Only thing making it a shit show mate....is cock heads like you !!Holy fuck, how is this shit show still going...
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Only thing making it a shit show mate....is cock heads like you !!Holy fuck, how is this shit show still going...
Hurr durr look at me. alpha glass is overhyped garbage, but my low tier made in China optic is amazing!Only thing making it a shit show mate....is cock heads like you !!
Oh mate !!!! I would LOVE for you to talk to my dealer !!!!!!If I was his "Dealer", I'd draw the blinds, lock the doors and put out the "closed" sign if I saw him coming.
That's the thing.....I have always owned and used "Alpha" glass......Still do.I love how these Arkan threads pop up being the best thing since sliced bread. But hey you do you, if you love cheap Chinese shit have at it. The rest of us will keep using this shity alpha glass.
Hurr durr look at me. alpha glass is overhyped garbage, but my low tier made in China optic is amazing!
Personally I think you're full of shit...
Let's see............
5) ZCO's. greatest thing since sliced bread. Until they weren't. Sent all 5 of them back through his Dealer for a refund. $20K USD approximately (?)
1) maybe 2 S und B's that were "Far better" than the "junk" ZCO's that he previously returned. But, apparently, S und B also fell out of favor, just like ZCO and were returned to the factory for "repair". Wonder if he's asking for/demanding a credit for those as well.
Now, the favorite "child” is "Arken". Obviously, much better than ZCO or S und B...............
If I was his "Dealer", I'd draw the blinds, lock the doors and put out the "closed" sign if I saw him coming.
To be fair, @wooferocau contributes regularly in the Desert Tech thread and has for a long while now. I remember when be first picked up all those “alpha” scopes on top of what he already owns and how pleased he was with them until he wasn’t……….but you boneheads wouldn’t know that.I love how these Arkan threads pop up being the best thing since sliced bread. But hey you do you, if you love cheap Chinese shit have at it. The rest of us will keep using this shity alpha glass.
I really appreciate your post. I have 2 Arkens: one on a Bergara HMR B14 in 6.5 creed and one on a Vudoo (.22 LR). I feel they are adequate for me, but I am not experienced and haven't used high end optics. I sometimes wonder what I am missing, but $300 USD vs $1,200 USD is a big financial jump for me.$1250 Arken ( Left) vs $9500 S&B ( Right) at 1200yds
Honestly......The Arken will NOT hinder your shooting performance!!!It sounds like, until I shoot well enough to have it make a difference, I have a good optic for where I am at and what I am shooting.
The best thing about this site is dumbass insecure douchebags like you. Thanks for the free entertainment!Holy fuck, how is this shit show still going...
It’s his thread. Step out if you must.
What's the point here?NX8 vs ZCO vs Arken..
So
$4k vs $7.5k vs $1.2k
@wooferocau is out of Australia.Where do these scope prices come from? They seem kind of high. Did I miss something?
Ahhh I must have missed that, thank you. Those amounts make a little more sense now. Well as much sense as a scope costing that much can!!!@wooferocau is out of Australia.
My point..What's the point here?
You have your opinion and experiences...I respect that..Your anecdotal experiences with alpha glass don’t translate into real world experience, so please stop acting like they do. It makes you look like a fool. I don’t give a shit if it’s your thread or not because this is a discussion forum…clearly full of opinions and not facts.
Also pretending a ZCO has “slightly” better resolution makes you look equally as retarded. I’m not discounting whatever Wade has to say about your character and input into the shooting community previously. I’m making a point of how little you’re actually contributing now with this garbage. Everyone knows there’s other options and that YOU’VE had shitty luck with some alpha brands. There’s also a fuck ton of people that could say the same with Arken, myself included. I still own 5 or 6 of them but not going to pretend they’re God’s gift to shooting.
I fall somewhere between #1 and #2. To wit, I could afford to buy one or two alpha tier scopes...but I own a lot more rifles than that. For now, I'm outfitting all my guns with "budget" stuff. A Bushnell Engage on the low end (it's a 3-9 that I paid $171 for) up to a Steiner Predator 4 (2.5-10 and I paid $670) on the "high" end. I do own an Arken. For the $299 I paid...it's amazing. I'll eventually replace some of these with top tier glass, but for now, everything is doing what I need for my opportunities and abilities.My point..
To "Try" and show there are options if..
#1 Someone doesn't want to pay top dollar for an optic
#2 Someone can NOT afford to pay top dollar for an optic.
Many here infer that using the "Cheap /Chinese /Arken " optic will inhibit your shooting experience ....and that is utter BS.
Myself and a young friend who is one of the top PRS/NRL shooters here ( His Rim X outfit in the pics) compared the 3 optics yesterday.
Both the Arken and ZCO are noticeably better than the NX8 ( a mid priced optic here in Aus)
The ZCO ( An Upper end scope here in Aus) resolves "slightly" more detail than the Arken... BUT gee its close , far closer than it should be considering the price differential!!
