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Bergara sucks ass, buyer beware.
- Thread starter redneckbmxer24
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surprised redneck is getting so much flack. imo, he is very legit, been on here super long time. bought some stuff from him years ago, good transactions. he even helped me, via some phone calls, years ago with my first build. very knowledgable.
i recently had a little problem with a criterion barrel and criterion treated me great! excellent customer service.
also had a problem, 4 ish years ago, with a GAP built 6.5 saum with a bartlein barrel. frank at bartlein was sooooooo awesome. he put a new barrel on and it shoots great!
i recently had a little problem with a criterion barrel and criterion treated me great! excellent customer service.
also had a problem, 4 ish years ago, with a GAP built 6.5 saum with a bartlein barrel. frank at bartlein was sooooooo awesome. he put a new barrel on and it shoots great!
It started out that way and has only gotten worse.
In bmxboy's defense, I bought a m9 bayonet from him. The coms were good and shipping fast.
I, too, was taken aback by the vitriol lobbed at him. I do understand his point. Even if he was to sell it, he needs it fixed right and any company should stand behind its product, regardless of cost.
I have never bedded rails but maybe it has worked for him on other rifles and situations. And I have had a cheap rifle perform well with many rounds, mostly because I moved it from the problematic polymer stock to a chassis. And that was before I put a break on it.
But I see other points, too. If the experience has been this bad, time to move on.
Possibly he liked that model because of the features. Reminds me of Jim at Backfire and his singular experience with the Mossberg Patriot .308 in walnut stock. Pretty gun, great trigger. But he was getting 4 and 5 inch groups at 100 yards and there was him, his show partner, and the photographer all taking turns. They got a replacement from Mossberg that shot better, a bit more than 1 MOA but far better than before. That being said, he never bought another Mossberg and spits on them, to this day.
I have seen plenty of other people shooting the Patriot and Patriot Predator just fine in the polymer stock. Same with Bergara.
But sometimes, you just get a dud.
I am not judging either side and I have seen both sides deliver heated invectives.
To paraphrase the late Rodney King, "Can't well just get a bong?"
Spent the morning shooting my 22-250 Bergara Stoke. Shot well, no issues, no weeping faggotry. That is all, Gentlemen.
I like my savage okay….there I said it.
it needs a different barrel though I have more 308s than I need
it needs a different barrel though I have more 308s than I need
Can you post a picture of the PE girlfriend? And one of the rifle of course.
Yep. Tikka>BegaraCannot be. EVERYBODY says Bergara is as good as Tikka.
If it's gotta be a factory rifle, buy a Tikka. Except IF you do have issues w/ the Tikka, you're fucked. Good thing is that most people don't have issues w/ Tikkas.
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I thought you were just on this forum to pickup up other Savage owning Manbun 6.5 Creedmoor dudes for your Friday night gay fests. This is why you "like" wink wink Savage. You gay Savage Manbun 6.5 Creedmoor dudes spot each other a mile away, like how back in the 80's you wore the earing in the right ear
You actually shoot?
How dare you, I do NOT own a 6.5.I thought you were just on this forum to pickup up other Savage owning Manbun 6.5 Creedmoor dudes for your Friday night gay fests. This is why you "like" wink wink Savage. You gay Savage Manbun 6.5 Creedmoor dudes spot each other a mile away, like how back in the 80's you wore the earing in the right ear
You actually shoot?
Well I do own a 6.5 (better than any dress wearing owner of a .3oh my GOD it can’t hit a thing past 125 yards 8)Creedmoor. I have also owned at least three Savages in my life, including a 99 in .250-3000 that I still kick myself for selling, back when they were common as fleas and almost as inexpensive.I thought you were just on this forum to pickup up other Savage owning Manbun 6.5 Creedmoor dudes for your Friday night gay fests. This is why you "like" wink wink Savage. You gay Savage Manbun 6.5 Creedmoor dudes spot each other a mile away, like how back in the 80's you wore the earing in the right ear
You actually shoot?
In my opinion, those 6.5 Creedmoor haters are so vocal because they are trying to compensate for a male appendage that is so small it has to be measured with an Electron Microscope, that would be if they could find it because its so small
So there and I don’t wear a man bun! But I’ve broke more horses, drunk more beer, wrestled more cows, killed more deer, and fought more Viet Cong than all you Creedmoor haters combined.
Well actually I did, but only for my own use. Laid a few slabs, nothing pretty but they worked just fine. As far as I know, at least one is still there, even thought the barn and horse breaking pen are long gone.
