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Thanks for the heads up. I have never heard of that podcast. I don't have TV so i listen to a shit ton of podcast and always looking for a new oneIf you guys want George's opinion on the new steel, you should listen to his interview on the Precision Rifle Media podcast. He talks about his relationship with Bartlein and their new steel.
Cheap and easy desicion. $355+$200+$350 for say 4000 rounds vs $355+$350 +$355 +350 for 4000 rounds.Heres how I look at it. We all have a favorite smith and they are not gods. I say given Frank Greens record, I have no doubts he is telling us what the tests have proven. Its a $200.00 upcharge to make the switch. I will do it, and if it pans out great, if not, I'll go bad to 416 on my next barrel.
Are these 400ModBB barrels available with 5r rifling?
Yes. In general Bartlein will do whatever rifling you want if you pay them enough. I just ordered a 1:8.5-1:7.5 LHGT for 6.5 Creedmoor in this material; I’m super excited to not need another barrel for a few years.
Are these 400ModBB barrels available with 5r rifling?
Yeah, $200 over a standard Bartlein Carbon. However, with the MOD400BB, it's $450 more than a Proof Carbon. I assume Bartlein is considered more a premium barrel maker too (over Proof)?Give it a shot only $200 increase.
How much are you paying for proof carbon blanks, because I don’t see how a Bartlein is $450 more? The Bartlein and proof carbons are pretty close to one another, and the Hanzo steel is $200 extra.Yeah, $200 over a standard Bartlein Carbon. However, with the MOD400BB, it's $450 more than a Proof Carbon. I assume Bartlein is considered more a premium barrel maker too?
Also curious if the MOD400BB is heavier than the traditional steel material.
Weight difference for same contour is going to be practically negligible. Difference between 4140 and 416 is 0.002-0.004 lbs per cubic inch with 416 being less. Mod is a modified 400 series stainless.Yeah, $200 over a standard Bartlein Carbon. However, with the MOD400BB, it's $450 more than a Proof Carbon. I assume Bartlein is considered more a premium barrel maker too?
Also curious if the MOD400BB is heavier than the traditional steel material.
I'm comparing the pre-fit option prices at various gunsmiths.How much are you paying for proof carbon blanks, because I don’t see how a Bartlein is $450 more? The Bartlein and proof carbons are pretty close to one another, and the Hanzo steel is $200 extra.
$799 is a pretty dang good price for the proof.I'm comparing the pre-fit option prices at various gunsmiths.
$799 for a Proof Carbon Prefit
$1025 for a Bartlein Carbon Prefit
$1250 for a Bartlein Carbon MOD400BB Prefit
Consider you're getting at least an extra half to full barrel out of the modbb barrel.I'm comparing the pre-fit option prices at various gunsmiths.
$799 for a Proof Carbon Prefit
$1025 for a Bartlein Carbon Prefit
$1250 for a Bartlein Carbon MOD400BB Prefit
Absolutely, which is why I am curious on peoples round count experience with the MOD400BB. If the consensus is 2x+ barrel life, than the $450 premium is well worth it.$799 is a pretty dang good price for the proof.
Who's doing Carbon Proof prefits for 799?Consider you're getting at least an extra half to full barrel out of the modbb barrel.
Yes just in anything else we do.Are these 400ModBB barrels available with 5r rifling?
Also the general consensus is the new material is cleaning easier/fouling less. If it's fouling less it should clean easier. That's something we couldn't have planned for and is a bonus/by product.
That doesn't mean you don't have to clean the rifles!!!!!! You still need to clean them!!!!
Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
What? Like with a cloth or something?Also the general consensus is the new material is cleaning easier/fouling less. If it's fouling less it should clean easier. That's something we couldn't have planned for and is a bonus/by product.
That doesn't mean you don't have to clean the rifles!!!!!! You still need to clean them!!!!
Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
Cheaper than the cheapest I've seen.Who's doing Carbon Proof prefits for 799?
Who's doing Carbon Proof prefits for 799?
I didn't want to hijack this thread but the carbon pre-fits that Proof Research puts out are $799-$829 depending on what distributor you're buying from.Cheaper than the cheapest I've seen.
yes in very specific contour/length/chamberI didn't want to hijack this thread but the carbon pre-fits that Proof Research puts out are $799-$829 depending on what distributor you're buying from.
