Rifle Scopes Arken SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 VPR MIL

[FuhQ]

I did like Buckcherry said… “Say fuck it!” and now I have to swap a few more scopes out with Vortex HS-T’s, and then those with others, and then sell the old ones. Slowly weeding out the bottom of the barrel.

They got noticeably heavier, but, here’s a couple of my REAL (1 mile+) long rangers sporting some new @ArkenOpticsUSA SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 VPR MIL scopes...

Top: All-original 2002 Rem 700 Sendero SF 7mm STW (special ordered it new in 2002 at the very end of production) 26” barrel 9.25” twist. Absolute tack-driver. Puts Berger 180 Hybrids in the same hole @ 100.

Bottom: Custom Rem 700 made to clone a Sendero SF chambered in .300 Ackley 40°. Also a track-driver with Berger 215 Hybrids & 7977… 14 Fps ES, 4 SD

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

I did like Buckcherry said… “Say fuck it!” and now I have to swap a few more scopes out with Vortex HS-T’s, and then those with others, and then sell the old ones. Slowly weeding out the bottom of the barrel.

They got noticeably heavier, but, here’s a couple of my REAL (1 mile+) long rangers…

Top: All-original 2002 Rem 700 Sendero SF 7mm STW (special ordered it new in 2002 at the very end of production) 26” barrel 9.25” twist. Absolute tack-driver. Puts Berger 180 Hybrids in the same hole @ 100.

Bottom: Custom Rem 700 made to clone a Sendero SF chambered in .300 Ackley 40°. Also a track-driver with Berger 215 Hybrids & 7977… 14 Fps ES, 4 SD

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Good looking RIGS right there!
What height rings on the bottom rifle?

 

[FuhQ]

Good looking RIGS right there!
What height rings on the bottom rifle?

Both are the same height and both are using EGW HD 20MOA bases... The top rings are Seekins Precision 34mm Low 0.92". And the bottom rings are the Arken HALO 34mm Low 0.92" rings.

I use Seekins rings on pretty much every rifle I own, because they're just incredible rings, super beefy, light, and very robust and well-made. Never had a set rust, not even the screw heads.

Those Arken rings are pretty substantial. And the machining on them is REALLY high quality. There is virtually zero ring-gap, with means they designed those rings to have a tolerance on their scope's tubes, of maybe 0.025" at the most, on each side, after proper torquing. They fit nearly perfect. Don't let the $60 price fool you, they're solid rings.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Both are the same height and both are using EGW HD 20MOA bases... The top rings are Seekins Precision 34mm Low 0.92". And the bottom rings are the Arken HALO 34mm Low 0.92" rings.

I use Seekins rings on pretty much every rifle I own, because they're just incredible rings, super beefy, light, and very robust and well-made. Never had a set rust, not even the screw heads.

Those Arken rings are pretty substantial. And the machining on them is REALLY high quality. There is virtually zero ring-gap, with means they designed those rings to have a tolerance on their scope's tubes, of maybe 0.025" at the most, on each side, after proper torquing. They fit nearly perfect. Don't let the $60 price fool you, they're solid rings.

I bought the Arken one piece 20moa mount with my 1st scope.1.5" high I believe. Perfect for the RPR & my AR10. Seems like a solid mount. Wasn't sure what height rings I'd need for mounting one on one of my Rem 700's. Plan on ordering another Arken or 2, still debating between another sh4 6-24 Or the new EP5......

 

[db2000]

I bought the Arken one piece 20moa mount with my 1st scope.1.5" high I believe. Perfect for the RPR & my AR10. Seems like a solid mount. Wasn't sure what height rings I'd need for mounting one on one of my Rem 700's. Plan on ordering another Arken or 2, still debating between another sh4 6-24 Or the new EP5......

Why debate over $100. No brainer.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Why debate over $100. No brainer.

More of a debate over sticking with the 50mm vs the bigger 56mm. Yes, dumb, I know

 

[FuhQ]

Why debate over $100. No brainer.

As nice as the glass is in my SH4's, even for $100, the Japanese ED glass for $100 bill ain't a bad upgrade.

I tell you what I'd like to see is an EP5 with the 50mm objective option. Maybe make it $499, and keep the 56mm as $549?

 

[z71rat]

I have been after Arken to build an AR type platform scope since their SH4 Gen1 originally came out. From what I hear now, they are finally working on one. It will more than likely be in the 1-6 or 1-8 power range. We will see.

