I dont think there's an issue with objective comparisons of scopes in different price points.....yep, the drama is creeping back into the conversation
...IMHO, when a review starts comparing one product to another, it becomes disingenuous. When a review focuses only on the merits of the item being reviewed it's more meaningful, to me at least. I could never afford a $3K scope so it's a moot point to me if the product compares to brand X $3K scope....I want to know what are the pros & cons of the item being reviewed are, i.e., "very clear at the X-to-X range but 'whatever' at Z-to-Z range"., "click spacing good/bad", etc.
Right off the bat...Bushnell Elite Tactical DMR2/DMR3/LRTS...Leupold Mark5HD...NF NX8
Better yet, take it to the pit so we can all watch. Havent seen a good call out thread for a while.
Do you really not know DMR2 has an illuminated reticle? If you don't even know what you're talking about what relevance is your opinion? Your other point is "knobs feel cheap" for the other Bushy. Wow, great contribution! Very insightful!
I bet simple numbers are a hard thing for you.
Did you bother to read my whole response to that or just selecting certain things of a response?
Nobody ever claimed that everyone who designs top-tier scopes is smart... Numbers like 5, 10, 15, 20...These are easy to keep up with. 10.5, 12, 14, 16... All stupid random numbers. At least ZCO, Steiner, and Minox were smart enough to make even numbered revs.
Good point. They should take notes from $400 Chinese scopes sweeping the competition circuits.
No, they should take notes from common fucking sense, instead of constantly competing with each other to 1-up the next, which is how you end up with a 10.5 MIL turret revolution. We can't be standard like everyone else with 10 MILs, we gotta 1-up everyone and be unique. 10.5 Mils... "Oh man ZCO is only doing 15 MIL turrets...We'd better do 16 MILs...Even though it's more math to keep up in your head while shooting, we still one-upped those bastards!" That's some bubba math bullshit.
What I saw in the video, the EP5 was a lot sharper and crisper throughout the mag range. Also, WAY less CA around the edges when he was shaking with the camera. And the eye box seemed slightly more relaxed on the EP5, than the SH4 Gen2.
when he had the ep5, the camera much more still and centered but not with the sh4 and I think that created a slight distortion with the sh4 when comparing. I think some is the placebo effect here to be honest. both were pretty clear through the magnification settings. I actually saw the screw he was talking about better with the sh4 when he centered it properly. I'm sure the ep5 is more clear but I just didn't see that much of a difference to jump and down about but again, it's not liveWhat I saw in the video, the EP5 was a lot sharper and crisper throughout the mag range. Also, WAY less CA around the edges when he was shaking with the camera. And the eye box seemed slightly more relaxed on the EP5, than the SH4 Gen2.
Maybe it was just me? Could have been his camera?
Exactly... Until mine comes in and I can compare it personally side-by-side, I'm not going to say what is or ain't... That's just how it appeared in the video.
I agree but unfortunately “value” is merited based off a control or standard, so folks compare to some measure of control. This is frequently and naturally a competitor’s product. Of course, depending on how high the bar, panties will get in a wad with varying degrees of rage based on the opinion. Bottom line has been stated again and again, and I feel, most everyone is in agreement it’s a good buy.....yep, the drama is creeping back into the conversation
...IMHO, when a review starts comparing one product to another, it becomes disingenuous. When a review focuses only on the merits of the item being reviewed it's more meaningful, to me at least. I could never afford a $3K scope so it's a moot point to me if the product compares to brand X $3K scope....I want to know what are the pros & cons of the item being reviewed are, i.e., "very clear at the X-to-X range but 'whatever' at Z-to-Z range"., "click spacing good/bad", etc.
What math is there? The number is labeled right on the turret. You look up, the big number says 16. Ok time to do some quick math. What mil am I on......it says 16....but I have to do math..... 14 plus 2..... Oh wait, it's labeled 16. I think even Bubba can figure that one out.No, they should take notes from common fucking sense, instead of constantly competing with each other to 1-up the next, which is how you end up with a 10.5 MIL turret revolution. We can't be standard like everyone else with 10 MILs, we gotta 1-up everyone and be unique. 10.5 Mils... "Oh man ZCO is only doing 15 MIL turrets...We'd better do 16 MILs...Even though it's more math to keep up in your head while shooting, we still one-upped those bastards!" That's some bubba math bullshit.
8 which I believe is a good number for them. Most of the current 1000 yard set ups run at 8 mils or lower at 1000 yards.
Actually your point is invalid... In my VERY FIRST post on this thread, I stated that was something I was not a fan of, and thought was stupid. So...Yeah... Good luck trying to pin that argument.
I purchased the same date and I haven't either. I reached out to them for an update in which they said I was still in the lead time window, but they plan to be on time.
Yeah, last week I commented on an IG post, and they said, "Oh, you're still within the 2-4 week window..." Not gonna lie, that generic bullshit response ticked me off pretty good.
I believe I saw that the MOA versions are shipping all the way up to 12/31 on order dates, but the Mil versions are still around the 12/24 dates.Yeah, last week I commented on an IG post, and they said, "Oh, you're still within the 2-4 week window..." Not gonna lie, that generic bullshit response ticked me off pretty good.
I'm not anybody special, but you could at least tell me around what purchase dates are currently being shipped, so I have a general idea of where they're at.
How do you like your new Magpul stockWell, my Arken 1.26" rings for my AR10 showed up earlier today. They are some damn nice looking rings! Pretty solid for $59. However, they're going in the scope parts bin for now. Shortly after they arrived, I got an email from Primary Arms poking & enticing me about the Magpul PRS 3 stock I'd been looking at on their site. On sale for $200!! Rotten enabling fuckers!!!
Long story short, PRS 3 stock will be here Wednesday......
Pretty decent. Definitely good adjustability and I'm getting a good cheek weld now. It did add a couple pounds though LOL. Between the arken scope and the prs-3 stock, that pig weighs in at 19 pounds even, whole case about 35lb.
What I just read, sounded like, "If you're a broke ignorant hillbilly who's used to Tasco & BSA, you'll think it's great, and won't realize that it's really a piece of shit..."
I think there's some point where people do need to step back, and acknowledge that this is still a $500 scope, and set their expectations accordingly. There are still minimum costs on certain components, and no amount of marketing budget that other larger companies have will change that. You can only squeeze $500 in so many ways, to get "max value" out of it for the consumer, and still be profitable.What I just read, sounded like, "If you're a broke ignorant hillbilly who's used to Tasco & BSA, you'll think it's great, and won't realize that it's really a piece of shit..."
looks cool, Im digging that handguard. Totally thought it was one of these:
Mine:looks cool, Im digging that handguard. Totally thought it was one of these:
