6.5 Grendel
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Dang it….Newly released Sierra 120gr Tipped Game King are in stock at $30/100. Have 500 coming to test against 120 Ballistic Tips and 123 SST’s. Looks promising.
6.5 MM/.264 CALIBER 120 GR. TGK - Sierra Bullets
New for fall 2023 is our Sierra #4320 0.264” 120gr Tipped GameKing projectile. Because it carries the TGK name, you know it is built well for hunting. It has shown us match potential group sizes in production testing so target shoots can be easy with it as well. It was designed for the...www.sierrabullets.com
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Look forward to your tests.Newly released Sierra 120gr Tipped Game King are in stock at $30/100. Have 500 coming to test against 120 Ballistic Tips and 123 SST’s. Looks promising.
6.5 MM/.264 CALIBER 120 GR. TGK - Sierra Bullets
New for fall 2023 is our Sierra #4320 0.264” 120gr Tipped GameKing projectile. Because it carries the TGK name, you know it is built well for hunting. It has shown us match potential group sizes in production testing so target shoots can be easy with it as well. It was designed for the...
My 6.5 g may get a new barrel before much more testing, not happy with the one I have.
I am surprisingly ok with this as I’m not sure my $400 Ruger American shoots these better than the 120smk’s. But I’m sure I’ll have to try and find out somewhere down the road just because that’s what we seem to do. Till then, no freeloaders.
Lapua Brass and Hornady Brass both using either a 205m, a CCI 41, or Winchester 41
27.8-28.2gr of 748
120smk @ 1.767bto
running 2360-ish on average in my RA Predator
below are some results cherry picked of course. But most everything has been 3’s or better.
Why am I having so much trouble finding the 130 TGK projectiles? Is nobody selling them, did sierra get them off the market? And if I find them, are they too long for the grendel?
This Past Saturday I got to use my 20" 6.5 Grendel on a small whitetail doe and the Barnes 115 Grain TAC -TX did a good job on her.
She dropped in her tracks on impact and twitched for a couple of seconds before it was over.
Both lungs were destroyed and the exit wound was about the size of a half dollar.
When I put her on the four wheeler, the blood trail was good enough that Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles could have followed it.
She dropped in her tracks on impact and twitched for a couple of seconds before it was over.
Both lungs were destroyed and the exit wound was about the size of a half dollar.
When I put her on the four wheeler, the blood trail was good enough that Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles could have followed it.
I ran a load on Gordon's Reloading tool and for the 123 ELDM and SW Match Rifle, 27.5 grains should be a good starting point.
As always, work up slowly and with the Grendel, if you're getting any pressure signs, you're well above maximum pressure.
A chronograph is your best friend when in uncharted territory.
ETA: I initially checked the "Interactive Manual" and came up dry. Scroll down a little farther and the .pdf manual has loading data for 6.5 Grendel with several different projectiles.
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Try looking up shootersworldpowder.com/reloading data. Page 32
Has anyone used TAC, A2520, BLC2, shooters world match rifle, or big game?
I've never reloaded but may get into it soon. I've scrolled through this thread over the years but realized there's a ton of different powders used for the grendel. It's not like the CM where there's really only just a few that people stick to.
I'm trying to see what powders are more temp stable but also available. Some of these have the hardest time hitting the shelves and have not been consistently in stock for years or have taken a massive price increase.
I've never reloaded but may get into it soon. I've scrolled through this thread over the years but realized there's a ton of different powders used for the grendel. It's not like the CM where there's really only just a few that people stick to.
I'm trying to see what powders are more temp stable but also available. Some of these have the hardest time hitting the shelves and have not been consistently in stock for years or have taken a massive price increase.
When you find a powder that works well for you get an 8 lb jug and save or get the matching 1 lb jug.
Work from the 1 lb jug as relableing something else is fround upon.
Tac is a popular choice and also works for heavy 223 projectiles. I had a 1/2 moa group with 69g 223's and need to finish up testing on that.
Work from the 1 lb jug as relableing something else is fround upon.
Tac is a popular choice and also works for heavy 223 projectiles. I had a 1/2 moa group with 69g 223's and need to finish up testing on that.
100% agree on working from an 8lb jug vs multiple 1 pounders. That's how I am with my 6.5 cm and 308 ammo, I buy shit loads of loaded ammo to avoid having lots of different lot numbers lol...
I've just never loaded before and going through this thread I see so many different powder options. I'm gonna see if I find some TAC, it can pull double duty since I also have a 223.
