I have been reading ar15 reviews for several years now.. everything from upper, lower, or complete rifle reviews.. I have read threads asking particular questions about numerous companies..bushy,rra,cmmg,dpms,colt,etc.etc. the list could go on forever.. Everyone has their reasons for why one company is better whether it be customer service, quality control, etc.. but i honestly have never heard overwhelming negative comments about a particular company or builder.. is there in fact a company out there that people should just flat out stay away from? i guess this question is more tailored to the smaller companies assuming that the larger companies didnt grow to where they are producing a bad product.
bad AR15 companies?
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That's because most "companies" contract out to a few manufacturers. I would say most are good and the terrible ones don't survive.
That's because most "companies" contract out to a few manufacturers. I would say most are good and the terrible ones don't survive.
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ya, and i guess for a company to still be in buisness in this economy must doing something right.. i just wasnt sure if people have been dealing with a reoccuring problem from a certain company.
ya, and i guess for a company to still be in buisness in this economy must doing something right.. i just wasnt sure if people have been dealing with a reoccuring problem from a certain company.
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BLACKTHORNE PRODUCTS,!! aka AKPARTSKITS.COM
Avoid this company like the plague! Not only poor quality, but dangerous!
Here's a link to a thread just posted on here:http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3037973#Post3037973
07zx6r, your doing the right thing by researching and asking before buying. With the slew of manufacturers making AR15 products anymore it's easy to get your head spinning.
The majority make good products, I have had every flavor and have had good experiences for the most part. I piece together my ARs anymore and I prefer LMT defender lowers, BCM uppers and quality barrel manufacturers such as Douglas, Kreiger, Bartlein and the list goes on and on.
I have found that if you find a good dealer or supplier, just tell them what your looking for. There is no one end all be all of AR manufacturers out there. Even though many will think otherwise.
Just stay away from Blackthorne.
Good luck with your build!
BLACKTHORNE PRODUCTS,!! aka AKPARTSKITS.COM
Avoid this company like the plague! Not only poor quality, but dangerous!
Here's a link to a thread just posted on here:http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3037973#Post3037973
07zx6r, your doing the right thing by researching and asking before buying. With the slew of manufacturers making AR15 products anymore it's easy to get your head spinning.
The majority make good products, I have had every flavor and have had good experiences for the most part. I piece together my ARs anymore and I prefer LMT defender lowers, BCM uppers and quality barrel manufacturers such as Douglas, Kreiger, Bartlein and the list goes on and on.
I have found that if you find a good dealer or supplier, just tell them what your looking for. There is no one end all be all of AR manufacturers out there. Even though many will think otherwise.
Just stay away from Blackthorne.
Good luck with your build!
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the company's mentioned above are still around for a reason . not saying that some of the lower end ar's aren't any good but, i wouldn't trust your life to one !
the company's mentioned above are still around for a reason . not saying that some of the lower end ar's aren't any good but, i wouldn't trust your life to one !
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Most people don't really shoot, so they don't discover issues, and most single guns from any given manufacturer work fine. You could buy a crappy gun like a DPMS and you have probably a better than 90% chance it runs out of the box if you are gentle. Now if you used them in quantities of a hundred, you now have ten guns that don't run.
Also, bad guns often come in runs. I'm aware of a PD that bought DPMS rifles and had more than thirty of them (nearly all) break bolts within a thousand rounds.
Most people don't really shoot, so they don't discover issues, and most single guns from any given manufacturer work fine. You could buy a crappy gun like a DPMS and you have probably a better than 90% chance it runs out of the box if you are gentle. Now if you used them in quantities of a hundred, you now have ten guns that don't run.
Also, bad guns often come in runs. I'm aware of a PD that bought DPMS rifles and had more than thirty of them (nearly all) break bolts within a thousand rounds.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought an Olympic Arms a few years back for a good deal. Shot great no issues, however all my buddies with other makes said it was shit?</div></div>
They got a bad reputation but I doubt they deserve it. People hear bad things about a company then they go repeat it on every forum they read for the next ten years without ever learning more about it.
I do not know how good their stuff is but Olympic arms is doing some interesting stuff, for example they are about your only choice for a factory rifle in one of the WSSM calibers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought an Olympic Arms a few years back for a good deal. Shot great no issues, however all my buddies with other makes said it was shit?</div></div>
They got a bad reputation but I doubt they deserve it. People hear bad things about a company then they go repeat it on every forum they read for the next ten years without ever learning more about it.
I do not know how good their stuff is but Olympic arms is doing some interesting stuff, for example they are about your only choice for a factory rifle in one of the WSSM calibers.
