Accuracy International AT-X
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Everything he has is better than anyone else's, and he rubs it in everyones face especially when it comes to AI. You know he got a couple at-x pre production models and he just laughs at those of us waiting for ours. Might just be a internet persona, but he seems like a dick.
Still a whiny bitch aren’t you? I couldn’t care less if people complain about true problems. You on the other hand just like to be an internet dick bag just to be a dick bag behind the anonymity of a keyboard.
@samb300 just playing devils advocate here, but aren’t you doing the exact same thing Jorge is? Your post about “just checking in, anyone having feeding issues and the emoji face”?
Oh boy, where do I start LOL!
Your bitterness towards AI, especially the AT-X, continous to show.
You guys seem to get moist when an "issue" arises with the AT-X, yet turn into some delicate mf'ers when people clap back.
But yeah, I need to chill out.
I have no interest in owning an Obsession/ Vision Chassis, that's why I don't care to comment on any of those threads.
But again, I need to chill out hahahahaha
People getting heated and I’m here just wanting my hinge and to spec mags. 
Man I just want my rifle...People getting heated and I’m here just wanting my hinge and to spec mags.
I love my Accuracy International ATX.
I have just about 1000 rounds through the action. (About 100 6.5 Creedmoor and right at 900 6mm GT). As far as the miss feeding issue, I have had it happen about 10 to 20 times total since I got it in February. I did have it happen at a shoot twice over this last weekend. To be fair the second one happen toward the end of a 200 round -2 day match and that action was getting dirty. I wouldn't trade my blue ATX for any other gun is worth every pen. By the way I also own other custom rifles and I am huge fan of a couple three lug bolt 60 degree Actions as well. I think sometimes we set our expectations so high when we go drop 5k to 6k on a rifle we expect it to be a perfect precision instrument then they can have the slightest issue and amplify a problem. As a professional land surveyor I deal with different precision instruments daily. I have news guys, no matter the cost, they all have flaws. None are perfect. If the ATX needs a shim added so be it. I am putting a shim in mine and I won't think twice about it. That doesn't make it a bad rifle. I am just glad it's been mentioned so the average shooter like myself knows how to address the problem. If the shim is the fix then that's less than the cost of brass I lost over the weekend. (Dam Kill Dozer stage) Spring is here let's enjoy these fine instrument of our trade.
I have just about 1000 rounds through the action. (About 100 6.5 Creedmoor and right at 900 6mm GT). As far as the miss feeding issue, I have had it happen about 10 to 20 times total since I got it in February. I did have it happen at a shoot twice over this last weekend. To be fair the second one happen toward the end of a 200 round -2 day match and that action was getting dirty. I wouldn't trade my blue ATX for any other gun is worth every pen. By the way I also own other custom rifles and I am huge fan of a couple three lug bolt 60 degree Actions as well. I think sometimes we set our expectations so high when we go drop 5k to 6k on a rifle we expect it to be a perfect precision instrument then they can have the slightest issue and amplify a problem. As a professional land surveyor I deal with different precision instruments daily. I have news guys, no matter the cost, they all have flaws. None are perfect. If the ATX needs a shim added so be it. I am putting a shim in mine and I won't think twice about it. That doesn't make it a bad rifle. I am just glad it's been mentioned so the average shooter like myself knows how to address the problem. If the shim is the fix then that's less than the cost of brass I lost over the weekend. (Dam Kill Dozer stage) Spring is here let's enjoy these fine instrument of our trade.
Choose your team:
Blue Team: “My AT-X is having issues. Here’s a video, pictures, and description narrated by Morgan Freeman. What do I do?”
Red Team: “There are no issues. I have one and so does ____, we haven’t had any issues. Fuck off peasants and go back to bowing to me for having one that works.”
Magenta Team: “I was going to buy one (even though they weren’t) but now I’m not.”
Grey Team: Doesn’t comment but lurks through wondering why people are so adamant about defending a company to the point that they dismiss legitimate concerns of customers by saying it isn’t possible.
Aquamarine Team: Same as Grey Team members but actually comments. Not with anything constructive, but rather just a meme or gif with a retarded comment that doesn’t do anything to better the thread or solve a problem. Usually made up of those shitting on the shitter.
We had 4 at our match yesterday. All from different batches. We messed with mags and there seems to be some AX mags that fit different. My AX and AW fit perfect in all 4 rifles, no feeding issues, no slop. A newer AX mag there was some play. I’d check the mags before putting shims in the rifle.
Ya. Seems to be the issue.
I have 2 ax mags on way and 3 aw.
Once they get here I’ll check them all and get with AI on any that don’t work.
