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Anniversary of burning little kids to death
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Yea he was a piece of shit on his property in his house and a American citizen with constitutional protection. And they took shots at him when he stepped outside. They hit him in the hand. When fbi raids Hillary Clinton’s house and shoots her in the hand then burns her compound down with her children inside then maybe I’ll be ok with their violation of the constitution in order to get someone that’s raped all kinds of kids and a entire country, not to mention killing, stealing, and straight up terrorist shit.. big bad feds aren’t really after criminals or terrorists though are they?
You know who those subsidies and crop insurance subsidies are for?
They aren't for the farmer.
They are to take volatility out of the markets and have a stable CHEAP food supply.
They can take all that and all those regulations and shove them. Most farmers would agree. Don't want your money or your bs rules and regs
$350000 in sales is nothing. Work 80-100 hours every week you should make that net not gross
Hillary and Bill are pieces of shit too. Yes he deserved a trial with a jury of his peers. There were numerous constitutional violations. No, the feds are not after real terrorists. They only go after low hanging fruit because it's easy. I get it. But, on a separate note, Koresh was a piece of shit. McViegh was a piece of shit too.
@deersniper
I kinda know that...
Tough hours, good times, a better place, where I will go werewolf if neccessary, just sayin...
I kinda know that...
Tough hours, good times, a better place, where I will go werewolf if neccessary, just sayin...
Those children in the Murrah Federal building daycare were no less innocent than those in the Waco "compound".
How could any normal, right thinking human being (including McVeigh) do the hideous, murderous things that they did ? Mind boggling....
You know, I understand peoples frustrations with .gov. I do believe they have crossed the line when it comes to the second amendment and once we have gone down that road there is no turning back. I cannot imagine planning and carrying out an operation where you know children are going to die because of your actions. THIS INCLUDES WHAT THE FEDS DID AT WACO AND RUBY RIDGE. (emphasis added for unpragmatic sect of the Hide)
Its not frustration, that comes at the DMV, and the IRS,,, this is fear of a despotic government that will burn 80 kids then lie about it,, and pose for pictures in front of their dead bodies like it is some great battlefield victory... it goes beyond frustration... chart the purchase of individual weapons and ammo since these incidents and you will see a country preparing for revolution or civil war...
I get it but I don't think we are there yet. Everyone has a full belly. Not enough people are getting killed in the streets. Most importantly
97% of the people could care less as long as they get their free healthcare and WIC cards. We have mechanisms to deal with all of this. One is a constitutional convention. We need one on so many levels. I mention this in my circles and I hear "We could have a runaway convention and that will be the end of it all" I say fine then. Let's get this off the ground. Better now than in another 40 years when the frogs are all boiling.
Article 5 is not a possibility to have a run away convention, the states still have to agree to it,,, why do people think it took so long for the first one?
Mcveigh was a piece of shit but it doesn’t appear to me and my research that he was alone.. to many holes in the gov version of what happened. I can still remember the news first saying small car, then truck, then uhaul, experts claiming a whole uhaul full of ammonium nitrate and diesel couldn’t do that much damage..
doesn't matter, he was a POS.
the explosion wasnt efficient, if it was the damage would have been much larger. He is a POS
experts are paid to talk, most dont know WTF they are talking about...
the explosion wasnt efficient, if it was the damage would have been much larger. He is a POS
experts are paid to talk, most dont know WTF they are talking about...
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How anybody watching how divided the U.S. is now; over DT and beer boys report and all that shit; could ever believe, the states could agree on anything, much less a runaway convention, is so far beyond my ability to comprehend, that any agreement is possible today at all.
I could see states voting to succeed again b4 I could see any agreement. But that's just me, and I know my comments here edge toward political discussion and that is not my intent. Merely that I see no possibility of runaway because we are so divided, where the founding fathers were United, but took so long.
I can see AOC arguing at a convention and the hootenanny that followed.... I dont know I would emerge sane if I had to see that level of fucktardery trying to draft a new Constitution. I dont think many of us here could sit long enough before we all went for the red button. Ymmv
I think it would be a nuertering of fedgov, i.e taxation, done by states and paid to fed gov like it used to be. not a whole new constitution.
Adolf Hitler never killed a single Jew, he simply asked his fellow Democrats to report their Jewish neighbors to his minions and they would get a share of the money generated from robbing and killing their former neighbors. His fellow democrats gladly reported anyone they had even a vague idea could be Jewish.
