 smk?
How did it perform at distance?
The tipped match king upsets very well, even at distance. Typically the SMK has a thicker jacket at the meplate and does not upset as violently...but..

I bought a needle finger drill set off of Amazon and used a bit to relieve just a little jacket material on the inside the hollowpoint of the SMK's that my son was running on his deer to expedite meplate upset at impact. It was a bit of an experiment to see what the expansion would be. Violent is an under statement. From this harvest experience, I have decided that for whitetails, I will next try an SMK without the meplate being drilled and see if the expansion is a little slower and if the bullet tends to carry a little more retained weight. While dead is dead, I would prefer not to waste the shoulder if possible and my son is not quite yet practiced enough to start making mostly head shots. I have also decided that for coyotes, I will have him running drilled meplates for the violent expansion. It should be a train wreck on a coyote. The TMK's on coyotes have been excellent out to around 400yds, I have not yet hit a coyote at distance with a drilled SMK. In a 556, an undrilled 69smk is best off when put on the shoulder blade to aid in upset at the lower speeds. I don't think that will be necessary at creed speed. Still a work in progress, but for the price of $15 off Amazon, the needle drill seems to have helped keep the typically tougher SMK from penciling through, and added another option to keep the guns running during our unprecedented components shortage. My first choice is the 69 Tipped Match King, but so far, with the drilled meplate, I am happy with the information that I have gathered on the good ole SMK.
 
Got the first 20rd down the barrel with a starting load. Theyre running 3320fps in a 22" barrel with suppressor


Saw your post on fb. Lol. Wonder what the velocity jump to rl26 would be? It's a longer barrel then I ordered, but I am a short barrel snob, ill sacrifice velocity, although with rl26 I might not be.
 
Results from my 22 creed build.

18" bartlein 1/8 .219 rem varmint. Chambered by straight jacket

75g ELD-M
alpha non ocd brass
cci 450
2.100 CBTO
42g H4350


ran 41-42.5g through the chrony and settled on 42g going 3287 (one of the first 20 rounds through the barrel) hoping it settles down around 3350-3400 once broke in.

immediately went and sighted in with my thermal (to get going on the early season) and it bugholed 2x 5 shot groups. Since then i have shot less than 10 rounds through the rifle and have 7 coyotes on the ground anywhere from 75yds to 340yds (1 was a runner i shot at 3 times). This setup HAMMERS for night hunting.

once i get 100 rounds or so on it i'll measure the lands, check for any signs of carbon ring, and see where my speeds are, if necessary i might lower the charge a touch to be a little easier on it
Whats the chamber option? I didnt see 22creed on their drop downs but I was looking at it a few days ago again hoping to see it
 
Got the first 20rd down the barrel with a starting load. Theyre running 3320fps in a 22" barrel with suppressor


Looks good, and plenty of room to move up. My 22" runs 3393fps with 42.2gn of h4350 pushing the Berger 80.5's in lapua sRP brass. I could easily lean on it some more to get over 3400fps, but this load is easy on brass and does everything I need it to, and a few more fps wouldn't gain anything worth the cost.
 
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Who makes Tikka prefits in 22 Creedmoor? Or is it easier to buy a stainless 22-250 with 1-8” twist and rechamber?
Patriot Valley Arms. Good barrels, too.

 
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Patriot Valley Arms. Good barrels, too.

PVA only has 1-7 twist barrels for 22 cal
 
Looks good, and plenty of room to move up. My 22" runs 3393fps with 42.2gn of h4350 pushing the Berger 80.5's in lapua sRP brass. I could easily lean on it some more to get over 3400fps, but this load is easy on brass and does everything I need it to, and a few more fps wouldn't gain anything worth the cost.


That's how I feel. Im not gonna ruin good brass trying to run it super hard to gain what... .1 less elevation. Doesn't make enough difference to be worth it
 
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Is that too fast for the heavies? Or too slow?
Im still trying to figure that out myself but I know he asked for 1:8, so I just wanted to point it out.

More than likely ill stay in the 75-ELM/77TMK and MAYBE stretch it out to 88ELD-M but im not sure id go that high in weight or not.
 
People having good luck with C6?

They have a half moa guarantee of I remember correctly
They do. However, I feel like its super easy to always say its the shooter. They will re-inspect the barrel but you have to send them your entire gun including scope etc, exactly how you had it set up. Sounds like they will test the entire system but that shipping costs would get up there quickly.
 
Usually when I'm trying to figure out what twist I need, I consult two things. Bergers stability calculator and the RPM formula. Got to make sure it's stable but doesn't spin faster than 300K. Altitude, temp, and bullet length counts for a lot in stability while it matters not in RPM. Bullet caliber, weight, and length also matter not. It's all twist rate and speed.

