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ohYou should enter some local benchrest competitions. You'd basically win everything, every time.
I bought 4 mags ($114) from these guys about a month ago but I just checked, they’re out of stock again. But so they were the last time I searched for them, just subscribed to receive a notification when back in stock and got the mags about 2 weeks after. http://store.22three.com/I guess I'll have to buy one from Bergara. $37.99 + $9.99 shipping. Either than or buy three for $113.97.
The correct mag part number for the B 14R is BA0016. The above mag is the wrong part number, and mag.I found a good deal on Ebay. I bought four 10 round BXR mags for my B-14R for $114.04. Bergara website has them in stock now but they are $37.99 each and they kill you on shipping unless you buy 3 or more. On the Bergara site, you buy 3 you get free shipping but it will still cost you $113.97 and that's for 3. I also had to pay some sales tax because the seller is in SC.
They have 6 left.
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Great shooting! Would you happen to know were your wolf ammo was manufactured?Well, compared post #163 above, I think I’ll end up going with Wolf Match Target Extra.
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Great shooting! Would you happen to know were your wolf ammo was manufactured?
Don’t know if this is true but I’m reading in was made by SK in Germany and is made by Eley in GB now?
From your shooting so far ? Is the VuDoo any better grouping than the BergaraThanks for the information. I knew there had to be someone else offering those for sale at a cheaper price. Just got on the notification list.
I have no idea. I don't have the Vudoo and never even handled one. As for the B-14R, to me, the quality, fit, finish, accuracy, reliability at any price point is fantastic IMO. I do believe if the B-14R was offered for sale at say $2500 people would be more apt to say better things about rather than something like, "well if you can't afford a ????? then you can always get a B-14R" or "get the B-14R and as you get better you can grow into ?????". People automatically rate something as subpar just based on price alone. I am not saying the B-14R is the best, just that people assume something is better if it cost more. Regardless of any of that, it really is a joy to shoot and is not picky on ammo. Mine shoots a lot of different ammo accurately. I don't ever see myself getting rid of the B-14R.From your shooting so far ? Is the VuDoo any better grouping than the Bergara
Everything shot this day was with the action screws on 20 inlbs.
I haven't purchased a box of wolf for some time. Wolf, and SK, were both produced by lapua when I last checked. Obviously it's possible for things to change when manufacturers are simply re-branding someone else's product. However I find it difficult to believe that lapua and eley are made on the same machine in the same factory. They are wildly dissimilar in every aspect of their construction.The 5K carton I got read Eley on it. It's out in the shop. I'll snap a pic tomorrow/
I was told by my rep that Lapua, SK, Wolf and Eley are all made in Germany, on the same exact machines, in the same exact plant. Just different runs. He said that, the 1st run of, say Wolf (rimfire) results in "Match Target." The 2nd run results in "Match Target Extra." Same goes for 1st of Lapua is Center X and 2nd is Midas +.
I haven't purchased a box of wolf for some time. Wolf, and SK, were both produced by lapua when I last checked. Obviously it's possible for things to change when manufacturers are simply re-branding someone else's product. However I find it difficult to believe that lapua and eley are made on the same machine in the same factory. They are wildly dissimilar in every aspect of their construction.
Lapua, and all its rebrands exhibit slick and oily lube and have a crosshair headstamp. Eley and most of its rebrands are very much more waxy and have an E headstamp. Not as waxy as RWS, but waxy indeed. The bullet shapes are also significantly different. They smell different when fired, which means they have different powder and in all likelihood, different priming compound.
If wolf/sk have switched to eley, well obviously those will come from the same place... but lapua? I can't see how that is true. Lapua has a documented history of making their own ammo. I've never seen a lapua 22lr product that didn't have the signature bullet shapes, oily lube, and crosshair headstamp. If eley is now producing lapua's ammo, I'll need some significant proof of this. Since nammo group is buying up everything in the world, I guess it's not hard to speculate that perhaps they have purchased eley. ... but if they did, you'd think that information would have got out, and since lapua is a competitor of eley, which they already own... it's difficult to imagine this happening.
Wolf used to be made on the same equipment as SK, Wolf is now made by Eley. That is the only change.
Right, and since SK was reboxed lapua, that makes sense if SK/wolf jumped ship from lapua over to eley. (which was a mistake in my opinion)
...however, the poster A&8's stated sk/wolf/lapua/eley all from the same machine. To which I basically have said "no way." Lapua and eley are two separate factories.
Sounds like "your rep" should check his sources. SK/wolf have always been rebranded lapua. If they switched to rebranding eley instead, well then obviously eley is doing the manufacturing and will share all of the features. Eley and lapua are NOT in the same facility unless something massive has changed.Well, like I said, I'm going by my rep's voice. I, obviously, haven't been to the plant in Germany. I will snap a pic of the carton when I get to the shop tonight. I'm 100% sure there was an Eley stick on the carton of Wolf ME I just purchased.
