Mos defYeah I mean like people comp shooters use for barrels / rifle work. If they did bad work the top 10-20 shooters wouldn’t use then
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Mos defYeah I mean like people comp shooters use for barrels / rifle work. If they did bad work the top 10-20 shooters wouldn’t use then
Swannys lube. Seems to work well in all temps from 10-100°. Before that I would use hoppes #9 in the cold and Lucas extreme if it was warm. The lucas would gum up In the cold.So. @Nik H was somewhat right about lube I guess. I used grease lightly on the bolt guide. Seemed to help a lot. But worried this general purpose grease will gum up again when it gets cold wet frozen etc.
Looks like bolt guide is bare steel? Seems it should have been coated with Teflon or something. ?
What lube are you using and works well from 10*-100*?
Dry pics :
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Living in Minnesota and being from North Dakota, this subject is of interest to me.So. @Nik H was somewhat right about lube I guess. I used grease lightly on the bolt guide. Seemed to help a lot. But worried this general purpose grease will gum up again when it gets cold wet frozen etc.
Looks like bolt guide is bare steel? Seems it should have been coated with Teflon or something. ?
What lube are you using and works well from 10*-100*?
Dry pics :
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Living in Minnesota and being from North Dakota, this subject is of interest to me.
I don’t pretend to be an expert, as I’ve only really started looking into it last year. Here is a link about cold weather stuff and here is my post on a cold weather lube thread.
Basically, from what I’ve researched indicates that you first should strip all lube from the chamber and bolt with something like acetone. Get all the lube off.
I’m testing:
- Mobil One 0w-20 (-40°F)
- 880 Crown & Chassis Extreme Grease (-40°F)
- NECO Moly-Slide (-30°F? Manuf. emailed estimate)
- CherryBalmz Winter Balm (-55 to -65°F)
Motor oil temp ranges:
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I’ve used the first three so far in a bastard BRN-180 that had lots of other problems so I haven’t gotten any good data yet. Plus it’s been unseasonable warm this winter. Don’t think it’s broke -5°F.
I don’t slop it on, that’s for sure.
Shooters choice all weather high tech greaseSo. @Nik H was somewhat right about lube I guess. I used grease lightly on the bolt guide. Seemed to help a lot. But worried this general purpose grease will gum up again when it gets cold wet frozen etc.
Looks like bolt guide is bare steel? Seems it should have been coated with Teflon or something. ?
What lube are you using and works well from 10*-100*?
I’ve got a new 26” .308 barrel for an AT but it’s plain and does not have a threading for the muzzle. Where would you guys recommend I send m barrel to get the muzzle threaded to 5/8”-24”?
Try XF-7...it's not oily and won't gum up. I have had it out in temps as low as 20 degrees and it is still liquidSo. @Nik H was somewhat right about lube I guess. I used grease lightly on the bolt guide. Seemed to help a lot. But worried this general purpose grease will gum up again when it gets cold wet frozen etc.
Looks like bolt guide is bare steel? Seems it should have been coated with Teflon or something. ?
What lube are you using and works well from 10*-100*?
Dry pics :
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What temp was it when the Sako knob sheared off?In one of my winter courses, a guy sheared off his TRG 22 bolt handle.
I let him use a Surgeon 18” loaner.
It’s weird, because I’ve shot a lot of TRG 42 in .338 LM in Finland in the cold, and never saw a TRG fail like that.
Here’s the rifle that had the bolt knob shear off:
Day 2 brought us some nicer conditions:
Not -27°F, just a range between 25°F & 27°F, right? So could be maybe 0° to 15°F where you were?It was below freezing. The nearest town, Price temps were in the 25˚-27˚ F for lows, but the range complex is much higher elevation.
Is this in Utah? I recognize your username. You helped me build a Mk12 Mod 0 upper and accuracy test it in like 2015.It was below freezing. The nearest town, Price temps were in the 25˚-27˚ F for lows, but the range complex is much higher elevation (6300-6600ft).
It wasn’t bad compared to many other places I’ve been, but it was cold.
The guy who sheared the bolt off his TRG 22 was an 11B who had served with 10th Mountain. I actually saw him and his brother first as a team at Sniper Adventure Challenge down in New Mexico in 2013, where his brother went down pretty hard, needed IV therapy. That was in opposite weather conditions.
11Bs can be hard on gear, right there with Marines. He really seemed to enjoy low-crawling in the snow.
Lol just saw this.11Bs can be hard on gear, right there with Marines. He really seemed to enjoy low-crawling in the snow.
Yes. +25˚ to 27˚ F down in Price. I don’t recall what it was exactly up in the mountains, but it was pretty chilly.Not -27°F, just a range between 25°F & 27°F, right? So could be maybe 0° to 15°F where you were?
As you allude too, surprising that the bolt knob decided to let go…maybe just metal fatigue? Someone on SH broke an AI bolt handle somehow and posted a pic.
Yes, outside of Price at probably the best range facility in the US.Is this in Utah? I recognize your username. You helped me build a Mk12 Mod 0 upper and accuracy test it in like 2015.
Day 1 was mostly at the 1000yd and 600yd flat ranges. Day 2 was all in field conditions where I’m pretty sure he switched to boots.Lol just saw this.