DK

 

[FuhQ]

I have been after Arken to build an AR type platform scope since their SH4 Gen1 originally came out. From what I hear now, they are finally working on one. It will more than likely be in the 1-6 or 1-8 power range. We will see.

DK

I think a 1-10x30 34mm tube VPR MIL, with the EP5 turrets, zero-stop, parallax, and Illum. setup would be ideal. 1-10x allows usage for not only AR's, but for scout rifles, and safari rifles.

Basically, just take an EP5 and hack the objective bell off of it, and make it a straight-tube 1-10x LPVO with a true 1x on the bottom end. It would be a big seller.

 

[Gohring65]

I think a 1-10x30 34mm tube VPR MIL, with the EP5 turrets, zero-stop, parallax, and Illum. setup would be ideal. 1-10x allows usage for not only AR's, but for scout rifles, and safari rifles.

Basically, just take an EP5 and hack the objective bell off of it, and make it a straight-tube 1-10x LPVO with a true 1x on the bottom end. It would be a big seller.

1-10 seems like a big step for companies to get right. The tech is getting better though. Right now I’d settle for a tough
1-6 or 1-8 with green daylight bright illumination.

 

[FuhQ]

1-10 seems like a big step for companies to get right. The tech is getting better though. Right now I’d settle for a tough
1-6 or 1-8 with green daylight bright illumination.

I see a lot of 1-10x LPVO's, but none really in an affordable price range. Most seem to start in the 4-digit range. A $450 1-10x30 LPVO with all those features would set the market ablaze and probably get a lot of attention.

The more companies like Arken that make quality and solid optics at affordable prices, the more the big boys that are still using 10-20-30 year old tech, will have to either evolve, or start dropping their prices to recoup some lost sales. Why would I buy a $3,500 S&B to shoot 1,000 yards, when I can buy a $350 Arken SH4 right now that will do the exact same thing? The glass might not be the same clarity, but if the turrets and tracking are just as good, and the glass is good enough to shoot that far, then why spend all that money? Now, if I had full disposable income, like winning the lottery, or making 7 figures a year, sure, why not have the very best of everything?

 

[oso1]

I see a lot of 1-10x LPVO's, but none really in an affordable price range. Most seem to start in the 4-digit range. A $450 1-10x30 LPVO with all those features would set the market ablaze and probably get a lot of attention.

The more companies like Arken that make quality and solid optics at affordable prices, the more the big boys that are still using 10-20-30 year old tech, will have to either evolve, or start dropping their prices to recoup some lost sales. Why would I buy a $3,500 S&B to shoot 1,000 yards, when I can buy a $350 Arken SH4 right now that will do the exact same thing? The glass might not be the same clarity, but if the turrets and tracking are just as good, and the glass is good enough to shoot that far, then why spend all that money? Now, if I had full disposable income, like winning the lottery, or making 7 figures a year, sure, why not have the very best of everything?

What are you shooting at 1000 yds ? and what are you trying to hit ? If just shooting steel and impacts are anywhere on the steel that is one thing. Can you see the rings on a paper target at 1000 yds. with your Arken ? Can you dial 1/8 MOA hold 2 or 3 rings for wind and put your shot in a 5" X ring at 1000 yds ? This why many spend the extra on a better optic, comes down to intended use, so it really can't do the same thing.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

My sh4 has "HD" glass. The new EP5 says "ED" Glass, WTF is "ED"?

 

[r.tenorio671]

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My sh4 has "HD" glass. The new EP5 says "ED" Glass, WTF is "ED"?

..High Definition, Extra Dispersion?

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

..

..High Definition, Extra Dispersion?

I knew what HD stood for. They should have called the jap glass UHD or something lol.

 

[DangerRanger]

Extra-low dispersion.

Lots of scope makers use the term

UHD is even more vague imo

 

[db2000]

Extra-Low Dispersion
Companies can essentially make up their own terms though is my understanding. Similar to TV companies.
The glass and coatings seem to make the biggest difference in clarity, color and light transmission in part it seems.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Extra-low dispersion.

Lots of scope makers use the term

UHD is even more vague imo

At least it don't say "Special Ed"

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Just ordered another SH4 Gen ll 6-24×50mm & Combo pack for my Armalite AR10 T. After measuring existing Arken w/50mm objective on my RPR with the Arken 1.5" high 1 piece mount(same mounting height on AR10), I see NO way I'll have clearance for the EP5's 56mm objective. I could get higher rings but don't really want that.

 

[r.tenorio671]

Just ordered another SH4 Gen ll 6-24×50mm & Combo pack for my Armalite AR10 T. After measuring existing Arken w/50mm objective on my RPR with the Arken 1.5" high 1 piece mount(same mounting height on AR10), I see NO way I'll have clearance for the EP5's 56mm objective. I could get higher rings but don't really want that.

....questions on the clearance of the new 56mm bell is popping up more in the discussions. The downloadable EP5 Users Manual doesn't contain a schematic of the dimensions of the scope itself, unfortunately. It would be informative if Arken (or one of their distributors) could post that info so folks could extrapolate how far below the centerline the bell projects. The rings and the mount have those dimensions noted which could help prospective buyers better determine what they would need to purchase. On the Arken site there is a link to their forum and in the "Common Questions" there is a discussion on what ring height is recommended, caveated that it's applicable to the 50mm bells. The discussion also has a link to a calculator that can be used.

 

[Mike Casselton]

My sh4 has "HD" glass. The new EP5 says "ED" Glass, WTF is "ED"?

Erectile Dys...

 

[DangerRanger]

Just ordered another SH4 Gen ll 6-24×50mm & Combo pack for my Armalite AR10 T. After measuring existing Arken w/50mm objective on my RPR with the Arken 1.5" high 1 piece mount(same mounting height on AR10), I see NO way I'll have clearance for the EP5's 56mm objective. I could get higher rings but don't really want that.

Can you post a pic?

Might be a Deal breaker for me.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Can you post a pic?

Might be a Deal breaker for me.

I'll try to get a decent pic after work.

 

[oso1]

....questions on the clearance of the new 56mm bell is popping up more in the discussions. The downloadable EP5 Users Manual doesn't contain a schematic of the dimensions of the scope itself, unfortunately. It would be informative if Arken (or one of their distributors) could post that info so folks could extrapolate how far below the centerline the bell projects. The rings and the mount have those dimensions noted which could help prospective buyers better determine what they would need to purchase. On the Arken site there is a link to their forum and in the "Common Questions" there is a discussion on what ring height is recommended, caveated that it's applicable to the 50mm bells. The discussion also has a link to a calculator that can be used.

You know it is a 34 mm tube and a 56 mm objective, there is a sticky thread on this forum, Midway has a chart, there are charts online, so what other info is required ?

 

[db2000]

You know it is a 34 mm tube and a 56 mm objective, there is a sticky thread on this forum, Midway has a chart, there are charts online, so what other info is required ?

Length is helpful and we know overall it’s 14” I believe but knowing dimensions of the angle of the bell may be helpful to some. Contour of the barrel matters obviously. I think people want to have a mount ready for when the scope arrives.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

As you can see in my shitty attempt at pics, I've got approximately 4mm of clearance with the 50mm objective. The ep5 56mm would be close/tight with the scope cap in my opinion. Close enough to hit (resting or from recoil) not certain. I'd have plenty of clearance on my Ruger American Ranch or one of the other bolt guns I believe, just too close for comfort for the AR10's for me.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

I wish Arken would have done something along the lines like my 56mm Leupold...sets a lot lower.

 

[Allthewatts]

I think you're in the wrong thread... Nobody is running a Tikka T1x in here...

If you're referring to @NCRSniper post, then he said he has a Savage 110 Tactical (centerfire) rifle.

I have an Arken on my T1x... Medium rings and flip caps is the way to go.

 

[FuhQ]

Just ordered another SH4 Gen ll 6-24×50mm & Combo pack for my Armalite AR10 T. After measuring existing Arken w/50mm objective on my RPR with the Arken 1.5" high 1 piece mount(same mounting height on AR10), I see NO way I'll have clearance for the EP5's 56mm objective. I could get higher rings but don't really want that.

I put my Strike Eagle 5-25x56 on my 6.5 Grendel AR with the Arken mount temporarily... Worked just fine. Close, but it did fit.

Rifle Scopes - Arken SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 VPR MIL

*** Alright... Let's try this one more time... Maybe they have gotten it out of their system, and this time folks can be mature about this and act civil, and not accuse people of "shilling", and start hating on what other people spend their own personal money on. *** *** I am not sponsored...

www.snipershide.com

 

[FuhQ]

I have an Arken on my T1x... Medium rings and flip caps is the way to go.

At the time I posted that, we had not discussed Tikkas, we were talking about other things.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

I put my Strike Eagle 5-25x56 on my 6.5 Grendel AR with the Arken mount temporarily... Worked just fine. Close, but it did fit.