Why? Because they wanted to go along and get along, enjoy socialist society and the perks associated with being called a good Democrat by the local party leaders. 90% of Germans did nothing, not even a editorial to protest the robbing and killing of 6,000,000 of their friends, neighbors and co-workers.
When the Democrats ask people to report their gun owning friends and family to their local party bosses and secret police 90% of your relatives will gladly call and report YOU. And those people will not protest or speak out in support of you. As long as they have plenty of food, free medical and get privileges of being a loyal party lackey, you are as good as dead.
If the electricity goes out for 7 days in this country your socialist neighbors will start roaming in packs, robbing, looting, raping and killing to get whatever they need. If they hear your gennie running and see lights in your home, they will bang on the doors, demanding food, water and a place to stay. If you refuse they will attack you, I promise they will. Democrat party bosses will show up with armed goons from the sheriff or local goon squads and take your food, water, arms, ammo and supplies to "redistribute" to those they feel are more worthy or needy of your property. The worthless 90% who did nothing to prepare or protect their families and property will celebrate.
David Koresh was a scumbag, Randy Weaver was questionable and in both case they were done in by their government without due process of law. In Weaver's case, they had written orders to murder all adults on the property from goon squad leaders. This was a small taste of Democrats in power.
If the acolytes of Adolf and Stalin come to power in our country,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it won't take long for your Constitutional rights to disappear. 90% of your friends and family will gladly turn in every gun, knife and sharp stick for pennies on the worthless dollar if anything. Then they will tell their interviewer your name, address and phone number. This combined with your social media information and "meta data" will insure you are stripped of property and shipped to a gulag, branded and ostracized for life.
Why? Because they wanted to go along and get along, enjoy socialist society and the perks associated with being called a good Democrat by the local party leaders. 90% of Germans did nothing, not even a editorial to protest the robbing and killing of 6,000,000 of their friends, neighbors and co-workers.
When the Democrats ask people to report their gun owning friends and family to their local party bosses and secret police 90% of your relatives will gladly call and report YOU. And those people will not protest or speak out in support of you. As long as they have plenty of food, free medical and get privileges of being a loyal party lackey, you are as good as dead.
If the electricity goes out for 7 days in this country your socialist neighbors will start roaming in packs, robbing, looting, raping and killing to get whatever they need. If they hear your gennie running and see lights in your home, they will bang on the doors, demanding food, water and a place to stay. If you refuse they will attack you, I promise they will. Democrat party bosses will show up with armed goons from the sheriff or local goon squads and take your food, water, arms, ammo and supplies to "redistribute" to those they feel are more worthy or needy of your property. The worthless 90% who did nothing to prepare or protect their families and property will celebrate.
David Koresh was a scumbag, Randy Weaver was questionable and in both case they were done in by their government without due process of law. In Weaver's case, they had written orders to murder all adults on the property from goon squad leaders. This was a small taste of Democrats in power.
If the acolytes of Adolf and Stalin come to power in our country,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it won't take long for your Constitutional rights to disappear. 90% of your friends and family will gladly turn in every gun, knife and sharp stick for pennies on the worthless dollar if anything. Then they will tell their interviewer your name, address and phone number. This combined with your social media information and "meta data" will insure you are stripped of property and shipped to a gulag, branded and ostracized for life.
Why do you think the leftists want 13,000,000 leftist voting criminals imported into America? They will ship them to the heartland by the millions and use them to turn Red states blue. Every legal citizen imported from the third world is shipped to places they do not want to live, like Portland, Maine. North of me is a town on the edge of a huge reservation, during the Obama years they exported dozens of African-American gangsters to the area, why? This is not a place people intentionally move to, much less the inner-city rapper crowd, but now their are hundreds. Living on free shit from Uncle Sam.
Take a look at a map, any decent sized city in a RED state is turned blue. They pack the city with legalized illegals, leftist losers who moved as part of social justice warrior planning and dregs exported from inner cities. In Ohio they move people to areas for 30days so they can register to vote,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,swing the elections,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and move them onto the next city.
