Anybody else pissed off about this?

[jdbove]

Went through my ritual this evening looking for reloading components and rimfire ammo at the online sites. Still largely coming up empty on the items I need.

I usually shoot CCI Mini Mag HP in my Ruger 10/22 when gunning for varmints so always look for that.

Surprised to find it IN STOCK at Cheaper Than Dirt! Super Duper!

Then I saw the price....$40 for a box of 100!! That's over 4 times the normal price at most places!

So I understand supply & demand and all that, but most of the reputable online dealers are keeping their prices CLOSE to normal, or selling at MSRP without discounts, and when the stock goes, it just goes. They still earn their traditional profit margin or a bit more.

Cheaper Than Dirt is guilty of price gouging, and a daresay I will likely never buy anything from them again, even when these maddening shortages diminish.

 

[EKIM1428]

Yep, they were one of the first to gouge and turn their backs on us. I will never buy from them for any reason.

 

[2Shots]

If I remember correctly they were the ones that were asking 200 bucks for a 30 rd AR mag during the mag crunch, haven't even looked at his site or magazine since.

 

[UA_Flyfisher]

They've been absolutely nuts on prices since the beginning. I live about 15mins from one of the retail stores and things are even worse in there. Still get the catalogs and emails but don't pay much attention to them.

 

[kimberseries1]

Cheaper Than Dirt is guilty of price gouging,.

Dare I speak truth and say; in a capitalist society, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRICE GOUGING.

There are MARKET prices. Those come from SUPPLY AND DEMAND. And if people PAY, there is NO GOUGE.


Wow, what a concept. If people weren't paying, they would drop the price. Do people even know what capitalism is anymore? I mean, I know we haven't been capitalist in a great many years, but....

 

[long range newbie]

funny thing is my store has tons of those and I bought a box myself. Also they have the ones with no powder that are super quiet. they are $10 a box

 

[Redmanss]

Dare I speak truth and say; in a capitalist society, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRICE GOUGING.

There are MARKET prices. Those come from SUPPLY AND DEMAND. And if people PAY, there is NO GOUGE.


Wow, what a concept. If people weren't paying, they would drop the price. Do people even know what capitalism is anymore? I mean, I know we haven't been capitalist in a great many years, but....

Price gouging, over charging, whatever. I'm not going to venture into the economics of it all and get critical over a definition, but I will say I have had very little problem buying any number of parts and ammunition at normal pre-Newtown prices from vendors such as MGM, Midway, Rainier, Brownells, TargetSportsUSA and others. They get my business for sure.

What I do know about CTD is right after Newtown they pulled their entire modern sporting rifle inventory offline. They're a gun dealer... Did they forget that? Not at all, they instead decided to kowtow to the emotional media instead of upholding the 2A. That or they saw the writing on the wall that they could wait until the full-on frenzy ensued and charge 3x their original prices. Their damage control was to try and say they wouldn't sell to law enforcement agencies from states that enacted new laws and some people suckered for this, thinking just because they're from Texas that they're the shit when it comes to gun dealers.

All I have to say is "fuck Cheaper than nobody else out there".

Oh, and fuck Dick's Sporting Goods as well.

 

[Stokes]

I've bought lots for CTD. But, if it's not a good deal, I don't buy it. I also don't get offended when they want more than I'm willing to pay.

 

[mkollman74]

Yeah, CTD and Dick's can kick rocks, but not because of their pricing... I feel that way because they tucked their tails between their legs and ran when when it was important to stand...

 

[Sargesniper]

Go to Gun Bots.com and see who else is running up their price on 22LR Ammo. A few i never knew existed and won't look them up again either. We will have to wait until this madness stops before anyone starts getting Ammo and keeping it in stock. Just dont buy from these pirates and send them an E-Mail as i did with CTD and tell them why you will not buy from them. If we all follow through on our own boycott against these people maybe they will see the light. ..... SEMPER FI!

 

[rebs]

a local gun shop here started unpacking 22 lr bulk ammo and putting it clear plastic bags and pricing it at $9.99 for 50 rounds. What a rip off that is.

 

[trigger643]

Yep, they were one of the first to gouge and turn their backs on us. I will never buy from them for any reason.

I crossed them off my list as well.

 

[Charger442]

i think this has been hashed out ad nauseum about CTD on here. Again, they can charge what they want to. its ammo at an online store, not essential food, water, and medical supplies during a natural disaster. So, as mentioned before, its NOT price gouging.