This is what I am learning as well. From my understanding there has been some changes on the way they are making some of the newer AW & AX mags to prevent feeding issues. I had 2 new mags with my rifle. 1 was an AX and the other an AW. I originally tried with the AX and had lots of feeding issues. After trying the AW it ran much better but still has the occasional bolt ride over.
Mags aren’t cheap. Seems a .70cent piece of shim stock to adjust how the rear of the magazine rides is easier to some then spending another $100 on a magazine.
Yeah I’m fixing to call. Just stuck home with the kids right now as it’s first day of spring break so waiting for the wife to get home so I can get some privacy.
But just measuring the feed lips on each mag shows the AW feed lips are much tighter.
So what you're saying is ... now is a good time to ask @samb300 if they will make a Vision inlet for Badger M2008/M2013 actions?
Like hic28 mentioned, we seated one of his mags in my AT-X, and it definitely seated with less up and down movement. I didn't have time to run ammo through the mag (line was still cold when we tested his mag), since both hic28 and I were running squads for our monthly club match.
But, this does seem to be a mag issue. I sent my AX mag back to AINA last week, so hopefully when they send one back, this issue will be resolved.
ETA: And I did shoot one stage during the match (squad was running ahead of schedule, so I indulged myself), and with AW mags, it ran fine. Not as slick as my AI-AT, but that rifle is approaching 9k rds, so it's...well broken in.
But, this does seem to be a mag issue. I sent my AX mag back to AINA last week, so hopefully when they send one back, this issue will be resolved.
ETA: And I did shoot one stage during the match (squad was running ahead of schedule, so I indulged myself), and with AW mags, it ran fine. Not as slick as my AI-AT, but that rifle is approaching 9k rds, so it's...well broken in.
Tim @ AI said they’ll (0726) work but any pressure on the front of the mag will push it lower in the back potentially exacerbating feeding issues. I assume it’s the rear notch or feed lips that are the issue in these mags (6677). AI is gonna get mine replaced but Tim also said that buying extra mags (6677) should be good. With that said, can y’all make some mags that we can use extended baseplates with @Scott Seigmund ?
I'm still on team Lime-Green, waiting for AT-X production.
Is anyone using HRD Dasher mag kits with their AT-X? And if so How's the feeding been compared to standard AX/AW mags? I have a Dasher barrel and HRD kits and I'm planning on shooting Dasher and 6.5cm. With the feeding issues I'm wondering if I'm headed for a bad time with the HRD kits, anyone have an experience with them yet?
6BR out of old school Sage green AX mags with HRD spacers. I have only 100 or so rounds through the ATX in 6BR but zero issues, same as the AX before it, which had about 2400 rounds of 6BR through it.
Now to be fair, on the Hide whenever anyone has any problem with any rifle - or asks what rifle to buy - half the forum goes
“JUST BUY AN AI IDIOT LOL - PROBLEM FREE”
“WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT AN AI”
So the exceptions are set high and are constantly being reinforced by the peanut gallery.
I’m still trying to figure this out so i can spend money I’ve not yet made on a preorder. I ask Tom about once every other week lol
I'm using the HRD kit for 6 BRA and about 5% of the rounds nose dive and get wedged into the front of the mag.
Here’s my hingePeople getting heated and I’m here just wanting my hinge and to spec mags.
, I’ll swap it for an AT-XAttachments
I beat your ass yesterday harder than a drunk redneck beats his 3rd baby momma after he catches her sharing his meth with the neighbor and not inviting him.
We have only had two national PRS multi day matches since the 2019 season finale thanks to Rona.
Another team shooter and I both ran the new AT-X rifles in this weekends comp taking 2nd and 3rd.
One was a pre-production rifle and the other is from the first batch with AINA engraving.
So far, mine (pictured) only has about 600 rounds of 308 & 6.5CM through it but is running in nicely.
Had a handful of lads get in behind it, fire some rounds, there was (as usual) lots of interest.
They are a fantastic platform and absolutely a worthy investment for shooters looking at a comp ready rifle.
For anyone having any mechanical issues, I wouldn't lose faith in the company or the system as no doubt things will be sorted out ASAP.
These rifles are outstanding.
Another team shooter and I both ran the new AT-X rifles in this weekends comp taking 2nd and 3rd.
One was a pre-production rifle and the other is from the first batch with AINA engraving.
So far, mine (pictured) only has about 600 rounds of 308 & 6.5CM through it but is running in nicely.
Had a handful of lads get in behind it, fire some rounds, there was (as usual) lots of interest.
They are a fantastic platform and absolutely a worthy investment for shooters looking at a comp ready rifle.