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Is there a temp sensitivity chart? I know there is one for burn rates. I'm in south texas and I want to hunt with the grendel eventually. Temps range from 110 to 20s or 30s in the winter.
28gr 8208 XBR
123 Lapua Scenar
CCI #450
Starline Brass
2485 FPS
Could use some seating depth tuning still.
So just got a 20" Odin works barrel with bolt and Odin works ask gas block.
I have Hornady brass, 115gr Barnes black tips, 123gr eld m CCI 450 primers.
I have Varget, Tac and N540 to work with for powders.
Any suggestions.
Doc
I have Hornady brass, 115gr Barnes black tips, 123gr eld m CCI 450 primers.
I have Varget, Tac and N540 to work with for powders.
Any suggestions.
Doc
If I never had tried LeverRevolution, AA2520 would be my go to powder for 120+ grain bullets. I still use it as it's very good on both velocity and accuracy in both of my Grendel's. I push them pretty hard and 2520 is very close to LeverRevolution. 2520 is usually considered a temperature sensitive powder but I haven't ran into any wild velocity fluctuations. In the summer I usually shoot later in the day under a covered position and don't shoot too many to fast....
As mentioned above, TAC. I cannot get enough Varget in a Grendel case and N540 wouldn't be much different I suspect. The only extruded powder I use for the Grendel is XBR8208 as it is small and I can pack enough in the case. The spherical powders will pack tighter in that relatively small case (but you already know this).
As an addition to your post: Alliant AR-Comp is an extruded powder and works well on the Grendel, when you can find it.
Is there a powder you know of which is very insensitive to temp changes?
I'm only iffy because I've never reloaded. Im going to be a first time loader and want to start with whatever is less risky in drastic changes. It can be in the 90s here in South texas during the winter and a cold front can come in and the next day will be in the high 20s.
I want to load 6.5grendel for hunting so both ends of the temperature extremes are highly possible.
Good question about temperature sensitivity. I know enough to know I don't know enough. That said, I never load jagged edge and don't run into problems. However, I typically shoot calibers that appreciate some pressure for best accuracy. Loading with hunting in mind, extreme heat of summer won't be too mich of an issue IMO. a lot of knowledgeable shooters will develop their load with environment in mind. With me living in the South, it never gets so cold I have to worry about large velocity differences.
The Extreme powders play nice but I don't use any of the extruded powders (XBR8208 is my exception) in the Grendel. I use either AA2520 or LeverRevolution with 120+ grain bullets and 8208 for the lighter stuff. 8208 has always been accurate with the heavies but I cannot reach the velocities with it. Everything I'm referring to is for AR's and worth what you paid for it....
So I found a good node at 28.6-28.8gr of TAC. COAL is 2.300(fits nicely in 6.8 ASC mags, feeds better than the grendel mags actually). 3/4-1.0 at 100yds. Getting 2496fps out of a 20" barrel. This was using the 123gr ELD-M bullets.
Also found an MOA node with 115gr Barnes black tips with 29.5gr of TAC. 2.275 COAL.
Both loads are well over book max, so use caution. This was at 58 degrees at 5900' ASL.
Doc
Also found an MOA node with 115gr Barnes black tips with 29.5gr of TAC. 2.275 COAL.
Both loads are well over book max, so use caution. This was at 58 degrees at 5900' ASL.
Doc
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Am in TX Hill Country and also subject to big temp swings throughout the year. I load for a handful of Grendel’s from 18-24”, and have had excellent accuracy and temp stability with AR Comp and 120-123gr Nosler BT/CC, Hornady SST, Lapua Scenars and Sierra TGK/BTHP. All between 2500-2550, barrel and chamber dependent. Do use CFE/Lever with 129 ABLR’s, and 8208 with lighter 107/108’s but are more specialized loads, though also with good result. All said, most of my shooting is between 40-100 temps, and AR Comp just continues to deliver consistent performance. Been very pricey, and scarce, but now starting to show up in 8lbers and price dropping…slowly.
I never tried ARComp in anything. I knew it works across many calibers but have so many powders in that burn rate. I will say those velocities with 120+ listed with ARComp look nice.
Something to add about AR Comp, I’ve also had very good accuracy, consistency and low SD’s with 75/77’s in 223, 155’s in 308 and in a pinch, light 120/123’s in a 6.5CM. Not the highest velocity, but very predictable and again, consistent. In the last few years of having to manage components, ARC has served me well across multiple platforms.
