A little AR advice RRA or LMT

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

I claimed nowhere to be an expert. I referred to those that know far more than myself...and much, much more than you. And I certainly can tell by the way you conduct yourself that there is no helping you, though I do invite you to provide me evidence to suggest anything I've said that is false.

 

[adrenaline junkie]

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In all fairness, many of rock rivers customers don't need, require, or even want many of the things you have listed.

RRA has two choices for chamber. Wylde, and 5.56NATO. Most of their guns that are more for hunting etc, are wylde. The rest NATO. My varmint is a wylde, and I'm just fine with it. I can shoot any 223/5.55 ammo out there.

Just checked both of my guns, (LAR-15 Varmint and LAR-8 Predator) and the gas keys are both staked. They're not deformed to idiotic levels like some pics I've seen but the metal is against the screws.

Non staked receiver is a non issue for me

They offer many chrome lined barrels but for non f/a and other excessive use its not necessary. On top of that, many of their guns are made for hunting and accuracy and for that I prefer non chrome lined barrels.

Many of the other points guys in that thread pointed out pros and cons, but the bottom line is that every Ar out there doesn't need to be exacting to mil spec, and often those specs aren't good for the intended use.

Black rifles are becoming more and more popular as huntimg and target rifles and some deviations are a good thing some times. My Winchester model 70 is a MUCH better hunting gun than my uncles mil spec original M1 Garand. I do agree though that some of the other issues might or might not make it a better gun. I don't know all the reasons for their use.

 

[adrenaline junkie]

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As far as the original poster here, restocking fee is going to be 200.00. Making that LMT almost 800 more expensive. Can't think its worth it imho.

 

[The_Duke]

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Just curious, what would be the optimal ar choice for 900-950?

 

[tylerw02]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Duke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious, what would be the optimal ar choice for 900-950? </div></div>

With $950 to spend, you could easily get a BCM upper/BCG/GF CH/rec ext kit, and buy a Stag or whoever's lower and a DD parts kit.

 

[The_Duke]

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I shouldve said for a DMRsh type ar..using dmr somewhat loosely of course

 

[tylerw02]

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Depends on how accurate you want it be honestly. Just scoping about anything will get you acceptable accuracy. My least accurate AR shoots MOA.

A guy can pick up one of the SS barreled BCMs for a reasonable price with one of the cheaper FF-tubes to help accuracy. It may be a little harder to come in at budget, but should be fairly close.

 

[tpr564]

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I wouldn't pay a 20% restocking fee. Just resell it new for what you paid, it shouldn't take long if you post locally. Then for less than your RR, I'd buy a Spikes Tactical from AimSurplus. It's the least expensive mil-spec AR and the build quality is fantastic (if you don't mind their laser engraving ADD).

 

[The_Duke]

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I would think no more than 3/4 moa, closer to half

 

[Dantrom]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: adrenaline junkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as the original poster here, restocking fee is going to be 200.00. Making that LMT almost 800 more expensive. Can't think its worth it imho. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tpr564</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't pay a 20% restocking fee. Just resell it new for what you paid, it shouldn't take long if you post locally. Then for less than your RR, I'd buy a Spikes Tactical from AimSurplus. It's the least expensive mil-spec AR and the build quality is fantastic (if you don't mind their laser engraving ADD).</div></div>

Thanks guys, I believe this is the direction I'm going to go.

LMT might be so-so but from the things I have seen out of them through people's posts and videos (no hands on experience).... I'm impressed!

 

[The_Duke]

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The more I read about this the more I think I made a good choice in RRA..

 

[338RUM runner]

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+1 on the RRA, all 9 of mine and family are just great and we enjoy shooting them. They are Predators or Varmints from 16" to 24". Shoot great and work well. If i have a gas key work lose i'll just fix it and not sell them all. I'm out of here, see ya at the Range.

 

[Soapxx21]

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LMT is good to go, but depending what your doing with it RRA may be just as suitable, it's like paying for a Ferrari to go 200mph, when you never drive over 50mph...again depending on what you intend to use it for.

 

[samnev]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mackdrvr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMT would be my pick. </div></div>

Mine as well. I have the rifle you are thinking of buying and it is great.