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I had an Olympic Arms carbine about 9 years ago and it was a great little rifle. Any company can have mistakes and mishaps. Olympic Arms have been around for a long time so I would say they are OK.
As mentioned above they are one of the most innovative AR manufacturers for sure. If your Olympic rifle is a good rifle, then I wouldn't sweat the comments saying otherwise. There's always someone out there who has had a problem with every company. When you churn out as many rifles as these companies do it's just the nature of the beast. If your happy with it, and it operates safely and reliably then that's the best opinion you should aknowledge.
I had an Olympic Arms carbine about 9 years ago and it was a great little rifle. Any company can have mistakes and mishaps. Olympic Arms have been around for a long time so I would say they are OK.
As mentioned above they are one of the most innovative AR manufacturers for sure. If your Olympic rifle is a good rifle, then I wouldn't sweat the comments saying otherwise. There's always someone out there who has had a problem with every company. When you churn out as many rifles as these companies do it's just the nature of the beast. If your happy with it, and it operates safely and reliably then that's the best opinion you should aknowledge.
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i got a bushy and love it, people always have their own opinion about certain companies mostly they just hear stuff about one company and then the word spreads from there... but stick to the larger companies that have been tested for years now!!
i got a bushy and love it, people always have their own opinion about certain companies mostly they just hear stuff about one company and then the word spreads from there... but stick to the larger companies that have been tested for years now!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clayhill556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i got a bushy and love it, people always have their own opinion about certain companies mostly they just hear stuff about one company and then the word spreads from there... but stick to the larger companies that have been tested for years now!! </div></div>
Bushmaster has an impressive record of failure. Read training revues (better yet, go to classes) and note what brands consistantly have issues.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clayhill556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i got a bushy and love it, people always have their own opinion about certain companies mostly they just hear stuff about one company and then the word spreads from there... but stick to the larger companies that have been tested for years now!! </div></div>
Bushmaster has an impressive record of failure. Read training revues (better yet, go to classes) and note what brands consistantly have issues.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GalilMAR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had an Olympic Arms carbine about 9 years ago and it was a great little rifle. Any company can have mistakes and mishaps. Olympic Arms have been around for a long time so I would say they are OK.
As mentioned above they are one of the most innovative AR manufacturers for sure. If your Olympic rifle is a good rifle, then I wouldn't sweat the comments saying otherwise. There's always someone out there who has had a problem with every company. When you churn out as many rifles as these companies do it's just the nature of the beast. If your happy with it, and it operates safely and reliably then that's the best opinion you should aknowledge. </div></div>
Olympic makes rough rifles. Now that Mike Hadley is in charge of QC I'm sure things will get better, but I would not want an Olympic again. I had issues. I put up with them back during the ban because mine was a preban receiver.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GalilMAR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had an Olympic Arms carbine about 9 years ago and it was a great little rifle. Any company can have mistakes and mishaps. Olympic Arms have been around for a long time so I would say they are OK.
As mentioned above they are one of the most innovative AR manufacturers for sure. If your Olympic rifle is a good rifle, then I wouldn't sweat the comments saying otherwise. There's always someone out there who has had a problem with every company. When you churn out as many rifles as these companies do it's just the nature of the beast. If your happy with it, and it operates safely and reliably then that's the best opinion you should aknowledge. </div></div>
Olympic makes rough rifles. Now that Mike Hadley is in charge of QC I'm sure things will get better, but I would not want an Olympic again. I had issues. I put up with them back during the ban because mine was a preban receiver.