I've been reloading for 43 years. Shot Prairie dogs (and worked up the ladder loads) with everything from 223 up to 6.5 x 284 for that 1300 yard shot. I've shot in NRA highpower Over the Course (200, 300, 600 ) and Palma (800, 900, 1000). I don't claim to "know it all" but I am telling you this so you now I am not a total idiot.
I've loaded 223, 243, 25-06, 308, 6.5x 284 and of course 38/357, 41M, 44/44M, 45ACP,
with that said. I have NEVER ever had this much trouble trying to get a rifle to group as I have with the 6.5 Grendel. !!!
I Have done 3 different uppers, 1 a sow's ear which was a Bear Creek Arsenal, 2, a PSA 18 inch, and 3, a custom built with a Krieger barrel (I have TWO target rifles that have Krieger barrels and I swear I can thread the eye of a needle with them)
Due to COVID (scam) and MOVING, my ability to find and out door range that is suitable has been spotty. But thus far, these are the loads.
The BEST load ALWAYS comes back to 27.8 and and 27.2 grains of Varget using the 123 Hornady bullets (both sst and eld) at 13/16 inch but they are SLOW as you can't get enough varget in the case to go faster.
the numbers in front of the load (1 through 8) are which was best GROUP. GRoups ranged from 13/16 (consistant with the varget load) up to 8 inches with the CFE powder in the compressed load.
6.5 Grendel Load work up
120 Gr ELD Hornady
8208 XBR Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Br trimmed to 1.515 COA is 2.235 except for GOLT DOT 120’s 2.215
6th 27.4 Grains 2500 FPS APPROX. (book NOT chronographed)
5th 26.9 Grains 2450 “
3rd 26.3 Grains 2400 “
Varget, same bullet as above, same primers, same brass
4th 28.0 Grains 2450 FPS APPROX (book……..
2nd 27.4 Grians 2400 “
1st 26.4 Grains 2350 “ 1.25 INCH best of these 8 loads
BLC-2, same bullet as above, same primers, same brass
8th 31.7 Grains 2570 (FPS APPROX.(book………….) COMPRESSED LOAD, too much BS to load powder comes out on index
7th 31.5 Grains 2540 “ “ “ “
123 Gr SST Hornady
AR COMP Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515
1st 28.0 grains 2580 FPS APPROX . (book NOT chronographed) BEST of these 5 loads about 1.5 inch
27.8, 27.6,
2nd 27.4,
27.2
123 Gr Sierra HPBT & 120 Hornady Match
Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515
1st 27.8 Grains Varget 123 Gr Sierra HPBT A nickel covers center to center 5 shot group 13/16 inch BEST
2nd 27.2 Grains Varget 123 Gr Sierra HPBT
27.8 Grains Varget 120 Hornaday Match
30.2 Grains BLC-2 120 Hornady Match. Too much BS. COMPRESSED LOAD
30.2 Grains BLC-2 123 Sierra HPBT
**************************************************************************************************123 Sierra HPBT, 120 Speer Gold Dot, & 100 Gr Hornady ELD Match
Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515
1st 27.8 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
2nd 27.2 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
27.8 Grains Varget 120 Speer Gold Dot 2 inch groups ho hum discouraged on the gold dots they are “LE” bullets
27.2 Grains Varget 120 Speer Gold Dot
31.5 Grains BLC-2 123 Sierra HPBT
31.5 Grains BLC-2 120 Speer Gold Dots samo samo 2 inch plus groups
31.0 Grains 8208 XBR 100 Hornady ELD Match
30.0 Grains Varget 100 Hornady ELD Match
123 Gr Sierra HPBT & 120 Hornady Match
Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515 COA on Sierra’s is 2.200 and on Hornadys 2.200 all in these groups below
1st 27.8 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
27.2 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
2nd 27.8 Varget 120 Hornady Match
30.0 BLC-2 120 Hornady match
30.0 BLC-2 123 Sierra match
THIRTY LOADS to this point!!
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Nov 7, 2019 groups .
120 Gr Hornady ELD & 120 GOLD dot
Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515 COA on Sierra’s is 2.200 and on Hornadys 2.200 all in these groups below
32.0 Grains of CFE for both 120 Hornady’s and 120 Gold dot’s
31.0 Grains of CFE “
30.0 Grains of CFE “
The 30.0 load was “best” if you can call 4 MOA “best. 31 was WORSE, and 32.0 was HORRIBLE.
Had two of the weeks previous loads which have been consistent around 1 inch or less, they are
1st 27.8 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
27.2 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
With NEW Krieger Barrell and tom’s highpower scope.