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to M4carbine for good AR15 info. Lots of armorers there. Drop the RRA name and ask for their experiences. The Hide isn't really the place you'll find extensive AR knowledge. </div></div>


That was internet sarcasm....right?

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ridgeback80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

RRA products are very low end. LMT is fairly good.

sir please , pull your head out of your ass! so let me get this straight rra are low end , lmt is just fairly good? i think maybe since "the sniper'shide isn't a good place for ar info " maybe you should take you opinions back to m4carbine.net ! just saying!!!
now back to rra i currently own 2 and have run both flawlessly! they are i little bit heavy but for my set up that's OK .
to the op dont be afraid of the rr there are solid rifles at a good price and they resale well! my.02 </div></div>



Ruger Mini 14's are solid rifles that resale well.....

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mateofeo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own 2 RRA guns, an 18" DMR-ish and a 10.5" SBR; both 5.56. I cannot say anything bad about either of these guns. No failures, upsets, inconsistencies. Nada. But I'm also only a weekend shooter (~1500 rds/year/gun).

Am I:
Shooting full auto: No
Active LEO/military: No
Varmint shooting: Yes
Shooting handloads: Yes
MOA/sub MOA capable: Yes

These RRA rifles are great for my application. I saw the "chart" on M4carbine.net and the fanboys ranting and raving about Daniel Defense, Colt, and BCM guns and how shitty RRA is. Are they wrong about the quality of those DD/BCM/Colt guns? No way. They're great firearms. But I'm also not what they consider an "operator" that needs something to fit within their confines of the "chart".

I got a great deal on my RRA rifles and for the type of shooter that I am, I couldn't be happier. </div></div>

That is exactly why we have choices here in the U.S.of A. All I mean to do is educate and pass on the knowledge and wisdom I have picked up. I will admit RR makes a great weapon, I would take one over an AK, and definately over a Ruger Mini-14. But to say they are in the same league as BCM/DD/Colt/LMT is less than inaccurate.

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: adrenaline junkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> My Winchester model 70 is a MUCH better hunting gun than my uncles mil spec original M1 Garand. I do agree though that some of the other issues might or might not make it a better gun. I don't know all the reasons for their use.
</div></div>

Because of weight? Because of a high cap mag? I've owned a Winchester(notice past tense), and I would take the Garand over the model 70. I'm sure some Winchesters are nice, especially the pre-64's, but the one I had shot 8" groups at 100 yards with a scope....yeah it was a Simmons, but still, 8"??? I'd take the Garand over that piecer any day!

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Duke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious, what would be the optimal ar choice for 900-950? </div></div>

With $950 to spend, you could easily get a BCM upper/BCG/GF CH/rec ext kit, and buy a Stag or whoever's lower and a DD parts kit. </div></div>

+1, or if you don't want to build, buy a Spike's for $850 and use the rest on mags/ammo.....

You can always throw in a BCM BCG later after half a dozen 1,000 rds or so....

 

[DocBach]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kimberseries1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

+1, or if you don't want to build, buy a Spike's for $850 and use the rest on mags/ammo.....

You can always throw in a BCM BCG later after half a dozen 1,000 rds or so.... </div></div>

If you go the Spike's route, get it from AIM Surplus or Joeboboutfitters. Ordering it straight from Spike's is an exercise of extreme patience. It took five months for them to get my wife's upper finished last year.

 

[mateofeo85]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kimberseries1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mateofeo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own 2 RRA guns, an 18" DMR-ish and a 10.5" SBR; both 5.56. I cannot say anything bad about either of these guns. No failures, upsets, inconsistencies. Nada. But I'm also only a weekend shooter (~1500 rds/year/gun).

Am I:
Shooting full auto: No
Active LEO/military: No
Varmint shooting: Yes
Shooting handloads: Yes
MOA/sub MOA capable: Yes

These RRA rifles are great for my application. I saw the "chart" on M4carbine.net and the fanboys ranting and raving about Daniel Defense, Colt, and BCM guns and how shitty RRA is. Are they wrong about the quality of those DD/BCM/Colt guns? No way. They're great firearms. But I'm also not what they consider an "operator" that needs something to fit within their confines of the "chart".