Spokane, WA is constantly targeted by a communist group called, "Envision Spokane", unions give them hundreds of thousands of dollars to put initiatives on the ballot. Free housing for all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Free jobs for all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,guaranteed $25 per hour and you cannot be fired unless a local "committee of party bosses" sides with your employer,,,unlikely as hell freezing over. Free sick time, two weeks a year for all employees, paid vacation for all worked and a year of family leave for everything including a pet death.
The chances of anyone doing anything even remotely resembling a "constitutional convention" are ZERO. All that will happen from here until the collapse of our country will all be downhill. Thank socialists controlling education and the ignorance of the average 35 and under idiot for the end of our country.
LG762,
In hope of clearing up one point, "Randy Weaver was questionable", I strongly disagree.
He dropped out of college during Vietnam to join the Army, to serve his country, and did for three years, receiving an honorable discharge.
He chose, on principles, to separate himself and his family from the debauchery of society, and live apart from it, much like many of our ancestors did, moving west into the mountains in the 1700's, and he moved to be free from the societal influences he saw and disagreed with. To raise his family, home schooled, in the same principles most of us were taught, God, Country, and the American way.
If you should be lucky enough to meet him now, you will meet an humble man of integrity who lost much, merely for standing up for the ideals the country and U.S. Military taught him.
Please reconsider calling him questionable.
VR
And in your above post, you are preaching to the choir.
In hope of clearing up one point, "Randy Weaver was questionable", I strongly disagree.
He dropped out of college during Vietnam to join the Army, to serve his country, and did for three years, receiving an honorable discharge.
He chose, on principles, to separate himself and his family from the debauchery of society, and live apart from it, much like many of our ancestors did, moving west into the mountains in the 1700's, and he moved to be free from the societal influences he saw and disagreed with. To raise his family, home schooled, in the same principles most of us were taught, God, Country, and the American way.
If you should be lucky enough to meet him now, you will meet an humble man of integrity who lost much, merely for standing up for the ideals the country and U.S. Military taught him.
Please reconsider calling him questionable.
VR
And in your above post, you are preaching to the choir.
I met him a few times at local gun shows, I kinda liked the guy. He won his wrongful death lawsuit and that proves him right. He served and I respect that too. His service to his country and his service in Special Forces was a primary reason why the FBI targeted him to be an informer. When he declined, they tried to entrap him to force him to be an informer in order to avoid prison. He had "friends" who were working with the FBI and ATF to make that happen. He got sucked in with the wrong crowd of idiots over in Idaho and fell for some crap, he should have known better. Some of the people who claimed to be his friends were actually selling him down the road and working to entrap him for the FBI.
This event that started the stand off was preventable if anyone on either side had acted even a tiny bit differently in my opinion. Murdering his wife and son was unforgivable.
This event that started the stand off was preventable if anyone on either side had acted even a tiny bit differently in my opinion. Murdering his wife and son was unforgivable.
Yes. Agreed.
The readings of the historical record about exactly what happened and what Gerry Spence defended Randy Weaver against is fascinating. That is, if you want to get really pissed off.
As I recall, Ruby ridge happened under G.W. Bush Sr.'s watch........I've always been inclined to blame Clinton for that shitshow.
@TC
There are several things HW did that set the stage for Waco. HW basically and most inadvertently and unintentionally created RR with his NWO speech and the rise of resistance against nwo, in turn creating a level of fear in .gov leading to the 1208 program in 1990 arming non federal police to better prosecute the war on drugs, yet, still protect .gov just in case...
The mindset HW brought was the WW2 win process and his 3 digit agency experience. This in depth is the backdrop for what followed.
The resistance to HW and NWO created a movement that scared the shit out of Clinton and Reno who "got tougher" to spank the children back in place. And history was written. Been covered pretty well after the fire.
We really need a couple of modern day Gerry Spences..... jmho
There are several things HW did that set the stage for Waco. HW basically and most inadvertently and unintentionally created RR with his NWO speech and the rise of resistance against nwo, in turn creating a level of fear in .gov leading to the 1208 program in 1990 arming non federal police to better prosecute the war on drugs, yet, still protect .gov just in case...
The mindset HW brought was the WW2 win process and his 3 digit agency experience. This in depth is the backdrop for what followed.
The resistance to HW and NWO created a movement that scared the shit out of Clinton and Reno who "got tougher" to spank the children back in place. And history was written. Been covered pretty well after the fire.
We really need a couple of modern day Gerry Spences..... jmho
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1. i have to say, AJ’s new tone....you are far more effective in presenting your view.