27.5 GR H4895 120 Gold dot’s Tom’s Loads 3 rounds good, then rounds 4 and 5 open group up to 1.5 inch
29.0 GR Alliant PP Varmint 120 Gold Dot’s Toms loads. As above, 3 rounds good then open up.
JUNE 1, 2023 These loads below are for SPEEDS only as the range had a VISOR over it to keep people (morons) from shooting into the air and over the backstop. By the time I got the chrono set up in FRONT of the "visor" I had a triangle of about 4 inches to shoot through and line up with a target 100 yards away. So I shot for speed only. I won't be going back to that range and it was such a hassle factor with shooting into the east at 9-11 AM the glint would screw with the chrono. I actually went out and bought a LabRadar unit. It WORKS indoors even and NO sky screens to LINE UP!!
TESTS with Oehler 35P chronograph at B-Tactical in Caddo Mills.
108 Grain Lupua 27.1 grains IMR 4064 EACH round (powder charge) was weighed kept with 1/10 grain.
H 2398, L 2391 A 2394 sprd 7 SD 5
27.8 grains IMR 4064
H 2453 L 2453 A 2453 spred 0 SD 0
110 Lehigh Solid Copper Match 04264110SP 27.1 Grains IMR 4064
H 2371 L 2346 A2360 Sprd 25 SD 10
123 ELD Hornady Match FACTORY LOAD
2505 Had error readings. Lots of “glint” Was shooting into the sun (facing East at 9 to 11 AM)
123 ELD Hornady Projectiles 27.1 grains IMR 4064
H 2365 L 2329 A 2345 spred 36 SD 13
120 SPEER GOLD Dot 27.1 grains 4064
H2311 L 2254 A 2290 spred 57 SD 26
AUGUST 2023
LabRadar SHOOTERS WORLD Tactical Rifle powder. Max for 123 Sierra HPBT 28.6 gr. Max for 100 Hornady Amax 30.5 gr.
Assume and carefully start at the LOW end Max load for 108 Lapua OTP Scenar (half way…? Max of 29.5 gr.
NEW Starline Brass (1 NWB 2) CCI BR# 4 Primers. Shooters world Tactical Rifle Powder 20 IN Barreled PSA
All these below to Line are Lab Radar unit (today 8/21/2023)
Max 29.5 H 2636 Low 2609 AVG 2620 Ext Sprd 27 SD 11.5
Max 29.3 H 2630 Low 1937 ?? AVG 2530 Ext Sprd 693 ? SD 302 OUT
Max 29.1 H 2608 Low 2591 AVG 2599 Ext Sprd 18 SD 7.3 <BEST
Max 28.9 H 2600 Low 1862 AVG 2272 Ext Sprd 748 ? SD 334 OUT
Max 28.7 H 2597 Low 2567 AVG 2582 Ext Sprd 29 SD 12.7
Max 28.5 H 2573 Low 2528 AVG 2559 Ext Sprd 45 SD 18.1
Max 28.3 H 2579 Low 2540 AVG 2555 Ext Sprd 39 SD 18.2
Max 28.1 H 2518 Low 2498 AVG 2518 Ext Sprd 32 SD 15.2
Max 27.9 H 2539 Low 2520 AVG 2529 Ext Sprd 54 SD 24.2
All BELOW this line were with Oehler 35P chronograph
Lupua 108 grain scenar OTP IRM 4064
27.1 H 2398 Low 2391 AVG 2394 Ext Sprd 7 SD 5
27.8 H 2453 Low 2453 AVG 2453 ext Sprd 0 SD 0 (1 round)
Hornady 123 eld bullet IMR 4064
Max 27.1 H 2365 Low 2329 AVG 2345 Ext Sprd 36 SD 13
LEHIGH match 110 grain IRM 4064
Max 27.1 H 2371 Low 2346 AVG 2360 Ext Sprd 25 SD 10
SPEER GOLD DOT 120 grain IRM 4064
Max 27.1 H 2311 Low 2254 AVG 2290 Ext Sprd 57 SD 26
I've loaded 223, 243, 25-06, 308, 6.5x 284 and of course 38/357, 41M, 44/44M, 45ACP,
with that said. I have NEVER ever had this much trouble trying to get a rifle to group as I have with the 6.5 Grendel. !!!