Sounds like "your rep" should check his sources. SK/wolf have always been rebranded lapua. If they switched to rebranding eley instead, well then obviously eley is doing the manufacturing and will share all of the features. Eley and lapua are NOT in the same facility unless something massive has changed.
The real question is if eley is now making all sk/wolf... then what tier of ammo are they pulling from? Eley club? Eley target? When it was lapua doing SK/wolf... match extra was lapua center x that didn't make the cut, and wolf match target was wolf match extra that didn't make the cut. So what tier are they pulling from for the sk/wolf branded eley ammo?
The quotation marks were implying disdain toward a sales rep happily providing misinformation. What's his name? Where does he work? I'll call him myself and ask his source.I guess I'm unsure what your Quotation marks were implying. I can only say what I was told. I see you're a commercial supporter. Use your juice and make the call. Then we'll all know.
Well, I'd have to say yes since I couldn't get the Elf trigger to work. This is only for my Bergara as the Elf may work in other R700 platform rifles.Was the Bix & Andy better than the Elf trigger
Yes, I tried the factory setting "whatever that would have been" and I have tried 20 to 50 in 10 in/lb increments. 20 and 40 performed the best.Have you tried going above the suggested 55"lbs? I found mine likes 60"lbs the best. I started out with 15"lbs, then shot 3 shot groups increasing by 5"lbs. At 65"lbs my groups opened drastically.
That's a shitton of rounds in the past few months...Yes, I tried the factory setting "whatever that would have been" and I have tried 20 to 50 in 10 in/lb increments. 20 and 40 performed the best.
After comparing 4,250 shots "recorded on paper" out of the B-14R with various ammo, suppressed, unsuppressed, and various torque settings on the receiver screws, it appears that 40 in/lb on the receiver screws, shot unsuppressed is the most accurate setup.
I'm no authority on the Wolf mfg questions at-hand.
The link below does at least suggest there was a change in the bottom narrative (and also in photo):
22LR Ammo Wolf Performance 40gr Match Target 5000 Round Case
Buy 22LR Ammo 40gr Wolf Performance Match Target online! In stock 22 LR Wolf Match Target ammunition.ammunitionstore.com
I was looking to try out some wolf recently, so I've been reading with interest.
was it that it wouldn't work or would not fit into your gun- I looked back in your post and I was under the impression you had another one ( ELF) coming to fit into the bergara better?Well, I'd have to say yes since I couldn't get the Elf trigger to work. This is only for my Bergara as the Elf may work in other R700 platform rifles.
LOL you got that right, and that is what's been documented on paper. I have shot a lot more through the B-14R but I don't know exactly how much.That's a shitton of rounds in the past few months...
The first one wouldn't fit in the trigger guard so I wasn't able to shoot with it. Since I couldn't get it in I just took it out without messing with the pull or anything else.was it that it wouldn't work or would not fit into your gun- I looked back in your post and I was under the impression you had another one ( ELF) coming to fit into the bergara better?
I wouldn't consider that so much a mystery. The mystery is the claim that lapua and eley come from the same place and the same machines.And there we have it. The mystery answered.
I wouldn't consider that so much a mystery. The mystery is the claim that lapua and eley come from the same place and the same machines.
I'd also love to know the tier of eley that sk/wolf represents.
Well that's pretty unsurprising, considering that sk was purchased by lapua.I could be wrong, but I think SK is still a Lapua product, while Wolf moved switched to being produced by Eley. All of the SK I've seen recently has been a Lapua product.
I'm attaching a pic of 2 consecutive 5 shot groups I shot with my B 14R Sunday. Wind was shifting left right with light changes due to clouds and an occasional head wind.
I was shooting at 100 yds under 24X, bipod and rear bag off a wooden bench. Basically just getting a "know" 100 yd zero. Conditions settled down a bit after the sun moved over the mountain, and this is when these 2 groups came to pass. I really wish I could have shot all 5 shots in the same conditions, missed one in each group, but it is what it is.
If I overlay the two targets, 8 out of 10 shots (consecutive shots) went into .238". The one left in the first group (shot 1) and the one right in the second group (shot 5) would have made the overall look really bad, so I'm glad I shot 2 separate groups.
Still a shame I didn't see the shift for those groups.
This rifle is a shooter!
I'm shooting the action screws at 40 in/lbs (as came from the factory), haven't tried any other torque settings.
When conditions allow I'm looking forward to shooting some higher quality ammo.
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I have 3 different lots of CCI SV, all cases. The lot used to shoot the above groups chronos 1097fps with ES 23fps. The two other lots chrono 1122fps ES 18, and 1093fps ES 22fps. Lots are from April, May and September 2019.