I bet it gets settled before any court hears it.
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Alec Baldwin literally just shot two people
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I'm sorry but what don't you understand about the four cardinal rules? Every gun is loaded(did he check that ?) Never aim at something you don't want to destroy) Why was he aiming at staff instead of the movie's scripted targets? Never put your finger on the the trigger until you're sure of your target. (cinenatograther) and director, not in the intended film scene? So unsure of your down range hits?
If that was the case it would be epic, maybe SNL will hire Alec as a coffee boy after he loses his fortune in the civil case.
Sounds like the guys on strike may have just hit the jackpot for a new contract
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It seems to make most sense that it was an incident that happened while they were not filming. Because if there were filming there would be film of it. Probably from several angles. Where is that?
I have no idea but being in the pit I'm not above wild speculation. I'm going to say there is video of this incident. I'll go even further in saying the longer we go without seeing it, the more damning it is...
or it gets held back for investigative/court reasons.
Depends how you see it. If his prints are not on the rounds, it means he did not check. Regardless, Baldwin is responsible no matter how you look at it. The question is who else shares the blame
He held the pistol, pointed it at someone, and pulled the trigger. It was intentional and deliberate.
Firearms are not toys. Loaded or unloaded. Period. Full stop.
From experience I would expect there to be atleast a backup sound recorder going. That being said, flash cards and thumb drives could disappear very quickly in cases like this.
I'm gonna bet my left nut this wasn't a "prop gun"....and I'm going to bet my right nut it wasn't an "accident"
....this didnt even happen as a result of him filming a scene.....
Prop guns are almost always modified to not accept live ammo...and when the scene is over, the prop master takes control over them....they aren't just laying around
The blame here solely rests on the shoulders of Santa Claus, for when a young Alec sat on his lap and asked for a real Spanish wife and a fake gun the old geezer fucked it up.
The union issued a statement that there were no prop masters on set. Baldwin and Co’s leftieness only extends as far as to the point where it cuts into their personal profit.
It was probably a real gun to watch for rattle snakes... Alec being the dumbshit he is.. probably just grabbed it assuming it was a prop gun.
Or rather no union prop masters.
”According to an internal email sent to members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees Local 44 union, which represents prop masters, the gun shot by Baldwin was filled with “a live round” of ammo, and the prop master on set was not a member of that union, IndieWire reports.”
I don't think anyone has the right, but in our current culture whomever posts it first gets the clicks so we end up with the ability to see everything that happens everywhere on twit and fb. Well, with the exception of say... a guy hauling dozens of guns and thousands of rounds of ammo through a casino.
Interesting read
www.latimes.com
“Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.
There were two misfires on the prop gun on Saturday and one the previous week, the person said, adding “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set”
”The cinematographer who was accidentally killed, Halyna Hutchins, had been advocating for safer conditions for her team, said one crew member who was on the set.”
'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting
At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set.
www.latimes.com
“Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.
There were two misfires on the prop gun on Saturday and one the previous week, the person said, adding “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set”
”The cinematographer who was accidentally killed, Halyna Hutchins, had been advocating for safer conditions for her team, said one crew member who was on the set.”
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Fuck Alec Baldwin...has that already been emphasized!?
I’ve been an extra on a movie and fired blank rounds. Nobody else was responsible for that weapon but me. I loaded it and nobody else.
How many here would trust someone else to load your weapon for you if you were going to carry or use it for self-defense? I’ll bet none of you.
How many here would trust someone else to load the weapon with blanks to be used as a movie or stage prop? I’ll bet none of you.
We all know why we won’t trust anyone else to load our weapons in any situation. So why should any actor, even Dead-Eye Baldwin, be any different?
At the very least he out to be brought up on manslaughter charges just like any of us would face in the same situation.
The question is what are the studios sops? They have experts/crew that do those duties. Could be the actor is not allowed to fuck with the weapon other than use it as directed. If the actor takes it upon himself to start "checking" what are the odds the union screams grievance? What are the odds baldwin could tell you what a blank vs a real round looks like? The other question is did this happen as part of a legitimate filming sequence or was he fucking around as that Platts post is saying? If it was while filming why was he aiming at the crew? Till we hear the circumstances under which it happened we are all just speculating. If he was fucking around between takes he should be done. But he won't be. And finally
I'm trying to figure out why a live round would be anywhere near a set. It's claimed the union prop guys weren't there because of strike and local workers came on set to fill the gap. I wonder if they needed a real looking round for a scene but didn't have dummies so someone bought real rounds to use.
As an employee of ISS (Independent Studio Services) and having worked a number of TV shows and movies, I can certainly say that had proper procedures for the use of firearms on set had been followed this incident would not have occurred. This is criminal negligence, plain and simple.