I Have done 3 different uppers, 1 a sow's ear which was a Bear Creek Arsenal, 2, a PSA 18 inch, and 3, a custom built with a Krieger barrel (I have TWO target rifles that have Krieger barrels and I swear I can thread the eye of a needle with them)
Due to COVID (scam) and MOVING, my ability to find and out door range that is suitable has been spotty. But thus far, these are the loads.
The BEST load ALWAYS comes back to 27.8 and and 27.2 grains of Varget using the 123 Hornady bullets (both sst and eld) at 13/16 inch but they are SLOW as you can't get enough varget in the case to go faster.
the numbers in front of the load (1 through 8) are which was best GROUP. GRoups ranged from 13/16 (consistant with the varget load) up to 8 inches with the CFE powder in the compressed load.
6.5 Grendel Load work up
120 Gr ELD Hornady
8208 XBR Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Br trimmed to 1.515 COA is 2.235 except for GOLT DOT 120’s 2.215
6th 27.4 Grains 2500 FPS APPROX. (book NOT chronographed)
5th 26.9 Grains 2450 “
3rd 26.3 Grains 2400 “
Varget, same bullet as above, same primers, same brass
4th 28.0 Grains 2450 FPS APPROX (book……..
2nd 27.4 Grians 2400 “
1st 26.4 Grains 2350 “ 1.25 INCH best of these 8 loads
BLC-2, same bullet as above, same primers, same brass
8th 31.7 Grains 2570 (FPS APPROX.(book………….) COMPRESSED LOAD, too much BS to load powder comes out on index
7th 31.5 Grains 2540 “ “ “ “
123 Gr SST Hornady
AR COMP Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515
1st 28.0 grains 2580 FPS APPROX . (book NOT chronographed) BEST of these 5 loads about 1.5 inch
27.8, 27.6,
2nd 27.4,
27.2
123 Gr Sierra HPBT & 120 Hornady Match
Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515
1st 27.8 Grains Varget 123 Gr Sierra HPBT A nickel covers center to center 5 shot group 13/16 inch BEST
2nd 27.2 Grains Varget 123 Gr Sierra HPBT
27.8 Grains Varget 120 Hornaday Match
30.2 Grains BLC-2 120 Hornady Match. Too much BS. COMPRESSED LOAD
30.2 Grains BLC-2 123 Sierra HPBT
**************************************************************************************************123 Sierra HPBT, 120 Speer Gold Dot, & 100 Gr Hornady ELD Match
Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515
1st 27.8 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
2nd 27.2 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
27.8 Grains Varget 120 Speer Gold Dot 2 inch groups ho hum discouraged on the gold dots they are “LE” bullets
27.2 Grains Varget 120 Speer Gold Dot
31.5 Grains BLC-2 123 Sierra HPBT
31.5 Grains BLC-2 120 Speer Gold Dots samo samo 2 inch plus groups
31.0 Grains 8208 XBR 100 Hornady ELD Match
30.0 Grains Varget 100 Hornady ELD Match
123 Gr Sierra HPBT & 120 Hornady Match
Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515 COA on Sierra’s is 2.200 and on Hornadys 2.200 all in these groups below
1st 27.8 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
27.2 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
2nd 27.8 Varget 120 Hornady Match
30.0 BLC-2 120 Hornady match
30.0 BLC-2 123 Sierra match
THIRTY LOADS to this point!!
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Nov 7, 2019 groups .
120 Gr Hornady ELD & 120 GOLD dot
Small Winchester Primer New Hornady Brass trimmed to 1.515 COA on Sierra’s is 2.200 and on Hornadys 2.200 all in these groups below
32.0 Grains of CFE for both 120 Hornady’s and 120 Gold dot’s
31.0 Grains of CFE “
30.0 Grains of CFE “
The 30.0 load was “best” if you can call 4 MOA “best. 31 was WORSE, and 32.0 was HORRIBLE.
Had two of the weeks previous loads which have been consistent around 1 inch or less, they are
1st 27.8 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
27.2 Grains Varget 123 Sierra HPBT
With NEW Krieger Barrell and tom’s highpower scope.
27.5 GR H4895 120 Gold dot’s Tom’s Loads 3 rounds good, then rounds 4 and 5 open group up to 1.5 inch
29.0 GR Alliant PP Varmint 120 Gold Dot’s Toms loads. As above, 3 rounds good then open up.
JUNE 1, 2023 These loads below are for SPEEDS only as the range had a VISOR over it to keep people (morons) from shooting into the air and over the backstop. By the time I got the chrono set up in FRONT of the "visor" I had a triangle of about 4 inches to shoot through and line up with a target 100 yards away. So I shot for speed only. I won't be going back to that range and it was such a hassle factor with shooting into the east at 9-11 AM the glint would screw with the chrono. I actually went out and bought a LabRadar unit. It WORKS indoors even and NO sky screens to LINE UP!!
