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B2Lee or anyone else, have you experience any issues with “clickers” as described by Alex Wheeler et. al., here:
I am admittedly out of my element, but will try to add to the discussion.I've had people contact me and ask about the problem. I've known people and seen their rifles that were having the issues. I personally have never had the problem.
I've had many people contact me about many different quirks about the 300 PRC...and I'm at a loss...because both my barrels have run flawlessly. They were chambered with the same reamer by the same gunsmith to an original round of a retail 225gr ELD-M cartridge. I've run many different bullets, two kinds of brass, and many different powders. I've shot light loads....all the way up to loads that I would never even post here...and I've posted some pretty stout loads on here. I've blown primers out....and I've had a few heavy bolt lifts on loads that were stupid...but in general....they feed/function/extract with absolutely no issues.
I trim to 2.565 and stay away from the 2.575 and 2.580 listed in other places. My brass rarely grows. I trim as part of my reloading process EVERY time and about 20% of them lightly touch and trim at most... 1/2 a thou off. I anneal.... EVERY time....I push the shoulder back 2-2.5thou...I keep the die the same...the Hornady will push back 2.5thou and the ADG pushes back 2 thou.
My action is a Defiance Deviant Tactical and my barrel is a Bartlein....chambered by Greg and Russ at bugholes....so maybe my particular tolerances, mixed with my choice of chambering/reamer, mixed with my particular reloading techniques....keeps me from having issues that some people are having. There are just soooo many minute variables that go into play here. If I've never had the issue myself....it's hard for me to diagnose for others.
I just got .5310 at the web with once fired Hornady in a Redding FL die. (Looks just like your brass). .5320 is the SAAMI spec. Not sure I understand the issue this presents.I am admittedly out of my element, but will try to add to the discussion.
The first picture is four once fired (factory) Hornady 225s flanked on each side by an unfired case. You can see, on the four middle cases, the issue Alex discusses. The two other pictures show the measurement of a new and once fired case at the web.
Supposedly, the fired case, is not being resized at the web during he full-sized process, which creates the issue. I believe Alex had a new reamer made that is like 2 ten thousandths over spec at the web to alleviate the issue. Supposedly, others have polished the rear of their chambers a tad to do the same, and others have taken a sizing die and used a lathe to cut it off so the web is also resized.
I've read the threads and decided to contact Larry Willis at Innovative Technologies thinking his collet resizer might work. It won't as it relies on the belted area to hold the collect while the die works. However, Larry did say he was aware of the issue and suggested only bumping the shoulder 0.0015, not the 0.002 - 0.003 some bump. Apologies in advance if I got this wrong.
You asked for it.I just got .5310 at the web with once fired Hornady in a Redding FL die. (Looks just like your brass). .5320 is the SAAMI spec. Not sure I understand the issue this presents.
Just ran thru that and watched the video at the bottom of this page.You asked for it.
The PRC Die Problem
6.5PRC Die not Sizing Enough I believe they also talk to the 300 PRC in this thread also.
We would have to know what reamers they're using, no?I bet if somone compiled a list of barrel manufacturers having issues we would see a trend.
I have a Xcaliber barrel and use Hornady brass and Dies with no issues.
Someone sent me once fired brass from a Seekins Havok and it was swollen and unable to be sized.
and how used they wereWe would have to know what reamers they're using, no?
First thing's first. Who are you going to call to find out what reamer was used?We would have to know what reamers they're using, no?
and how used they were
and who made the reamers
validIf the reamer was worn, wouldn’t it produce a tight chamber? And therefore minimally sized brass? And not swollen oversized?
My bet is a batch of out of spec reamers made it into the wild.
So when are you going to buy your own reamer?As someone who suffers from SCS (Small Chamber Syndrome), this is my bet. Brass coming out of my current chamber measure .529 - .530.
Currently waiting on my new custom Whidden die.
Got 15 of these for factory ammo ... they're awesome.What ammo cans are you guys using? I've been looking around at my LGS etc. and haven't found anything decent.
So when are you going to buy your own reamer?![]()
Makes sense, especially if you go custom die route. Every concurrent barrel would be the same. Can you match dies to a reamer?Went out again today with @BFuller and was talking to him about that. I think from here on out, any new caliber/chamber I get done is going to be be from a reamer I own.
Where you guys shooting at these days?
Almost as far into Tumey as you can go. Found a good spot - having a Jeep significantly helps. At least this trip pucker factor was down and we didn't have any situations where rolling off a 300 foot cliff was a distinct possibility. That was all reserved for the last trip.
EDIT: Video is forthcoming. We only set up at 1450 because we didn't notice a couple target spots that would have gotten us to 2k or so. But then, wind was blowing 16, gusting higher, and hitting at 2k in those conditions would have been tough anyway. We also set up a target at 760 and fired standing, no rear bag, off the hood of the Jeep with my 6 BRA - was fun.
Also, shot the whole day without touching a ballistic calculator. Dialed in everything using guestimates off of DOPE from similar range shots.
Yeah, last trip there were a few really iffy sections of road. One going down to our shooting spot on that trip had a washout on a shelf road with a multi-hundred foot drop below, and a sloped high side that caused a significant cant of the Jeep. Later we were on very sketchy dried clay that was very soft and slanted in all the wrong directions.Sounds like fun. Some of those trails are sketchy and change season to season.
Are you saying this because of scarce ammo availability ... or because of some kind of ballistic problem? Just curious because I'm early in my 300-PRC load development work, and seeing good results thus far.I predict there will be more than a few 300PRC rifles for sale in the near future.
Because ammo is scarce or pushing $4rd and reloading supplies are non existent or just as outrageous.Are you saying this because of scarce ammo availability ... or because of some kind of ballistic problem? Just curious because I'm early in my 300-PRC load development work, and seeing good results thus far.
If that's the case, I suspect prices will drop on the rifles, and I'll be there to pick up a few. This is a short term problem. 6 months to a year max, and for what I see to be a great cartridge, I'll wait it out. And pick up a box here and there as needed.Because ammo is scarce or pushing $4rd and reloading supplies are non existent or just as outrageous.
The whole reason I went 300PRC over 338LM is that I didnt want shoot $5 bills.
Totally get that ... if you're supplying now from scratch. Luckily I have 400 rounds (2 full cases) of Hornady ELDM-225 cartridges, and sufficient reloading supplies to build thousands more from scratch using that fired factory brass ... so I I'm in good shape (for now). My 9,000 LR primers and four 8-lbs jugs of Accurate MagPro are looking pretty good on the shelf right now. I used to fly C130's in the Marine Corps and the old aviation joke was:Because ammo is scarce or pushing $4rd and reloading supplies are non existent or just as outrageous.
The whole reason I went 300PRC over 338LM is that I didnt want shoot $5 bills.
Ton of 338 supplies around HAHAHA.Because ammo is scarce or pushing $4rd and reloading supplies are non existent or just as outrageous.
The whole reason I went 300PRC over 338LM is that I didnt want to shoot $5 bills.
I agree so please, don't take my comments as argumentative.If Hornady was more strategic in their marketing and manufacturing they would take advantage of the current market and overproduce more ammunition in 300 PRC and 6.5 PRC. More people and future customers would be willing to invest in these calibers due to ammunition availability. This would ultimately solidify and cement the 300 PRC and 6.5 ORC calibers futures giving Hornady the market share of the 300 caliber and 6.5 calibers. However, it seems as though Hornady is only focused on the current demand and is focused on increasing production of the common calibers such as 9mm, 223, 308, and maybe 6.5 CM while only maintaining status quo on all others such as the 300 PRC and 6.5 PRC.
79 | 2543 | ft/s |
79.5 | 2606 | ft/s |
80 | 2513 | ft/s |
80.5 | 2595 | ft/s |
81 | 2586 | ft/s |
81.5 | 2541 | ft/s |
82 | 2614 | ft/s |
82.5 | 2617 | ft/s |
83 | 2662 | ft/s |
83.5 | 2637 | ft/s |
84 | 2736 | ft/s |
84.5 | 2712 | ft/s |
85 | 2768 | ft/s |
85.5 | 2728 | ft/s |
86 | 2760 | ft/s |
86.5 | 2826 | ft/s |
87 | 2820 | ft/s |
87.5 | 2811 | ft/s |
88 | 2813 | ft/s |
There seems to be some inconsistency with the progression. What were your thoughts?Lets get this thread back on track. I went out and tried some Ramshot LRT over the weekend.
24" barrel
Virgin Hornady brass
215M
225ELD @ 2.900 bto
79 2543 ft/s 79.5 2606 ft/s 80 2513 ft/s 80.5 2595 ft/s 81 2586 ft/s 81.5 2541 ft/s 82 2614 ft/s 82.5 2617 ft/s 83 2662 ft/s 83.5 2637 ft/s 84 2736 ft/s 84.5 2712 ft/s 85 2768 ft/s 85.5 2728 ft/s 86 2760 ft/s 86.5 2826 ft/s 87 2820 ft/s 87.5 2811 ft/s 88 2813 ft/s
20 rds and one ragged hole.
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I noticed that also, It definitely makes some big jumps. It's totally possible i fucked something up somewhere. But then again its half grain increments. I just did it to see what speeds im looking at and the last 4 look promising. 15fps over 1.5 grain spread, I'll take that any day.There seems to be some inconsistency with the progression. What were your thoughts?
Outdoor limited USED to have good pricing. Now they are just plain THIEVES. I paid mid $50's for 300 PRC ELDX at Bruno this week...
Wow! Maybe I need to switch to Ramshot LRT. Im using Ramshot Magnum.20 rds and one ragged hole.
There seems to be some inconsistency with the progression. What were your thoughts?
There's a guy that jumps into every 300 PRC thread to tout the Sherman. If you do a search, you may be able to find him and those threads. He may even be in here somewhere earlier in the pages.I've got a new barrel and now I'm trying to figure out who I'm going to have chamber it. I'm also torn between the 300PRC and the 300SM......looks like the Sherman mag is getting some awesome speeds and decent brass life. Any thoughts on the Sherman chambering?
I've already got my dies and some brass for the 300PRC and am 90% sure I'm going with the PRC over the Sherman mag. Just wanted some input. I've read this thread probably 3 times through and have also gone through the Sherman thread on long range hunting forum. Both are pretty awesome to be honest. I just need to pull the trigger on my barrel and get it chambered in 300PRC.There's a guy that jumps into every 300 PRC thread to tout the Sherman. If you do a search, you may be able to find him and those threads. He may even be in here somewhere earlier in the pages.
Dave Tooley, who started this thread, helped pioneer the 300 PRC and I had him chamber a blank for me. It shoots well when I do my part - shots 16-20 during break in attached (100y, prone) using factory Hornady 225s.
I believe they actually said 2nd quarter of 2021.has anyone heard when the 300 prc Lapua brass will be released? It was originally in January, but obviously that has come and gone.
uhhh, I'm dying here! I'm using Hornady now, but will just wait...........I believe they actually said 2nd quarter of 2021.
Thanks. You are correct. I've done that a couple of places, and have ADG at some places also.You can put it on backorder at some places, such as creedmoor sports.