Is the ZCO better than the Arken optically ...... Yes .. BUT is it $6K+ better.......no way in hell!!
I used to be of the attitude that pure optic quality aside, the reason we pay far more for top tier optics is for durability/reliability . Well that theory over the past year or so has gone completely out the window!!
The numbers of "Top Tier" optics i have had fail trashed that theory completely !!
My dealer here in Aus is a good friend, he runs and owns one of the largest dealerships ( Tactical gear.....Optics..... Rifles....accessories) here in Aus . He distributes all the top tier optics available.
When he disclosed the warranty/return rate of some of the Top Tier ( expensive) optics it was a shock!! I think this aspect would raise eyebrows on a lot of people.
He is the one responsible for pushing me to try the Arkens.
I was one to fall into the " Elitist " attitude camp as are many here , that has changed .
One of the Arkens will live on one of my spare HTI,s for an indefinite period...it will be a mix of 50 bmg and 375CT . If it dies or has issues i will document it here.
I have a batch of S&B 6-36,s and 10-60,s coming back from repair in Germany......lets see how they hold up this time around.
Yo Overton, this you?
If One Eyed Joe, Hackfire, and Tardasaurus Rex made a butt-baby...“Zero Tolerances”
What a fucking retard. Jesus.
Looks familiar.
They do in fact as they are 1st person experiences. His. If you were trying to say that his experiences do not reflect those of the average persons experience with alpha glass, you failed, miserably.Your anecdotal experiences with alpha glass don’t translate into real world experience
You are doing a bang up job yourself.It makes you look like a fool.
Everything you seem to post is your opinion. Not sure if you know what a fact is at this pointI don’t give a shit if it’s your thread or not because this is a discussion forum…clearly full of opinions and not facts.
So your anecdotal experiences are valid, and his are not. Sometimes you encounter someone so stupid, you just have to step back and marvel. Thanks for making today that day.There’s also a fuck ton of people that could say the same with Arken, myself included. I still own 5 or 6 of them but not going to pretend they’re God’s gift to shooting.
Cool story broThey do in fact as they are 1st person experiences. His. If you were trying to say that his experiences do not reflect those of the average persons experience with alpha glass, you failed, miserably.
You are doing a bang up job yourself.
Everything you seem to post is your opinion. Not sure if you know what a fact is at this point
So your anecdotal experiences are valid, and his are not. Sometimes you encounter someone so stupid, you just have to step back and marvel. Thanks for making today that day.
What an original...intelligent reply !!!Cool story bro
I own Arkens, as I’ve said. I think they’re great for the money and punch far above the price. They have their place. If someone likes a scope and it works for them, more power to them.Feel like there is a lot of snobby high end scope owners in here that have big hurt feelings. Y’all need to chill. He makes a valid point with way more facts than anybody else is presenting. Not just opinion. Not the first time I’ve heard someone say that a much cheaper scope looks better than a nightforce.
We all realize 5k scopes are more than likely much nicer than a $300 arken, but damn if I would t rather actually own a $300 optic and have money left over for ammo to practice with and enjoy at the range or in the field. Some of us may have other priorities than multiple thousand dollar optics to put on our cheap ruger Americans or budget aero solid “long range” guns.
You wouldn't know "real" knowledge if you stepped in it. You have an opinion, as does everyone else. I don't see you providing any proof, or data to back up your opinions. Why should anyone care what you think rando blowhard?I own Arkens, as I’ve said. I think they’re great for the money and punch far above the price. They have their place. If someone likes a scope and it works for them, more power to them.
It’s the unrealistic notion that Arkens compare to or exceed alpha glass. This is where the level of retard is obtained. That goes for the other morons excusing his claims and opinions. If you want real knowledge speak to Ilya or someone that actually tests scopes properly.
ExactlyThis thread reminds me of certain members who hailed the mighty EP5. Then 5 months later hailed the mighty Burris as the latest/greatest.
I say we give it some time. Revisit this thread in a few years and see where we’re at then.
So far every thread of the latest and greatest that has been out for a while has another thread crapping all over the same optic
Alpha glass give or take a few lemons has been alpha for longer than some of these companies like Arken have been alive
I’ve owned many budget and alpha optics. I have yet to come across that $500-$800 optic that is touted as a $3000 optic killer actually stack up and make it long enough in the market to steal those contracts or dominate the alpha game
Most times we see it for a while. Then the newest $3000 optic killer comes out. We spill our koolaid and grab the other cup
Not saying a $500 optic isn’t great. But great for the price and true alpha optic with a track record are very different things
You’ve been here 4 months and are supporting ignorance. I don’t have to prove or show anything, there’s a whole community of shooters on here that agree with me. I know this because I’ve been here long enough to see this retarded argument posted about every year or so.You wouldn't know "real" knowledge if you stepped in it. You have an opinion, as does everyone else. I don't see you providing any proof, or data to back up your opinions. Why should anyone care what you think rando blowhard?