TESTS with Oehler 35P chronograph at B-Tactical in Caddo Mills.
108 Grain Lupua 27.1 grains IMR 4064 EACH round (powder charge) was weighed kept with 1/10 grain.
H 2398, L 2391 A 2394 sprd 7 SD 5
27.8 grains IMR 4064
H 2453 L 2453 A 2453 spred 0 SD 0
110 Lehigh Solid Copper Match 04264110SP 27.1 Grains IMR 4064
H 2371 L 2346 A2360 Sprd 25 SD 10
123 ELD Hornady Match FACTORY LOAD
2505 Had error readings. Lots of “glint” Was shooting into the sun (facing East at 9 to 11 AM)
123 ELD Hornady Projectiles 27.1 grains IMR 4064
H 2365 L 2329 A 2345 spred 36 SD 13
120 SPEER GOLD Dot 27.1 grains 4064
H2311 L 2254 A 2290 spred 57 SD 26
AUGUST 2023
LabRadar SHOOTERS WORLD Tactical Rifle powder. Max for 123 Sierra HPBT 28.6 gr. Max for 100 Hornady Amax 30.5 gr.
Assume and carefully start at the LOW end Max load for 108 Lapua OTP Scenar (half way…? Max of 29.5 gr.
NEW Starline Brass (1 NWB 2) CCI BR# 4 Primers. Shooters world Tactical Rifle Powder 20 IN Barreled PSA
All these below to Line are Lab Radar unit (today 8/21/2023)
Max 29.5 H 2636 Low 2609 AVG 2620 Ext Sprd 27 SD 11.5
Max 29.3 H 2630 Low 1937 ?? AVG 2530 Ext Sprd 693 ? SD 302 OUT
Max 29.1 H 2608 Low 2591 AVG 2599 Ext Sprd 18 SD 7.3 <BEST
Max 28.9 H 2600 Low 1862 AVG 2272 Ext Sprd 748 ? SD 334 OUT
Max 28.7 H 2597 Low 2567 AVG 2582 Ext Sprd 29 SD 12.7
Max 28.5 H 2573 Low 2528 AVG 2559 Ext Sprd 45 SD 18.1
Max 28.3 H 2579 Low 2540 AVG 2555 Ext Sprd 39 SD 18.2
Max 28.1 H 2518 Low 2498 AVG 2518 Ext Sprd 32 SD 15.2
Max 27.9 H 2539 Low 2520 AVG 2529 Ext Sprd 54 SD 24.2
All BELOW this line were with Oehler 35P chronograph
Lupua 108 grain scenar OTP IRM 4064
27.1 H 2398 Low 2391 AVG 2394 Ext Sprd 7 SD 5
27.8 H 2453 Low 2453 AVG 2453 ext Sprd 0 SD 0 (1 round)
Hornady 123 eld bullet IMR 4064
Max 27.1 H 2365 Low 2329 AVG 2345 Ext Sprd 36 SD 13
LEHIGH match 110 grain IRM 4064
Max 27.1 H 2371 Low 2346 AVG 2360 Ext Sprd 25 SD 10
SPEER GOLD DOT 120 grain IRM 4064
Max 27.1 H 2311 Low 2254 AVG 2290 Ext Sprd 57 SD 26
I have used CFE223 in 223, 308 and 6.5 grendel.
Some things I have came to conclusions on fwiw.
You can get 3/4 moa in 223 with medium to light bullets not heavier.
You can rough out a 1- 1 1/8 moa load for your 308 in case you run out of varget.
You can send a 123 hornady out the tube of your 6.5g at about 1 1/2 moa.
One thing I have chiseled in my loading bench is to never compress CFE223 ever.
You will get a compleat scatter mode and are very close to popping / flowing primers.
I'm going to try Tac in the grendel and look for better bullets than the hornady which is probably half you problem.
Thanks for your reply.
I think I am going to try and fine tune this
NEW Starline Brass (1 NWB 2) CCI BR# 4 Primers. Shooters world Tactical Rifle Powder 20 IN Barreled PSA
All these below to Line are Lab Radar unit (today 8/21/2023)
Max 29.5 H 2636 Low 2609 AVG 2620 Ext Sprd 27 SD 11.5
Max 29.1 H 2608 Low 2591 AVG 2599 Ext Sprd 18 SD 7.3 <BEST
I'll be adjusting lengths and maybe try my small rifle winchester primers. Adjust the load up and down a little and using the Lapua 108 grain Scenar bullets.