Your point being what exactly? I'll be happy to buy a very specific contour/length/chamber prefit Bartlein Carbon for $799.yes in very specific contour/length/chamber
then the proof works for you. not everyone wants exactly what the proof prefits come in compared to custom freebore or different cartridges/length/contourYour point being what exactly? I'll be happy to buy a very specific contour/length/chamber prefit Bartlein Carbon for $799.
I am looking for a carbon wrapped 22" sendero in 6.5 creedmoor and Proof offers it for $799. & Straightjacket offers that same very specific contour/length/chamber for $1025/$1250 depending on MOD400BB or not. Which brings into question my original post... has anyone shot out a MOD400BB to provide feedback on the round count. As it stands, the MOD400BB is a 50%+ premium over a Proof. If the concenus is 2x+ round count, then I'm going MOD400BB.
I sent an email to the shop late last week asking this exact same question, and have not heard back yet...Frank,
What's the lead time on the old and new barrels?
I can tell both of you because I just ordered one....5-6 months.I sent an email to the shop late last week asking this exact same question, and have not heard back yet...
Please don't interpret that as a jab. I am trying to avoid tying up their phone line.
To your first thought....I'll say more damage is done from improper cleaning then from physically shooting the gun/barrel....that being said....you have to maintain the system or you will at some point end up with problems because you didn't clean the barrel.You’re clearly just saying that because people scraping barrels from poor cleaning lets you sell more barrels It’s not like you’re operating at insane capacity and lead times are going up or anything.
Real talk that’s super interesting. Does it cut cleaner or something?
I can tell both of you because I just ordered one....5-6 months.
Frank,
What's the lead time on the old and new barrels?
To your first thought....I'll say more damage is done from improper cleaning then from physically shooting the gun/barrel....that being said....you have to maintain the system or you will at some point end up with problems because you didn't clean the barrel.
To your question....it does machine differently. We can tell it's different but nothing that is effecting tooling in a negative way etc...still run your same speeds and feeds like you normally do.
Later, Frank
I just ordered another mill run of the Bartlein 400modBB material. I was told 5-6 months for that.
I believe it. I’m not complaining. It is what it is.The phones and emails are off the chart! I do ask everyone to be patient the best you can.
About a week ago....the guys in the office with me started laughing. I asked what was so funny? This was around 4pm. They said the phone hasn't ringed for the last 20 minutes! I said so? They said prior to that they we're timing the phone and the phone was ringing every 3 minutes! No BS!
I didn't want to hijack this thread but the carbon pre-fits that Proof Research puts out are $799-$829 depending on what distributor you're buying from.
Phone calls are quick and can answer any question in minutes. Took 5 to get a custom order in.I sent an email to the shop late last week asking this exact same question, and have not heard back yet...
Please don't interpret that as a jab. I am trying to avoid tying up their phone line.
Well, I figured that I'd keep the phone open for people who were actually ready to order.Phone calls are quick and can answer any question in minutes. Took 5 to get a custom order in.
No not waiting for the mill run. We have material in stock but we always need to be ahead of the game per say. Don’t ever want to run out of material. It’s the one thing we don’t make. So no material.....no barrels! So I’m/we are always trying to forecast orders/demand. Our steel orders/schedule needs to be out in front of whatever we think is coming in for orders. So if it normally takes us 4 to 5 months to get steel from the mill I’ve already have 6 months or more in house or already on the way. I look at current orders and what we’ve done in the past in order to order steel.I
For clarity’s sake, do you have 400MODBB for barrels that were ordered last week (with the mill run being anticipated demand), or are those waiting on the mill run?
Also if you wanted to do a run of 400MODBB in 6.5 caliber in left hand gain twists next week that would be wonderful =D
The 20mm is private stuff. No military stuff. I've quoted 20mm ammunition test barrels in the past a couple of times but for what they want for the barrel we have to make a bigger/longer rifling machine and to do like 10pcs every 10 years....not worth it unless someone is willing to put down some serious money. The longest 20mm barrels we've done have been around 53" long finished. We made a run of new made 20mm Lahti barrels for a guy I know that was rebuilding/reactivating a bunch of Lahti anti tank guns in the past. That was the first time we made 20mm barrels. I'll tell you this....the bore finish on those 20mm's was as nice as any other barrel we made and we held them to our standard min spec. tolerances instead of the usual +.002" tolerance on the bore and grooves on those.That's very interesting inside info on Production.
Im guessing military, but what is using 20mm barrels ?