2. no one here is promoting korish as a saint. not one person.
3. it’s really a shame that mcviegh decided to blow that building up instead of target the people who were directly involved in the incident/s; instead of just handing out fliers with home address out at gun shows. i could have at least respected his willingness to confront those he saw as enemies of the constitution.
that’s one guy i would have really liked to sit down and talk with....to ask him why he chose what he did instead of directly addressing those involved. but then again, given the chance, i probably wouldnt have taken it. too big a chance of having lines blurred; seeing the guy as a human being might be hard on someone. even if he was misguided to a horrible level.
2. no one here is promoting korish as a saint. not one person.
3. it’s really a shame that mcviegh decided to blow that building up instead of target the people who were directly involved in the incident/s; instead of just handing out fliers with home address out at gun shows. i could have at least respected his willingness to confront those he saw as enemies of the constitution.
that’s one guy i would have really liked to sit down and talk with....to ask him why he chose what he did instead of directly addressing those involved. but then again, given the chance, i probably wouldnt have taken it. too big a chance of having lines blurred; seeing the guy as a human being might be hard on someone. even if he was misguided to a horrible level.
Portland Maine, in the historic district, is a beautiful place with some of the best restaurants I have ever experienced. It is also a very liberal area replete with lots of SJW/alternative lifestyle. The history of the port, harbor and its significance in WWII is impressive.
Step outside of that bubble, on a hot day with bright sun as I experienced, and if you have ever traveled to an overseas third world country in the tropics you will experience a sense of dejavu that you are back in that third world place and no longer in America.
This happened to me last August when I got lost looking for this place....
https://mainemilitarymuseum.org/
There is no assimilation. They come here and rebuild their former homelands. How they get signage and storefronts to mimic that from their former homes impresses and saddens me.
Regards that museum.....it is run by a man that was smart enough to work his way to good fortune. He has decided to give back to the world by opening that museum and honoring vets. The collection is impressive for a private party. He charges nothing to view it. The hall its housed in is provided gratis to vets for appropriate events.
Certainly a great visit just to speak with the owner/docents.
Highly suggest anyone in the area visit this museum and speak to the owner.
How times change. When I was a kid most of that got done by hand. Especially the 'bacca.'
Ha. Meby so, but when they come for me they had better roll heavy and kick
Fanatics are a cancer and must be cut out of the body politic by the same violence they favor. McVeigh may have seen himself as a
"patriot", but I think you are vastly misguided if you see him as anything other than the mass murdering lunatic he was.
Yea, slavery was wrong and antithetical to our American values. John Brown wanted to stop slavery. I agree with his sentiment. However, I would shoot him in the face, or cut his fucking head off on sight rather than want to sit down with him and talk. Violent, fanatical zealots can be somewhat useful in a war, as long as their numbers are small, when properly applied, but outside of active hostilities violent fanatics are hostile to the rule of law and civilization in general, because they can justify ANYTHING in pursuit of their noble goals.
Fanatics are a cancer and must be cut out of the body politic by the same violence they favor. McVeigh may have seen himself as a
"patriot", but I think you are vastly misguided if you see him as anything other than the mass murdering lunatic he was.
Interesting isnt it, that our own Republic, is electing 'Zealots' who want to destroy our own Republic. Im glad Im 69. This is going to get ugly.
That is the only thing they understand. They best think it thru if thats their plan as their children will pay a heaver price. That said I'm 71 an still up for it if that's their wishes. I don't work out because I like it, I work out because I'm not ready for a box,...If need be I'm up for one last game of tag, that will be meaningful,... I've some limited experience, an would like to see Mission Complete stamped one last time.
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If your over 65, hehehehheheh, stay in shape you old bastages we might need you.
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@Fig you certainly have your right to your view. and i have the right to mine. you re-read my post, and let me know if you find any sympathy for mcviegh in there...there was none. i think if he had real reason, focus and dedication, he could have attained his goal without being a mass murderer.
the older i get, the more experience i have, the more i realize that the less i know. be careful about the declaritive statement you make....for someday, someone may declare YOU a zealot or fanatic. THEN what? something to think about.
the older i get, the more experience i have, the more i realize that the less i know. be careful about the declaritive statement you make....for someday, someone may declare YOU a zealot or fanatic. THEN what? something to think about.
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