223 loads I have nailed with the 77 gr Sierra Match kings, LC Brass, standard small winchester primers and 24.5 grains of Varget. That is a tack driver load in all of my 223 rifles with both 1 in 7 Krieger barrel and 1 in 8 supposed to be barrel made by Wilson Gage which I bought from DPMS back in the day.
As for 308, 45.0 Grains of Varget, 175 Grain Sierra Match King, Std Large Winchester Primers, LC Brass. Good for 1000 yards.
I liked Varget so much that I was using it in 243 also for prairie dogs.
I think I am going to try and fine tune this
NEW Starline Brass (1 NWB 2) CCI BR# 4 Primers. Shooters world Tactical Rifle Powder 20 IN Barreled PSA
All these below to Line are Lab Radar unit (today 8/21/2023)
Max 29.5 H 2636 Low 2609 AVG 2620 Ext Sprd 27 SD 11.5
Max 29.1 H 2608 Low 2591 AVG 2599 Ext Sprd 18 SD 7.3 <BEST
I'll be adjusting lengths and maybe try my small rifle winchester primers. Adjust the load up and down a little and using the Lapua 108 grain Scenar bullets.
223 loads I have nailed with the 77 gr Sierra Match kings, LC Brass, standard small winchester primers and 24.5 grains of Varget. That is a tack driver load in all of my 223 rifles with both 1 in 7 Krieger barrel and 1 in 8 supposed to be barrel made by Wilson Gage which I bought from DPMS back in the day.
As for 308, 45.0 Grains of Varget, 175 Grain Sierra Match King, Std Large Winchester Primers, LC Brass. Good for 1000 yards.
I liked Varget so much that I was using it in 243 also for prairie dogs.
I have best accuracy in my 20”&16” ballistic advantage barrels with 27-28 grains of ARComp and Hornady 123 eldm and sst bullets seated to fit mags. 3/4”-1” at 200 yards. 28-30 grains of imr 8208 and 110 grain copper chaos again 3/4”-1” at 200. I hope this helps.
The BEST is with the VARGET load with the Sierra Bullets at 13/16 inch. Other wise, all the other loads are between 1-1/2 to 2 inches. The Hornadys are all 1-1/2 plus. I gave up on them. I am now playing with the Lupua's in 108 grain.
I was going to use the Lehighs solid copper 110 grainers but they went up to a BUCK a slug. When I started they were 49 cents in 2020. that's about when I started this "project".
My REASON for going to a 6.5 Grendel is because I have a heart condition and am on blood thinners. The cardioligist was worried I'd get a blood clot as when I'd fire my M1A's my whole chest would turn black and blue. So I figured....on the cheap...that if I went halfway between .223 and 308 I'd be good.
I don't have much faith in the 223 as a combat rifle because of my time in Vietnam. I've shot many of enemy soldiers only to have them shoot back at me with their 30 caliber AK's.
BTW. that 123 bullet in 6.5 G at 2350 FPS is about the same as the 7.62 x 39 AK round in terms of "knock down", but the accuracy isn't really there on the AK based rifle. Reliable as hell, but not real accurate after 2-300 yards. thats my take on it.
I was going to use the Lehighs solid copper 110 grainers but they went up to a BUCK a slug. When I started they were 49 cents in 2020. that's about when I started this "project".
My REASON for going to a 6.5 Grendel is because I have a heart condition and am on blood thinners. The cardioligist was worried I'd get a blood clot as when I'd fire my M1A's my whole chest would turn black and blue. So I figured....on the cheap...that if I went halfway between .223 and 308 I'd be good.
I don't have much faith in the 223 as a combat rifle because of my time in Vietnam. I've shot many of enemy soldiers only to have them shoot back at me with their 30 caliber AK's.
BTW. that 123 bullet in 6.5 G at 2350 FPS is about the same as the 7.62 x 39 AK round in terms of "knock down", but the accuracy isn't really there on the AK based rifle. Reliable as hell, but not real accurate after 2-300 yards. thats my take on it.
There are several bullets I want for the 6.5g but hard to get and ended up with a few 100 sst.
If you weigh and measure them you will easily see that they suck.
Their qc is a damn joke. Sad
In theory the 123 sst is the perfect 6.5 bullet, wish it was.