As ive stated before, anyone can choose not to buy from them because of their prices now, but i made the decision to never buy anything from them again because of how they handled online gun sales in the face of "political pressure" which was really non-existent anyway. They turned their backs on us when they should have stood tall and united. i sent them an email during the whole post-newtown hysteria telling them i hoped they went out of business. i still stand by that.

 

[Merlin O]

Dry Fuck em

 

[usmcchet9296]

If you go to must firearm forums there will be a few threads about CTD and there high ammo prices. I shopped with them for at least a decade. There prices were OK and they had the ammo I needed. Since all the hoarding the last year or so CTD decided they could raise their prices to a point it was comical and a few months ago I called/emailed them to cancel my account, stop sending me email/snail mail, and from now on CTD will not get anymore of my money. CDT has a right to do what they want and so do it. I hope they go belly up.

 

[usmcchet9296]

Dare I speak truth and say; in a capitalist society, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRICE GOUGING.

There are MARKET prices. Those come from SUPPLY AND DEMAND. And if people PAY, there is NO GOUGE.


Wow, what a concept. If people weren't paying, they would drop the price. Do people even know what capitalism is anymore? I mean, I know we haven't been capitalist in a great many years, but....

that is true but once all the hoarders are gone its us the regular shoppers that will remember what places like CTD and Dicks did and I can only speak for myself but I will never shop at these places again.

 

[turret]

i haven't bought anything from them since they stated ripping people off the first time obama was elected. being fair to your customers isn't all that hard to do. plenty of businesses could have jacked prices lie mad at certain points and made a killing, but they refused to do so. mostly due to the fact that they actually value their customers and want them to return.

 

[shaman]

Just picked up 1800 rounds of it two weekends ago at walmarts. You gotta shop smarter, or pay more. To second Redmanss, I list the ammo that I have for what I think I can replace it for, not trying to sell it, just saying here it is take it or leave it. Posted on a pig forum, and I was accused of planning for my retirement, being the reason that there is no ammo, and being the sole reason that a county northeast of Austin Texas that I had never heard of before has no ammo at all. Then it got deleted. Some people want it handed to them, and some understand the situation and do what they decide to do.

 

[csdilligaf]

I will only buy from Bruno's Shooters supply. I had ordered Wolf Match .22 when the craze was at its peak. Bruno's held the price at $6.09 a box and let you back order it. Months later it came in and shipped. There had been a price drop to $5.20 a box and they adjusted my order.
Best people I've ever done bussiness with....Period

 

[Sinus211]

Yep, they were one of the first to gouge and turn their backs on us. I will never buy from them for any reason.

BIG +1 CTD is no longer even a consideration for me

 

[Hunbramericano]

I enter Wallmart early morning (after 7 am) and find some ammo, Basspro at opening (9 am) and get 22lr mega pack for $24 with the tax included. Stop by a few local store and see the same ammo for $50 or even $70, some boxes are on the shelfs lately untouched.
Stores are full with guns in South Florida and ammo appears on the shelves now more and more often. Some stores are keep the ammo prices in the sky and see same guns priced from normal to all the way 100% higher than regular price. I see Remington 700 SPS Tactical 308 16.5 threaded barrel at $650 in one store and $1,200 in other.
I dont mean to be rude but many businesses are either out of touch with the market or they think there will be a new mass shooting and another gun grabbing scare.

 

[user]

Dry Fuck em

+1

Send it.

 

[TheGerman]

They were never cheap to begin with. They simply advertised/sold alot of ChiCom crap tac gear that looked the same and was cheaper than quality gear and gave an impression that they were a better value.

They are the walmart of online shooting supplies and gear.

Now they've priced themselves out of the universe taking complete advantage of a situation that could have easily put them out of business. These kind of people have a special place in hell and are right up there with the likes of Jews that sold their own people out.

They didn't lose a customer in me because their retarded website that was developed by a monkey with a syphilis infection that went to his brain, and the shipping options that tripled in price because you added 1 thing from 'warehouse B' kept me away from the beginning.

Their current practices ensure that I wouldn't buy anything from them if by some odd chance it was the cheapest, and some baby whale's life depended on my purchase.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

CTD is throttling demand by regulating prices. Fools will pay any price, and that's who CTD is pandering to. It's a market niche and somebody has to serve it. CTD does.

Move along, nothing to see here...

 

[Strykervet]

Yep, they were one of the first to gouge and turn their backs on us. I will never buy from them for any reason.

I thought they were THE first? They pulled all their shit the day after the shooing in Dec., then when everyone else ran out, they put it all back up for ridiculous prices.