I got a great deal on my RRA rifles and for the type of shooter that I am, I couldn't be happier. </div></div>

That is exactly why we have choices here in the U.S.of A. All I mean to do is educate and pass on the knowledge and wisdom I have picked up. I will admit RR makes a great weapon, I would take one over an AK, and definately over a Ruger Mini-14. But to say they are in the same league as BCM/DD/Colt/LMT is less than inaccurate. </div></div>

Totally agree; like I said, apples to oranges. Ask yourself the same question I did when I was going to buy: what is this going to be used for? My answer justified my decision.

But if you're looking for the higher quality stuff for a good price, tylerw02 (below) makes a great suggestion.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Duke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious, what would be the optimal ar choice for 900-950? </div></div>

With $950 to spend, you could easily get a BCM upper/BCG/GF CH/rec ext kit, and buy a Stag or whoever's lower and a DD parts kit. </div></div>

 

[targaflorio]

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Rock River is back making 1911s. I saw their new model at SHOT. Pretty sweet

 

[Dynamic Response]

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If its between the LMT or RRA. Get the LMT

However, RRA makes a great rifle. I have one and it shoots great and hasn't failed me yet. With LC 55g FMJ-BT It will shoot well under 1moa all day long. I also have a LMT MWS 308 and in my eyes its the best semi-auto 308 rifle out there Period.

You cant go wrong with either. If you have the extra money buy the LMT because it has more options and its built like a tank. But like I said the RRA is a great rifle too and after using it for 5 years now I would trust it with my life.

With the RRA you can build it the way you want it too. If you want milspec buffer tube just ask they will put it on. If you want 1:7 twist over the 1:9 just ask they will give it to you. I shoot mainly 55g and 62g so the 1:9 is the right twist rate for me.

 

[adrenaline junkie]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kimberseries1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: adrenaline junkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> My Winchester model 70 is a MUCH better hunting gun than my uncles mil spec original M1 Garand. I do agree though that some of the other issues might or might not make it a better gun. I don't know all the reasons for their use.
</div></div>

Because of weight? Because of a high cap mag? I've owned a Winchester(notice past tense), and I would take the Garand over the model 70. I'm sure some Winchesters are nice, especially the pre-64's, but the one I had shot 8" groups at 100 yards with a scope....yeah it was a Simmons, but still, 8"??? I'd take the Garand over that piecer any day! </div></div>

Mostly Because of the weight, and the inability to easily accept modern optics. I'm not knocking Garands, they're amazing rifles.

Yours must have had other problems, or your scope was screwed. Given a choice of my uncles Garand, or the others I've shot, and most of the Model 70's, or Remington 700's or Browning, or Ruger or Savage... I'll take the modern rifle deer hunting, most people will.

 

[cramey74]

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Buy the LMT and dont look back they are an excellent piece..The RRA will serve you fine but if you are like me good enough is not good enough...No mention of an LWRCI also a fine rifle...But if the LMT strikes your fancy it will not dissapoint...

 

[317millhand]

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The RR operator series are nice rifles, you will not be disappointed. You get alot of rifle for the $1000 price. I have an Elite Operator 2 on order myself. I have owned several Rock Rivers as well as colt, bushmaster, LMT, stag, Ruger, doublestar, spikes, and more. Most users, will never benefit from paying the premium prices for the more expensive guns. I have an $600 smith m&P sport model that will shoot tighter groups than most of the $1500 and up guns that I have owned.

You can get Chrome lined barrels from Rock River.
Not all Rock Rivers are heavy. The barrels on alot of their guns are huge beneath the handguards, and that accounts for the extra weight. This does balance the rifles quite well and helps with accuracy.

My vote is to keep the Rock River and use the extra cash to buy a decent optic. Alot of guys on these forums spend way too much time one the internet, researching useless info. about firearms and basing their opinions on hearsay.

I dont need a rifle that will fire reliably beneath 200 feet of seawater and handle 4000 degree temperatures. Mine needs to be able to put tiny groups in paper, and place accurate shots on coyote and deer.

 

[317millhand]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: targaflorio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rock River is back making 1911s. I saw their new model at SHOT. Pretty sweet </div></div>

Rock River has also introduced a polymer 1911. Im not to sure about that one yet!!!

 

[targaflorio]

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317: That's the one. Feels more like steel than polymer. Coming out at about $800 this spring.