Someone at Sierra or another quality manufacturing facility that takes pride in their work needs to step up and fill the void but seems the "God Damn Mic" is a high dollar endevor feeding cannon fodder to the f-ing ruskeys and we suffer paying for it and are short of supplies due to the cock sucker in charge getting graft from the cock holster regime we installed.
Fuck them all.
If you weigh and measure them you will easily see that they suck.
Their qc is a damn joke. Sad
In theory the 123 sst is the perfect 6.5 bullet, wish it was.
Someone at Sierra or another quality manufacturing facility that takes pride in their work needs to step up and fill the void but seems the "God Damn Mic" is a high dollar endevor feeding cannon fodder to the f-ing ruskeys and we suffer paying for it and are short of supplies due to the cock sucker in charge getting graft from the cock holster regime we installed.
Fuck them all.
the Sierra's I had were back in 2020. I haven't had any of them since then. The Lapua 108 Scenar seem to be okay. my biggest supply problem has been POWDER and next up is primers. Man, I remember paying 125$ for a sleeve of 5K of any of the winchesters. I was lucky I built up inventory on primers right before everything went to he11.
and your comments above....I am with you 100% brother. Ought to ship all of those weirdo's, trannys, libtards and whatever else they call themselves to somewhere like Iran or No Korea. Hey, they love "diversity"
and your comments above....I am with you 100% brother. Ought to ship all of those weirdo's, trannys, libtards and whatever else they call themselves to somewhere like Iran or No Korea. Hey, they love "diversity"
Been shooting a ton of both 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel. Had narrowed down some Reloder 15 charge weights with some 120 match burners that I wanted to try for a “cheaper” target load. Rifle is a Ruger American Predator that has been put into a Trybe Chassis. Everything else remains as it came from the factory. Seems that this rifle will shoot 105 blitzkings and any 120gr bullet I feed it fairly decent. Have noticed with a few other loads that BR4’s have seemed to make a noticeable difference. Wish I woulda bought a lot more when they were a little less expensive than they are now. Front of the card is the group size and rear is load data. Ask any questions you may have.
I want to load some Grendel for hunting mule deer and pronghorn. In the past, I've loaded 100 grain TTSX but didn't get to use them. I've loaded 115 grain TAC-X and two bucks were taken with good performance from the bullets.
I don't have any 115's, but Barnes has claimed the 100 grain opens at lower velocities and it would be at a higher velocity also, so it seems like it would be the better option. I have enough TTSX 100's to develop a load, but then I'll need more.
I also have some new (Wilson-factory) 110 Controlled Chaos. I haven't loaded any of these yet, but I've got enough to develop a load and have ammo for a few years.
The other things I have already are Barnes 127 grain LRX. I have these for Creedmoor and PRC, but what if I used them in Grendel? I saw a little reported on them at 65grendel.com, but not much. I don't need them to function in an AR. I use a bolt gun. Powder space is limited though and the long bullet would take up some more.
I think I'm better off with the 110 CC or getting some 100 TTSX.
In the past, I used H335. I still have that, but I'm getting Benchmark and StaBall Match for 5.56 and I think either of those could be good for Grendel.
I don't have any 115's, but Barnes has claimed the 100 grain opens at lower velocities and it would be at a higher velocity also, so it seems like it would be the better option. I have enough TTSX 100's to develop a load, but then I'll need more.
I also have some new (Wilson-factory) 110 Controlled Chaos. I haven't loaded any of these yet, but I've got enough to develop a load and have ammo for a few years.
The other things I have already are Barnes 127 grain LRX. I have these for Creedmoor and PRC, but what if I used them in Grendel? I saw a little reported on them at 65grendel.com, but not much. I don't need them to function in an AR. I use a bolt gun. Powder space is limited though and the long bullet would take up some more.
I think I'm better off with the 110 CC or getting some 100 TTSX.
In the past, I used H335. I still have that, but I'm getting Benchmark and StaBall Match for 5.56 and I think either of those could be good for Grendel.
My impression from my first loading of ginex primers in my .223 is that they are much harder than CCI400, maybe not as hard as CCI450. I will use them in my 6.5 Grendel when I make my next batch. Don’t try to push to creedmoor velocities and it you should be GTG.
let me know when you have tested in the Grendel. Also, are you able to measure the cup thickness of the fired primers from your 223?
Anyone have any idea what happened to the 6.5 Grendel forum? Last week or so it has changed drastically for me. Nothing like it used to be, can't read or post. Is it my computer or something else?
Some jerks stole all their brass to use on some other crap that nobody supports.