Rifle Scopes - Arken SH4 Gen2 6-24x50 VPR MIL

*** Alright... Let's try this one more time... Maybe they have gotten it out of their system, and this time folks can be mature about this and act civil, and not accuse people of "shilling", and start hating on what other people spend their own personal money on. *** *** I am not sponsored...

www.snipershide.com

Yes, but what's the OD of the Strike Eagle objective compared to the OD of the Arken 56mm objective? The Arken is much heavier than other scopes of similar size . I assume because of a much thicker scope body possibly. Overall objective diameter may be larger on the Arken, which would cause less clearance space if so.

 

[FuhQ]

Yes, but what's the OD of the Strike Eagle objective compared to the OD of the Arken 56mm objective? The Arken is much heavier than other scopes of similar size . I assume because of a much thicker scope body possibly. Overall objective diameter may be larger on the Arken, which would cause less clearance space if so.

You'll have to contact @ArkenOpticsUSA to find that out, since nobody will have an EP5 in their hands for a few weeks (according to their website 2-4 week lead time before shipping them out).

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

You'll have to contact @ArkenOpticsUSA to find that out, since nobody will have an EP5 in their hands for a few weeks (according to their website 2-4 week lead time before shipping them out).

It was more an observation & rhetorical. I'm sure the EP5's are going to be phenomenal! I'm SUPER PLEASED though with the SH4 Gen ll 50mm's & KNOW without doubt that it'll fit all my applications, so I confidently ordered another. If feedback on this thread from the lucky EP5 buyers states good clearance, I'll be purchasing an EP5 too!! (Well, once I sell a few organs on the dark web 1st, I'm fukn broke for now )

 

[FuhQ]

It was more an observation & rhetorical. I'm sure the EP5's are going to be phenomenal! I'm SUPER PLEASED though with the SH4 Gen ll 50mm's & KNOW without doubt that it'll fit all my applications, so I confidently ordered another. If feedback on this thread from the lucky EP5 buyers states good clearance, I'll be purchasing an EP5 too!! (Well, once I sell a few organs on the dark web 1st, I'm fukn broke for now )

I know the feeling... I'll probably do something stupid on the last day of the $100 off coupon and order an EP5... I've been known to do dumb shit like that. That's why I have debts. But $100 saved is $100 saved. LOL

Like you said, I wish as many sales as this thread has inadvertently generated for @ArkenOpticsUSA (once again, no affiliation, and that was NOT my intention for starting it) but it would be really nice if they would send me an EP5 to review and test and post about on my social media accounts and my YT channel. I'd start a whole new thread like this one for the EP5 owners to post up in.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

I'd start a whole new thread like this one for the EP5 owners to post up in.

DONT YOU FUCKING DARE, YOU HEATHEN ENABLER!!! YOU are the reason I'm broke....from this SH4 thread!!

In fairness, you're review (& some others) convinced me to try the 1st Arken. The amazing quality, especially for the price, "forced" me to buy more lol. I can't wait to hear thoughts on the new EP5's!!!

 

[r.tenorio671]

....bcuz I intend to use it on an AR platform, I'll be using the Arken 20MOA mount. After googling for and watching quite a few vid reviews showing the SH4 Gen2 mounted on AR's using the Arken 1 piece mount, I feel comfortable the new EP5 won't have a clearance issue, even with the sunshade installed.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Lovin the Arken! Figured my local Sportsmen's club would be a ghost town today. Dark, gloomy, puking rain & 59 °. It was lol. Got the RPR 308 dialed in @ 100 & 200yds with PPU 168GR MATCH ammo. Just shooting off the bipod & rear Accushot monopod, sturdy enough for today. Groups better off bags but good enough for now... The red circle is a Quater I traced. Shot off to the right was 1st shot @ 200 before making final adjustments.

 

[Heavyopp]

Your money will never be worth more than it is today, Biden is making sure of that

With the $100 off these scopes will never be cheaper

I’m not saying debt is good but if you can afford... It’s only money

Nothing will be cheaper in 2022

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Your money will never be worth more than it is today, Biden is making sure of that

With the $100 off these scopes will never be cheaper

I’m not saying debt is good but if you can afford... It’s only money

Nothing will be cheaper in 2022

Agree! That's why I ordered another one.
Also, if their business practices change (they stop selling direct or get bought out & a middle man/wholesaler is involved) prices could be double. Hell of an amazing bargain RIGHT NOW!