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I bought a Daniel Defense M4 (yes, it is stamped M4 carbine on the lower) last summer and so far it's pretty good. The buffer tube spring is a little noisy, but I've heard that is a common characteristic of the ARs. There is one thing that I was initially concerned about though. When I point the muzzle down then up, it sounds like there is something moving in the bolt or hammer area. I took the upper off the lower and shook both of them to try to locate the problem. When I did this the sound was coming from the buffer tube. Never figured it out but it fires like it should. I'm happy with it. I am considering a Mk 12 upper for shooting coyotes.(My 16" upper has an Aimpoint comp M3 so it's not ideal for long range shooting)
I bought a Daniel Defense M4 (yes, it is stamped M4 carbine on the lower) last summer and so far it's pretty good. The buffer tube spring is a little noisy, but I've heard that is a common characteristic of the ARs. There is one thing that I was initially concerned about though. When I point the muzzle down then up, it sounds like there is something moving in the bolt or hammer area. I took the upper off the lower and shook both of them to try to locate the problem. When I did this the sound was coming from the buffer tube. Never figured it out but it fires like it should. I'm happy with it. I am considering a Mk 12 upper for shooting coyotes.(My 16" upper has an Aimpoint comp M3 so it's not ideal for long range shooting)
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Dont buy a rifle from Dirty Martin Arms out of Halstead kansas
Less than 100 rounds the hammer pin in the lower reciever came out and made things interesting. it ended up costing me a new trigger group an had to use oversize pins be careful if u decide to buy one fit and finish is terrible grind marks on the upper and tool marks all over
Dont buy a rifle from Dirty Martin Arms out of Halstead kansas
Less than 100 rounds the hammer pin in the lower reciever came out and made things interesting. it ended up costing me a new trigger group an had to use oversize pins be careful if u decide to buy one fit and finish is terrible grind marks on the upper and tool marks all over
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yes i have herd of some problems with bushy but i love mine, maybe bc i take great care of it or its just the good lord granting me with a great rifle but i just finished putting 4 rounds through a 1/4 in hole, never have problems with it. i will agree tho dirty martin arms and river rock are poorly made
yes i have herd of some problems with bushy but i love mine, maybe bc i take great care of it or its just the good lord granting me with a great rifle but i just finished putting 4 rounds through a 1/4 in hole, never have problems with it. i will agree tho dirty martin arms and river rock are poorly made
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaKid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought a Daniel Defense M4 (yes, it is stamped M4 carbine on the lower) last summer and so far it's pretty good. The buffer tube spring is a little noisy, but I've heard that is a common characteristic of the ARs. There is one thing that I was initially concerned about though. When I point the muzzle down then up, it sounds like there is something moving in the bolt or hammer area. I took the upper off the lower and shook both of them to try to locate the problem. When I did this the sound was coming from the buffer tube. Never figured it out but it fires like it should. I'm happy with it. I am considering a Mk 12 upper for shooting coyotes.(My 16" upper has an Aimpoint comp M3 so it's not ideal for long range shooting) </div></div>
The buffer has small weights in it that move. Thats what your hearing, my Colt does the same thing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaKid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought a Daniel Defense M4 (yes, it is stamped M4 carbine on the lower) last summer and so far it's pretty good. The buffer tube spring is a little noisy, but I've heard that is a common characteristic of the ARs. There is one thing that I was initially concerned about though. When I point the muzzle down then up, it sounds like there is something moving in the bolt or hammer area. I took the upper off the lower and shook both of them to try to locate the problem. When I did this the sound was coming from the buffer tube. Never figured it out but it fires like it should. I'm happy with it. I am considering a Mk 12 upper for shooting coyotes.(My 16" upper has an Aimpoint comp M3 so it's not ideal for long range shooting) </div></div>
The buffer has small weights in it that move. Thats what your hearing, my Colt does the same thing.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyanScott</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clayhill556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i got a bushy and love it, people always have their own opinion about certain companies mostly they just hear stuff about one company and then the word spreads from there... but stick to the larger companies that have been tested for years now!! </div></div>
Bushmaster has an impressive record of failure. Read training revues (better yet, go to classes) and note what brands consistantly have issues. </div></div>
While I haven't posted in a while, I feel I must chime in on this one. I own a Bushmaster M4 style rifle, XM15-E2S I believe (going off the top of my head) and I have never had any issues. Not one. I have pumped countless rounds through it, and really haven't taken care of it anywhere near to the standards I keep for my Remington 700 precision rifle I built recently. My point is that Bushmaster like everyone else said is still around for a reason. I for one can speak for their durability because of the product I own.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyanScott</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clayhill556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i got a bushy and love it, people always have their own opinion about certain companies mostly they just hear stuff about one company and then the word spreads from there... but stick to the larger companies that have been tested for years now!! </div></div>
Bushmaster has an impressive record of failure. Read training revues (better yet, go to classes) and note what brands consistantly have issues. </div></div>
While I haven't posted in a while, I feel I must chime in on this one. I own a Bushmaster M4 style rifle, XM15-E2S I believe (going off the top of my head) and I have never had any issues. Not one. I have pumped countless rounds through it, and really haven't taken care of it anywhere near to the standards I keep for my Remington 700 precision rifle I built recently. My point is that Bushmaster like everyone else said is still around for a reason. I for one can speak for their durability because of the product I own.
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the weights that are moving around do make noise on the buffer, spikes tactical sells one that does not have the weights i have one i like it very much, st-t3 i beilve is the one i have or the st-t2 id have to open her up to find out. if its stock call spikes and thell tell you the one to get mine isnot
the weights that are moving around do make noise on the buffer, spikes tactical sells one that does not have the weights i have one i like it very much, st-t3 i beilve is the one i have or the st-t2 id have to open her up to find out. if its stock call spikes and thell tell you the one to get mine isnot