For anyone having any mechanical issues, I wouldn't lose faith in the company or the system as no doubt things will be sorted out ASAP.
These rifles are outstanding.
I spoke to Scott for a good while yesterday. In short, it is a magazine issue. I have 2 brand new mags that I sent back to them today to replace or adjust. There’s a lot that was said…….most too much to type, but it does make sense after speaking with him. The way they’re starting to make their newer magazines addresses smaller cartridges like 6.5 & 6mm. I’ll update more when the magazines come back to me.
Yep, talked to scott yesterday also and he said he will post up details here.
I'm curious as well.
A mag is a really simple fix - users can buy the solution (in the form of AW mags) right now, and have their rifles running correctly, if I'm reading this thread right.
It's a bit confusing to me that while AT-X rifles in both the UK and elsewhere in the world are exhibiting similar (the exact same?) issues, but the problem is being blamed on different parts of the rifle (chassis vs mags).
I have no doubt with AI's reputation that they will get this corrected. If its a mag its a pretty simple fix, which is really nice for everyone involved. But the communication and how the problem is being addressed geographically is certainly confusing.
Not gonna lie. I’m too poor for one, but you made a left handed ATX I would sell a kidney.
Hopefully the information below will help alleviate the anxiety being propagated that the AT-X has fundamental flaws. For those who are just here to stir the pot, there is nothing I can do or say to fix you.
First:
The discussion about the magazine follower holding the bolt open on empty is ill informed. For a very long time the 6677 and 0726 magazines may or may not hold the bolt open on empty in the AX, AT, and AT-X rifles. This has everything to do with the magazine tolerances, spring pressure and fit of the magazine follower against the feed lips. Magazines are a stamped, folded and welded component that undergo surface treatment processes and will always have more tolerance variation than machined parts. We had a product meeting in the recent past and the magazine's ability to hold the bolt open got a lot of discussion. What was interesting is that there was no agreement or organizational "memory" of such a requirement. Some members of the meeting wanted the mag to always hold the bolt open on empty as a "military" feature, and others, including myself, want the bolt to ride the follower down on empty. The overwhelming majority of customers in the U.S. want the bolt to ride the follower down on empty. If your magazine is holding the bolt open on empty it is a simple matter of putting a 45 degree chamfer at the rear of the follower with a Dremel or a file.
Feeding Problems:
Shimming your mag catch is at best a bandage applied to something that isn't a root cause of feeding issues. If your AT-X isn't feeding reliably we need to send you a new magazine or adjust the magazine(s) that you have. The 6677 and 0726 magazines were/are designed to feed .308 WIN rounds and for many years they have worked perfectly well with the 6.5 Creedmoor rounds. A recent investigation of processes in our magazine press cell highlighted same areas for improvement in feeding reliability with both classes of ammunition. We have had some recent production lots of magazines where the width at the top of the magazine at the retention ribs is at or slightly under the minimum tolerance. This is never a problem with the 308 as that round is smaller in diameter at the body to shoulder junction than the 6.5 CM, (.454" vs .462"). When the width of the body becomes narrow toward the top it tends to squeeze the round stack at the front creating space in the round stack vertically. This can allow the rear of the stack to squat reducing engagement with the bolt. If the bolt is contacting the chamfer of the case head it will simply ride over it. This is easily corrected by slightly stretching the top of the mag but it must be done with care. The best solution is to contact AINA and we will send out a new mag or adjust your current mags. The photos below illustrate an extreme example of the stacking issue.
The magazine body has a compound taper by design. At the bottom of the mag where the base plate is welded, the width and taper is correct.
In the image below, the magazine is trending narrower at the top thus forcing the front of the rounds deeper in the stack. At the rear of the mag where the width is within tolerance the rounds slump due to the follower being held too low by the constriction at the front. This condition is easily corrected and if you have magazines with these characteristics we would like to get them back for adjustment. We can generally return ship them the same day.
Several measures are being implemented in the magazine operation to ensure mags are produced that stack both 308 WIN and 6.5 CM rounds optimally.
Do I need a shim?:
NO!
IF you are a U.S. customer, please don't contact us asking for a "shim kit". There are no shim kits and there isn't a need for them. Shimming the catch to hold the back of the magazine up higher will do nothing to change the width of the magazine at the retention rib, and you may induce new problems by changing the orientation of the magazine.
The number at AINA is 540-368-3108
M-T 8:30 am to 5:00 pm and 8:30 am to 12:00 pm Friday.