I permanently boycott them now and I only do that with a few places including BP Oil. They won't be doing you any favors, that's for sure, and if you aren't savvy and careful enough, you'll get burned by 'em. There are a lot of places that didn't pull stunts like this, Rainier Arms for instance, they're a good one.

If CTD was the only place I could get parts or mags left for a particular weapon, I'd sell, trade, give or throw away that weapon first.

 

[diverdon]

If people weren't paying, they would drop the price. Do people even know what capitalism is anymore? I mean, I know we haven't been capitalist in a great many years, but....

I guess people do not know what Capitalism is. Capitalism is not a system wherein the threat of imminent draconian Government controls prevents manufactures from investing to increase production capacity to meet demand.

 

[Hunbramericano]

I guess people do not know what Capitalism is. Capitalism is not a system wherein the threat of imminent draconian Government controls prevents manufactures from investing to increase production capacity to meet demand.

On the top of that preventing legal and licensed importers to fulfill the demand by creating limits and laws/regulations. Is not capitalism when the government creates a crises about a merchandise (ammunition) that is completely legal to own, sell import or export. All this for political gain and to control law-abiding citizens by projecting an armed unruly crowd's pictures above them.

 

[EXTREMEPREJUDICE]

No reason to be pissed, just don't purchase from them.

 

[Twisted .308]

Do like I do ! Go to my local gunsmith and ask him to put in a .22 order for me next time he places an order from one of the major distributors he deals with It might take a month for them to fill it but I've been getting 2500-5000 rds a month from him like this

 

[Beyschaefer]

Dare I speak truth and say; in a capitalist society, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRICE GOUGING.

There are MARKET prices. Those come from SUPPLY AND DEMAND. And if people PAY, there is NO GOUGE.

Wow, what a concept. If people weren't paying, they would drop the price. Do people even know what capitalism is anymore? I mean, I know we haven't been capitalist in a great many years, but....

I am in wholehearted agreement with this...

Yeah, CTD and Dick's can kick rocks, but not because of their pricing... I feel that way because they tucked their tails between their legs and ran when when it was important to stand...

And I am also in wholehearted agreement with THIS...

I don't do business with CTD because they caved within hours, not because they stratospherically priced their stuff. However, the propensity to try to get $100 for a $13 PMAG would also make me reconsider doing business with them. Not because they are "gouging", but because they're scum, and I try not to enrich scum if I can help it. Now, if they had a magazine for my IZH-35M russian target pistol, I MIGHT consider paying $100 for one, because they haven't imported 'em in years, and one of my 3 went sour.... but I guess that's another story for another board.

 

[pawprint2]

I, like most Americans support the Free Market system, if the market will bear the price it will remain high, but, and this is a big But (bigger than the butt on one of the butt sisters) this is NOT a free market, the Fed determines who can and can not import ammo, what countries can export ammo to us, taxes all ammo at the federal level, then it is subject to sales tax (tax on a tax), and the list goes on. Those ripping off their core customers now, will wonder where they went when the demand starts to falter. I've actually read on this very board, some people believe the large gun and ammo companies are making less money as they have to hire extra help to try to keep up with demand!!!! Well, this is the state of public education.

 

[Name Enough]

Capitalism gives them the right to charge what the market will bear.
It also give us the right to boycott them for what we may perceive as abuse of a supply shortage.
Living in American also gives us the right to tell them to go to hell.

 

[borefodder]

Sit tight fellas. Its almost over. 22lr was one of the last calibers to get hoarded. Look at 5.56, it was the first to get hoarded and while its not quite back to prepanic levels, its fairly readily available and further down in price than before. Certainly online anyway. Like someone mentioned earlier in the thread, go to gunbot.net and look around. There was a time when nothing was in stock. Now you can at least buy the over priced Eley stuff at will now and if you have a job where you work on a computer all day, put it in the background and set the beep alert, you'll get something for fairly normal prices eventually. But either way, while it still may be a couple more months, if the trend with firearms and other ammo calibers stays true, it should be over soon.

 

[hounddawg]

Well, good news is that Cabelas has CCI minimag solids for $9. I know, it ain't HP, but it ain't $40 either

 

[armorpl8chikn]

You want to be pissed? Go look at all the Wal-Mart ammo for sale on GB for 300+% markup. Make sure you notice how long some of these accounts have been active. Notice that the auctions are 3 box lots, or derivatives thereof. These aren't small businesses, they are profiteers. I am all for capitalism. What CTD is doing is far less heinous than the Wal-Mart profiteers. That is not to insinuate I am a fan of CTD. I think I have purchased one time from CTD in the last 20 years. They had some surplus American '06 that I bought back in the 90's I believe. Will I ever buy anything else from them? Doubtful...highly. I was looking for some mess kits the other night and CTD came up with what I was looking....I moved on. That is my choice, some would buy, that is their freedom to choose. That is one of the things that make our country great. I am making a list of users that I will never buy from on GB as well.