I'm shooting a C6 1:7.7" in 22 Creedmoor. At 6000ft ASL.

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RPMs

MV(12/twist rate)60= RPMs

3150 x (12÷7.7) x 60 = 294,525rpms.
I see your point on altitude… that same combo at SL gets me “marginal” stability.

For RPM formula…12 and 60 don’t need to be separated.

MV ÷ twist x 720 = RPM
 
I see your point on altitude… that same combo at SL gets me “marginal” stability.

For RPM formula…12 and 60 don’t need to be separated.

MV ÷ twist x 720 = RPM
I’m only at 800 ASL, that compared to 6000ASL as someone posted above is a massive difference. Not sure I’ve ever run those numbers that way before to notice
 
Another thumbs up for C6. I’ve had 3 C6 barrels now. They’re great and really let you customize. 2 22cm barres that were accurate and had good velocity.
 
I picked up a used 6.5CM Bergara B14 Ridge and had my gunsmith rebarrel to 22CM. Staying with the stats originally requested on this post::

Berger / 85.5 gr / Long Range Hybrid Target
H4350
39.2gr
CCI 450 magnum SRP
3137 avg Velocity (3142, 3136, 3134): SD=4, ES=8
Benchmark SS #5 / 1:8 / 22" / fluted / threaded / coated
69 rounds from 9/4/22 - 1/1/23
6mm Lapua brass necked down to .263, then .253 with Redding bushing dies
Advanced Armament CO 762-sdn-6 suppressor

VLD is wrong in the picture

Devastating on Coyotes
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Anyone have a 22creee PVA prefit?

Looking for info in regards to the neck diameter it’s reamed to. Wondering if I’m going to have any issues using alpha brass at approximately .252 loaded diameter.
 
Brand new Wilson 1:8 twist 22"

39 grains of Varget and 69 TMK's did 3,530 FPS with Alpha SRP brass. No pressure signs yet but sometimes those show up more after a few loading cycles on the brass. Going to try this on a coyote or 2.

40.0 grains of H4350 gave me 3,250 fps with an 80 ELD-M. I didn't load any higher charges but I imagine I could push this to 42.0 grains and ~3,400 FPS.
 
What’s everyone using for a seating die for 85 plus grain projectiles.

I normally seat on an arbor press but don’t really want to deal with getting a wilson seater blank cut
 
i built a new 22 cred and am doing well with my main 77 Gr sierra tmk load and 39 gr of H4350, but am wanting to build one for a 65 grain sierra gameking SBT.…

Does anyone have any ideas on a starting load? I have h4350, superformance and several other powder Options. Thanks
 
i built a new 22 cred and am doing well with my main 77 Gr sierra tmk load and 39 gr of H4350, but am wanting to build one for a 65 grain sierra gameking SBT.…

Does anyone have any ideas on a starting load? I have h4350, superformance and several other powder Options. Thanks
Your 39gr H4350 load is pretty light. I'd start at 40 with the 65 maybe even 41gr.
 
Not following the format but for the post but I am looking for some advice.

I have everything to assemble my 22 Creed but haven’t had my blank chambered. Any recommendations for a gunsmith? 6.5 twist bartlein, I plan to shoot 70-90gr bullets in a shorter barrel length (18”-20”) any advice would be much appreciated. I know I may have to use solids with that fast twist but thought I’d give it a go.
 
Not following the format but for the post but I am looking for some advice.

I have everything to assemble my 22 Creed but haven’t had my blank chambered. Any recommendations for a gunsmith? 6.5 twist bartlein, I plan to shoot 70-90gr bullets in a shorter barrel length (18”-20”) any advice would be much appreciated. I know I may have to use solids with that fast twist but thought I’d give it a go.
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I'll try to get this back on track...
I have 75 ELDMs and a 20 inch barrel coming. Alpha brass.
I have RL26, H1000, H4350, Varget, and Superformance as candidates.
I'd like to use RL26 or H1000, but am thinking I may need a heavier bullet and / or longer barrel to maximize their potential.
Thoughts? Should I just skip right to H4350 since I know that will work?
 
How about you all take your petty bullshit somewhere else?

I'll try to get this back on track...
I have 75 ELDMs and a 20 inch barrel coming. Alpha brass.
I have RL26, H1000, H4350, Varget, and Superformance as candidates.
I'd like to use RL26 or H1000, but am thinking I may need a heavier bullet and / or longer barrel to maximize their potential.
Thoughts? Should I just skip right to H4350 since I know that will work?
I would break the barrel in with H4350 since it is a known performer then dabble with the other powders after getting some 85.5 bergers to try.