-Scott
First:
The discussion about the magazine follower holding the bolt open on empty is ill informed. For a very long time the 6677 and 0726 magazines may or may not hold the bolt open on empty in the AX, AT, and AT-X rifles. This has everything to do with the magazine tolerances, spring pressure and fit of the magazine follower against the feed lips. Magazines are a stamped, folded and welded component that undergo surface treatment processes and will always have more tolerance variation than machined parts. We had a product meeting in the recent past and the magazine's ability to hold the bolt open got a lot of discussion. What was interesting is that there was no agreement or organizational "memory" of such a requirement. Some members of the meeting wanted the mag to always hold the bolt open on empty as a "military" feature, and others, including myself, want the bolt to ride the follower down on empty. The overwhelming majority of customers in the U.S. want the bolt to ride the follower down on empty. If your magazine is holding the bolt open on empty it is a simple matter of putting a 45 degree chamfer at the rear of the follower with a Dremel or a file.
Feeding Problems:
Shimming your mag catch is at best a bandage applied to something that isn't a root cause of feeding issues. If your AT-X isn't feeding reliably we need to send you a new magazine or adjust the magazine(s) that you have. The 6677 and 0726 magazines were/are designed to feed .308 WIN rounds and for many years they have worked perfectly well with the 6.5 Creedmoor rounds. A recent investigation of processes in our magazine press cell highlighted same areas for improvement in feeding reliability with both classes of ammunition. We have had some recent production lots of magazines where the width at the top of the magazine at the retention ribs is at or slightly under the minimum tolerance. This is never a problem with the 308 as that round is smaller in diameter at the body to shoulder junction than the 6.5 CM, (.454" vs .462"). When the width of the body becomes narrow toward the top it tends to squeeze the round stack at the front creating space in the round stack vertically. This can allow the rear of the stack to squat reducing engagement with the bolt. If the bolt is contacting the chamfer of the case head it will simply ride over it. This is easily corrected by slightly stretching the top of the mag but it must be done with care. The best solution is to contact AINA and we will send out a new mag or adjust your current mags. The photos below illustrate an extreme example of the stacking issue.
The magazine body has a compound taper by design. At the bottom of the mag where the base plate is welded, the width and taper is correct.
In the image below, the magazine is trending narrower at the top thus forcing the front of the rounds deeper in the stack. At the rear of the mag where the width is within tolerance the rounds slump due to the follower being held too low by the constriction at the front. This condition is easily corrected and if you have magazines with these characteristics we would like to get them back for adjustment. We can generally return ship them the same day.
Several measures are being implemented in the magazine operation to ensure mags are produced that stack both 308 WIN and 6.5 CM rounds optimally.
Do I need a shim?:
NO!
IF you are a U.S. customer, please don't contact us asking for a "shim kit". There are no shim kits and there isn't a need for them. Shimming the catch to hold the back of the magazine up higher will do nothing to change the width of the magazine at the retention rib, and you may induce new problems by changing the orientation of the magazine.
The number at AINA is 540-368-3108
M-T 8:30 am to 5:00 pm and 8:30 am to 12:00 pm Friday.
-Scott
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Sidestepped the magazine baseplate issue entirely
The people want added capacity baseplate compatibility.In all seriousness thanks for the explanation in public and messages!
Thank you for the explanation. You went and looked to see what was going on and thats what I really wanted to shut the hell up.
I know its probably not your role at the company ( or maybe it is), but when I've paid $3000 for a gun and $3000 additional dollars for "its bulletproof, you aren't going to have to worry about this thing" I want to hear things that revolve around "we are going to make sure this never happens again" and not "we are happy to fix your broken stuff". I think your post nailed that approach.
If you are also willing to go and look at the root cause of the issue that I had with my rifle please PM me and I'd be happy to discuss now that we are all on the same page.
I know its probably not your role at the company ( or maybe it is), but when I've paid $3000 for a gun and $3000 additional dollars for "its bulletproof, you aren't going to have to worry about this thing" I want to hear things that revolve around "we are going to make sure this never happens again" and not "we are happy to fix your broken stuff". I think your post nailed that approach.
If you are also willing to go and look at the root cause of the issue that I had with my rifle please PM me and I'd be happy to discuss now that we are all on the same page.
On a more positive note, finally got this bitch all put back together and out to the range to brake it in. First time live firing it and it recoils very “smooth”. Pretty stoked!
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Curious to read about these magazine issues shooters have had. Sounds like I’ve been lucky enough to have dodged a “bad” mag.
Every single company I have ever seen make their own bolt action magazine has had a rough go of it. The DTA mags were awful initially, the Barret MRAD mags were not so good. MDT had some early teething issues. The current Sako TRG mag is pissed off if you top it off.
ETC ETC.