The dude in the running shoes must have hot feet.
Also @BurtG, don’t trust just the number on the side of the motor oil bottle. I watched a -40°F pour test on a number of motor oils and the cheap Walmart oil was worse than molasses, and even higher end oils were significantly worse than mobile one.
Screenshot below:
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@LRRPF52 has some experience in cold weather military stuff.
Finally, this thread has some good info as well (whoops, already linked to it above, oh well):
Freezing rifle test - Garand Thumb
I wasn't expecting much. But I must admit the brands/ types I thought would do well did not! I found this really enlightening.www.snipershide.com
So in a pinch I can just pull the dipstick out of my engine and wipe some off on my finger and smear it on my bolt?Mobil 1 is the best all around gun lube you can buy
How old is the oil in your engine?So in a pinch I can just pull the dipstick out of my engine and wipe some off on my finger and smear it on my bolt?
Yes, outside of Price at probably the best range facility in the US.
Is that the upper that shot really well, but didn’t like M193 due to having a shorter chamber meant for secant ogive bullets?
What you do on your own time is your own business, bub.So in a pinch I can just pull the dipstick out of my engine and wipe some off on my finger and smear it on my bolt?
I think that was frog lube ?Wasn't there some company that was basically selling Crisco as a gun lube and they got busted on that?
Indeed it was. It was a Douglas barrel chambered by compass lake and it shot the big ones (77 or 69) really well but was awful with 55. Good memory.Yes, outside of Price at probably the best range facility in the US.
Is that the upper that shot really well, but didn’t like M193 due to having a shorter chamber meant for secant ogive bullets?
I keep on forgetting about ATF. I should try some.I personally use ATF in a small needle bottle applied to the high friction areas and it's a very very little amount.
If you think your engine takes a beating, imagine a part that doesn’t get its oil changed for 100,000 miles. Lots of moving metal parts in that tranny.I keep on forgetting about ATF. I should try some.
That and trans fluid has the most amounts of detergents in it for automotive applications.If you think your engine takes a beating, imagine a part that doesn’t get its oil changed for 100,000 miles. Lots of moving metal parts in that tranny.
ATF for the win
Wasn't there some company that was basically selling Crisco as a gun lube and they got busted on that?
Either way, I don't buy into all the gun industry doing any kind of research on their own lubes. You have the major oil companies spending millions and millions of dollars on R&D on lubricants that stand up to way more abuse than a gun cycling. I personally use ATF in a small needle bottle applied to the high friction areas and it's a very very little amount. I have had the same 2 oz bottle for 10 years and there is still over half full of ATF in it. If you took the bolt out of my rifles they would almost feel dry. I hate it when I pick up a gun and there is just oil everywhere.
Frog lube is coconut oil.That was FireClean.
Froglube sucks in the cold though.
Transmissions don't see any carbon build up though, is the consensus that it's superior to Mobil-1 in that regard or just generally superior?If you think your engine takes a beating, imagine a part that doesn’t get its oil changed for 100,000 miles. Lots of moving metal parts in that tranny.
ATF for the win
Lubricating on the bottom of engine where the oil runs don’t see much carbon. The top end does, pistons chambers etc. Transmissions have metal holding together and spinning at hefty rates. Heat in a tranny is close to 200*.Transmissions don't see any carbon build up though, is the consensus that it's superior to Mobil-1 in that regard or just generally superior?
PS - I've had really good luck with Fire Clean in all my rifles, especially the suppressed, DI M4/AR15 platforms. You guys saying I'll have better luck with either Mobil-1 or ATF accross the board? Because I have gallons of both lying around the garage. I maintain all my vehicles at home so it's always in abundant supply.
Thanks. Appreciate the insight.Lubricating on the bottom of engine where the oil runs don’t see much carbon. The top end does, pistons chambers etc. Transmissions have metal holding together and spinning at hefty rates. Heat in a tranny is close to 200*.
Motor oil I think holds up better to being washed with fuel, from cylinder leakage. But motor oil is changed often, 3000. Tranny oil is WAY longer, and most trannies that I’ve rebuilt the oil wasn’t the issue. It was clutch slippage (horsepower related).
In my opinion ATF does well in cold or hot and doesn’t attract as much dirt as motor.
You shush your mouth.Glad we could con another person into the cult
I mean if the dark side worries you so much, they've also got you covered with a 'not-so-dark side'.
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ETA, sorry about the MRAD, I was too lazy to find a more suitable pic.
You shush your mouth.
You guys and all your fancy Nightforce’s about to make me make the leap into the dark side complete
Brother. Nightforce? Gross
We rocking ZCO, Schmidt, and the all mighty Tangent dawg.
Took 284 pages to get to the truth..........I mean if the dark side worries you so much, they've also got you covered with a 'not-so-dark side'.
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ETA, sorry about the MRAD, I was too lazy to find a more suitable pic.
Poor is a mind set, there's a few TT's going for cheap in the PX. @NoLegs24 may still have some for sale too man. You owe it to yourself to get one
If I did that, one of y’all would have to adopt me when I get thrown out the dang house.Poor is a mind set, there's a few TT's going for cheap in the PX. @NoLegs24 may still have some for sale too man. You owe it to yourself to get one