Note, most movie firearms are in fact real firearms, and capable of firing live ammunition. Semiauto and fullauto guns are modified for function by placing a regulator in the barrel and removing the locking mechanism (if any). Blanks can be 1/4, 1/2 or full flash, which is why you see the flash even in daylight. CGI is only used on occasion as it is so much more expensive that blanks.
If the scene does require the weapon to be fired, or parts actuated, a dummy gun is almost always used instead. These are rubber replicas and totally non functional. You can sometimes see this, for example in Road to Perdition, where Tom Hanks goes to the hotel and shoots Daniel Craig in the bathtub. That is a rubber gun, the hammer is down on a 1911 (prevents breaking it off) and no parts move when the firing takes place, its just an effect dubbed in during post production.
Firing scenes are carefully blocked and staged to prevent injury. Actors often know less than nothing about the firearms or their operation, so don't expect them to check anything, that's the job of the prop master, along with proper briefing of everyone who will be on set at the time. I will show you the firearm, brief you on the operations and show you the loading process and the fact that it is properly ready.
I do a number of shows that are live action, using live guns with live ammo. That is NOT the same as shooting a movie. Movie sets HAVE NO LIVE AMMO ON SET. Special effects where live fire is required/desired are filmed seperatly from the actors scenes and in a different location. Another example, I worked on sound and effects for Dunkirk, where live fire was requested for sound and visuals (tracer) rather that CGI. That was filmed here at Gunsite on the HK range, shooting over an IMAX camera with a microphone farm to capture audio. No actors, in fact, not even the director, just effects guys and grips.
There is no excuse for this gross negligence, and I should hope that proper criminal charges are brought on the parties involved and the following civil suit should be quick and massive.
Note, most movie firearms are in fact real firearms, and capable of firing live ammunition. Semiauto and fullauto guns are modified for function by placing a regulator in the barrel and removing the locking mechanism (if any). Blanks can be 1/4, 1/2 or full flash, which is why you see the flash even in daylight. CGI is only used on occasion as it is so much more expensive that blanks.
If the scene does require the weapon to be fired, or parts actuated, a dummy gun is almost always used instead. These are rubber replicas and totally non functional. You can sometimes see this, for example in Road to Perdition, where Tom Hanks goes to the hotel and shoots Daniel Craig in the bathtub. That is a rubber gun, the hammer is down on a 1911 (prevents breaking it off) and no parts move when the firing takes place, its just an effect dubbed in during post production.
Firing scenes are carefully blocked and staged to prevent injury. Actors often know less than nothing about the firearms or their operation, so don't expect them to check anything, that's the job of the prop master, along with proper briefing of everyone who will be on set at the time. I will show you the firearm, brief you on the operations and show you the loading process and the fact that it is properly ready.
I do a number of shows that are live action, using live guns with live ammo. That is NOT the same as shooting a movie. Movie sets HAVE NO LIVE AMMO ON SET. Special effects where live fire is required/desired are filmed seperatly from the actors scenes and in a different location. Another example, I worked on sound and effects for Dunkirk, where live fire was requested for sound and visuals (tracer) rather that CGI. That was filmed here at Gunsite on the HK range, shooting over an IMAX camera with a microphone farm to capture audio. No actors, in fact, not even the director, just effects guys and grips.
There is no excuse for this gross negligence, and I should hope that proper criminal charges are brought on the parties involved and the following civil suit should be quick and massive.
Wasn't it the "live" round, that killed the female? My understanding, that round went thru the female, then fragments hit the guy.
In my "prank", friends dad came out of back bedroom, called me some names, shot me in the chest, wad hit me with enough force(either, from the wad, or it scared the sh#t out of me enough to make me jump), it sent me on top of a console T.V.. Mac
“Live”, in movie parlance, does not mean actual fixed ammunition, it means a blank is in place for a firing scene.
the girl was not an actress and not part of any scene, so whatever the reason for live ammo in the gun...he pointed it at somebody and shot her.
his fault full stop. this wasn't an accident while shooting a scene, this was completely irresponsible handling of a deadly weapon.
his fault full stop. this wasn't an accident while shooting a scene, this was completely irresponsible handling of a deadly weapon.
CoryT, Thanks for the professional explanation. There's been too much speculative BS thrown around in this thread. I agree, there was a major fuck up that could lead to some criminal negligence. It may bee a long time before the truth comes out about this.
From I’ve been told, after the union crew walked off and was replaced, Baldwin went off on some rant about Trump, had the gun in hand and…
No actual scene was in progress, so the only video will be some crew member with a phone, probably no camera rolling.
No actual scene was in progress, so the only video will be some crew member with a phone, probably no camera rolling.
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So the story about rehearsing a church scene is the cover story to save his worthless ass?
You are all idiots this was clearly Trumps fault if you don’t believe me just watch CNN tonight they’ll explain it to you...
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