Argumentum ad populum - it's popular and people agree with me, so it must be true.You’ve been here 4 months and are supporting ignorance. I don’t have to prove or show anything, there’s a whole community of shooters on here that agree with me. I know this because I’ve been here long enough to see this retarded argument posted about every year or so.
Welcome to the Hide, idiot.
My OPINION is my experience having bought 5 Arken scopes, and using 7 of them (2 were garbage right out of the box), including their SH4 Gen2, EP5, and EPL4 models. Not a single one of them could even remotely compete with my $1000 Vortex Viper HD, and I actually removed several Arkens and replaced them with Burris XTR-II 5-25x50 SCR MIL scopes that were on sale @ EuroOptic for $550 at the time, because they were better scopes, better glass, and built better. Facts are facts. Are Arkens good for their price point? Yes. Are they alpha-tier glass? Good luck trying to convince me otherwise, when I've looked through them side-by-side with my Kahles K624i & K318i scopes, Nightforce ATACR F1, Zeiss S3, Burris XTR-III, Vortex Razor Gen3, and many other "alpha tier" scopes I own.Feel like there is a lot of snobby high end scope owners in here that have big hurt feelings. Y’all need to chill. He makes a valid point with way more facts than anybody else is presenting. Not just opinion. Not the first time I’ve heard someone say that a much cheaper scope looks better than a nightforce.
We all realize 5k scopes are more than likely much nicer than a $300 arken, but damn if I would t rather actually own a $300 optic and have money left over for ammo to practice with and enjoy at the range or in the field. Some of us may have other priorities than multiple thousand dollar optics to put on our cheap ruger Americans or budget aero solid “long range” guns.
Alpha tier glass is a bs term that really doesn't mean anything because what it means is subjective to whomever is saying it. Brand bias and petty tribalism is really all this is.Are Arkens good for their price point? Yes. Are they alpha-tier glass?
As per my PM To you...My OPINION is my experience having bought 5 Arken scopes, and using 7 of them (2 were garbage right out of the box), including their SH4 Gen2, EP5, and EPL4 models. Not a single one of them could even remotely compete with my $1000 Vortex Viper HD, and I actually removed several Arkens and replaced them with Burris XTR-II 5-25x50 SCR MIL scopes that were on sale @ EuroOptic for $550 at the time, because they were better scopes, better glass, and built better. Facts are facts. Are Arkens good for their price point? Yes. Are they alpha-tier glass? Good luck trying to convince me otherwise, when I've looked through them side-by-side with my Kahles K624i & K318i scopes, Nightforce ATACR F1, Zeiss S3, Burris XTR-III, Vortex Razor Gen3, and many other "alpha tier" scopes I own.
The reason I'm curious is because 1.) I like that MPR reticle, 2.) I wouldn't mind a decent 7-35x56 for one of my target rifles, and 3.) the image he's posted up is exponentially better than any Arken I've ever seen, and I'm curious to know if they really stepped up their glass game that much.
If I can get him to ship me one for like $550-600 USD (like the sale price on their website), but from Oz with that MPR reticle that we can't get here in the US, and the glass is just as good as the images he shows, then I'm highly curious to try one myself.
Idk if any of you watch the mullets merica dude, but he shot an elr match with the ep5 7-35. He seemed very impressed at that price point. I’ll say the video looked really damn good considering that it’s an Arken and in my experience, video usually degrades quality. Most impressive imo was the video through the scope at the 1 mile target. Sure peaked my interest.My OPINION is my experience having bought 5 Arken scopes, and using 7 of them (2 were garbage right out of the box), including their SH4 Gen2, EP5, and EPL4 models. Not a single one of them could even remotely compete with my $1000 Vortex Viper HD, and I actually removed several Arkens and replaced them with Burris XTR-II 5-25x50 SCR MIL scopes that were on sale @ EuroOptic for $550 at the time, because they were better scopes, better glass, and built better. Facts are facts. Are Arkens good for their price point? Yes. Are they alpha-tier glass? Good luck trying to convince me otherwise, when I've looked through them side-by-side with my Kahles K624i & K318i scopes, Nightforce ATACR F1, Zeiss S3, Burris XTR-III, Vortex Razor Gen3, and many other "alpha tier" scopes I own.
The reason I'm curious is because 1.) I like that MPR reticle, 2.) I wouldn't mind a decent 7-35x56 for one of my target rifles, and 3.) the image he's posted up is exponentially better than any Arken I've ever seen, and I'm curious to know if they really stepped up their glass game that much.
If I can get him to ship me one for like $550-600 USD (like the sale price on their website), but from Oz with that MPR reticle that we can't get here in the US, and the glass is just as good as the images he shows, then I'm highly curious to try one myself.