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Quick question (please excuse my ignorance). When I got home from the range today, cleaned my rifle & zeroed the turrets. What I'm uncertain about is the zero stop feature. My understanding after browsing the instructions was after setting zero stop, it won't allow to adjust DOWN past 0, but still would be able to dial UP as needed.

AFTER loosening & zeroing elevation turret I retightened the 3 screws- stops at 0 on its own. I can still dial UP & when dialing back DOWN turret stops perfectly at 0. I (thought) I followed directions for next step properly for setting the ZERO stop. Dial UP 2 clicks, tighten top ZERO stop screw & back off quater turn to relieve tension, then dial back to 0 & tighten ZERO stop screw again.

AFTER completing that step, the elevation turret is LOCKED in place. Is this correct or did I do it wrong/ misunderstand??

 

[FuhQ]

Quick question (please excuse my ignorance). When I got home from the range today, cleaned my rifle & zeroed the turrets. What I'm uncertain about is the zero stop feature. My understanding after browsing the instructions was after setting zero stop, it won't allow to adjust DOWN past 0, but still would be able to dial UP as needed.

AFTER loosening & zeroing elevation turret I retightened the 3 screws- stops at 0 on its own. I can still dial UP & when dialing back DOWN turret stops perfectly at 0. I (thought) I followed directions for next step properly for setting the ZERO stop. Dial UP 2 clicks, tighten top ZERO stop screw & back off quater turn to relieve tension, then dial back to 0 & tighten ZERO stop screw again.

AFTER completing that step, the elevation turret is LOCKED in place. Is this correct or did I do it wrong/ misunderstand??

I didn't set any of mine like that.

I set my zero, and then tighten the zero stop on "0". Never had any issues. Mine comes back to the 0 and stops dead. No overlap.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

I didn't set any of mine like that.

I set my zero, and then tighten the zero stop on "0". Never had any issues. Mine comes back to the 0 and stops dead. No overlap.

Mine stops on 0 & will dial up & down back to 0 where it stops. If I tighten top ZERO screw down, it locks elevation turret from moving at all. Is that what's SUPPOSED to be?

 

[FuhQ]

Mine stops on 0 & will dial up & down back to 0 where it stops. If I tighten top ZERO screw down, it locks elevation turret from moving at all. Is that what's SUPPOSED to be?

Yes, mine do that, as well. It's just how its designed.

What I do is I carefully tighten the ZS screw tight until the turret won't turn, then I back it off about 1/8 of a turn, and then tighten the set screw back down that keeps the ZS screw from backing-out. None of mine have budged, and they all come back to true-zero.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Yes, mine do that, as well. It's just how its designed.

What I do is I carefully tighten the ZS screw tight until the turret won't turn, then I back it off about 1/8 of a turn, and then tighten the set screw back down that keeps the ZS screw from backing-out. None of mine have budged, and they all come back to true-zero.

Thanks! Makes sense.

I just watched one of the Arken channel YOUpuke vids. I think I missed the gold (4th) screw on the elevation turret. Mine must have been in just the right spot when i zeroed turrets initially.

 

[FuhQ]

Thanks! Makes sense.

I just watched one of the Arken channel YOUpuke vids. I think I missed the gold (4th) screw on the elevation turret. Mine must have been in just the right spot when i zeroed turrets initially.

Yeah, that gold-colored set-screw on the elevation turret that's directly above the "0" is the ZS set-screw.

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

Yeah, that gold-colored set-screw on the elevation turret that's directly above the "0" is the ZS set-screw.

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Got ya. Thank YOU sir!

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

I see Arken added 56mm caps to their site. Pretty sure the scope covers they already sell fit up to 59mm...

 

[warnera1102]

So I took off my Argos on my 6.5G and replaced it with the Arken. I have to say its a very impressive scope for the money. The turrets are pretty massive but I do enjoy the larger writing. The scope tracks properly and the true zero stop is nice.Compared to my midas tac its hard to tell a huge difference in glass.
You can see the turet size difference in this picture

 

[FuhQ]

So I took off my Argos on my 6.5G and replaced it with the Arken. I have to say its a very impressive scope for the money. The turrets are pretty massive but I do enjoy the larger writing. The scope tracks properly and the true zero stop is nice.Compared to my midas tac its hard to tell a huge difference in glass.
You can see the turet size difference in this pictureView attachment 7770867

Nice! What can are you running?