 

[mdmorrow]

CTD has come down on some stuff but I don't shop there unless there's no other option.

 

[zondfive]

I've bought lots for CTD. But, if it's not a good deal, I don't buy it. I also don't get offended when they want more than I'm willing to pay.

Over time I have observed the change - at one point they had some bargains and I believe they then began to subscribe to the PT Barnum philosophy of a sucker being born every minute - - That's OK because some folks just have to spend big bucks for small stuff - why - I don't know but it is true - some sort of self satisfaction thing I guess.

The thing that bothers me is - I was recently told by a friend that Canadian stores have no 22 shortages...... if that is accurate we have a bit bigger problem than some tinker toy business trying to screw us out of a few bucks.

Anyone else heard this?

Z

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I will shop anywhere that has the goods, and spend what I consider necessary for necessary items.

Note the use of the word "necessary"; that includes no concerns about resale. Right now that means I buy a lot less, and also that I treat my existing ammo as a semi-irreplaceable resource.

I harbor no displeasure about the current ammunition supply situation, except toward the politicians who insist they know better about what's good for us then we ever could.

If high prices are the cost of availability, all that means to me is that market forces are operating on a new set of imperatives. As always, I (we?) need to make clear choices about needs and values.

Anyone who allows emotion to dictate such choices is eventually going to end up being conflicted. Allowing politics to dictate such choices is simply applying more of what's already wrong to the issue.

It's about economics, and that's all it's about. Anything else is just that: something else.

Greg

 

[oldfatguy]

There are capitalism, what-the-market-will-bear pricing, and other free, and not so free, market dynamics at work. Those are one side of the coin.

And then there are $20 bags of ice and $10 a gallon gasoline after the hurricane blows ashore. Big difference. Some understand the difference, some don't.

OFG

 

[aqualung]

I will only buy from Bruno's Shooters supply. I had ordered Wolf Match .22 when the craze was at its peak. Bruno's held the price at $6.09 a box and let you back order it. Months later it came in and shipped. There had been a price drop to $5.20 a box and they adjusted my order.
Best people I've ever done bussiness with....Period

This is good to hear. They'll get my Dollar.

Anybody else got some good people they can recommend??

Lets be +ve, and give our business to those who deserve it, instead of being -ve and just bitching about CTD.

N

 

[gunfreak101]

That is their right to do that but that does not make it right. I have never done business with them and plan on not doing any in the future. I sold some ar's during the panic for panic money but people made that choice. There is a pawn shop near me run by a prick with lots f nice stuff at stupid inflated prices selling 22 ammin plastic bags is 50 for 10.00 which is bad but even worse than that the a holes where selling 1 lb. powder with half the powder taken out. They had a sign posted the size of a post it note above them stating it was a half pound. Watched a guy buy some and realized what happened and demanded his money back but was told all sales are final. Needless to say he was asked to leave by his wantabe operator security/sales people. I will never buy anything for them again and told them that when I was leaving. The moral to mystoryis screw the businesses that did that crap and do business with the ones that took care of their fellow gun owners.

 

[Sargesniper]

That is their right to do that but that does not make it right. I have never done business with them and plan on not doing any in the future. I sold some ar's during the panic for panic money but people made that choice. There is a pawn shop near me run by a prick with lots f nice stuff at stupid inflated prices selling 22 ammin plastic bags is 50 for 10.00 which is bad but even worse than that the a holes where selling 1 lb. powder with half the powder taken out. They had a sign posted the size of a post it note above them stating it was a half pound. Watched a guy buy some and realized what happened and demanded his money back but was told all sales are final. Needless to say he was asked to leave by his wantabe operator security/sales people. I will never buy anything for them again and told them that when I was leaving. The moral to mystoryis screw the businesses that did that crap and do business with the ones that took care of their fellow gun owners.

So this store owner opens up the powder and sells it in half pound containers? How were the marked? One container could be correct of the contents but what kind of container was the other half in? Sounds like this guy is playing with fire if he gets the powder mixed up. NEVER buy powder that has had the security lid removed or altered in any way. Do not know if there is law that has been broken by this guy but it may be worth looking into. I would avoid his establishment like the plague. Alert all you know that may may be inclined to shop there. ...SEMPER FI!