Now for the rest of the story. Brenda and I purchased a briar patch with a sorta house and an all but useless barn on 3 acres for $3250.00 in December 1973. After several years work, buying more land and continuing to improve it down through the years, we made it a pretty decent place. Nothing to brag about but nothing to be terribly ashamed of either (except for my barn, which was really bad, but it worked and the horses we stabled in it and trained won a dump truck load of trophy’s and ribbons)
Creosote boards and posts, square and round were quite common back then, lasted quite a while, were a decent color, did not have to be painted and generally were good material to build rail fences. I fenced in the home, made a breaking pen, generally put the stuff everywhere. However, I needed a wash rack and putting one in the barn was not going to work. So, I put one off of the breaking pen. poured my own concrete pad, fenced it in but used crossties instead of creosoted 4x4’s.
Got nice siding on the house, got the inside fixed up, insulated, put in a good wood stove, got nice shrubs planted around the house, cleaned up all the underbrush, fenced it in with the above mentioned 4x4’s and 1x6 rail fences. Looked pretty nice.
But alas, we came to the realization that our son‘s asthma would not tolerate being on a horse farm, and we were losing something north of $500.00 a month each month, after our customers (what few they were) paid us. Since our income was simply not that good especially considering what we were paid in the late 1980’s/early 1990’s, it was time to move on in our life.
So, we sold the farm and built a little cottage on a lake.
. Subsequent owners treated it like it originally was, a shack. Brenda and I visited it about 10 years ago. Living therewas the 4th or 5th owner of it since we sold it in 1992. Seeing the condition of the place, Brenda said, she never ever even wanted to ride down Highway 151 again, much less go back to visit our old homeplace.
Finally, been on the lake for 30 years now, not gonna leave, even though it’s right at 100 miles from Howard Prince Memorial range, the best range in North Louisiana.
Oh, I‘ve done a bit more concrete since then, but nothing to brag about, that is for sure.
Now, I’m gonna call it a night, before I really make someone mad with my stupid humor.
Nah, too expensive, got me a couple old coke bottles, cut the bottom out of em, used some duck tape to stick the bottoms to each end of a Jax Beer can, then duck taped it to the top of the gun. Good for 1200 yards.
If you haven’t drunk Jax beer you don’t know what REAL BEER TASTE IS!
I used schlitz bottles, if you leave the duct tape loose, you can twist the front bottle to focus better. I made my crosshair with a blonde cunt hair. The red was too thick.
The only thing I can think of is to ensure the barrel is torqued up.
When you say it tightens up when it gets hot, that makes me think the barrel threads could be under torqued & is tightening up when it swells with heat.
That's a you problem not an industry problem.
You're the kind of customer everyone wishes would just go away.
I had a guy in my shop fretting over stock inlet work we did for him. He was so angry he was shaking as I was asking him to point out his concern. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the inlet, as he insisted he was very ocd and couldn’t handle it. Ended up buying his stock and asking him to find another smith. I thought he was about to go ballistic. The whole thing was very bazaar
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You must not buy a lot of stuff or build a lot of stuff.
All I ask for is something to be as advertised. I got a whole folder full of return stuff, Complete pistols high polished nickel finish showing up looking blasted cause they missed the polishing step, they fixed it. BCG's machined with all the burrs left on them, they forgot a step. Barrels showing up with huge dents in them, chambers not even machined right and dont even work, handguards that look like they were skidded across the floor, to guitars and multi thousand dollar Gibsons with machine marks in the fretboards and the inlays lifting up... QC is just shit everywhere, car, truck parts, its not just the gun industry its factory workers everywhere in every field. Look at Boeing... lol.. its even hit them. If you deal enough with stuff you see it. Very few craftsmen out there anymore either, they are all retiring and the new generation cant do shit if there isnt an app for it.
AND ive been told by several people that manufacturers cant find good help, all they can find is warm bodies to fill production roles, people with no pride, no commitment, just do the minimum to get a paycheck and dont give a damn about anything else.... its the new American way.. Since covid no one wants to work, or thinks they deserve something rather than have to work for it.
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Keep proving me right. You're the customer that every business loves to see go away.
I jumped on the man-bun thing because I thought it was funny. Oft maligned is my favorite cartridge, the .308. It's a workhorse at most common distances. If you are a hunter in the southeast, you are lucky to range a shot on a deer at 250 yards. Will be closer than that.
But I do agree that the 6.5 CM can be good for longer distance plinking. A short action round that has nominally easier time in the wind.
deermeatfordinner (Rob Arrington) got a moose in Canada with members of the Cree Nation with a his Howa 1500 in 6.5 Creedmoor with Hornady 143 gr ELD-X. Within .308 range, it was just as effective. I cannot tell if he shot the beast twice or just missed on the first shot.
Go to timestamp 03:20 to see the action.
Personally, I would have hunted with no less than .308 and these days, my 7 PRC.
As for the efficacy of the .30 Win, oopsy daisy, how did this wind up here?
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Actually in North Louisiana we have open fields and pipelines that give shots well past 500 yards. But I won’t shoot them at that distance. it’s a personal thing. Spent too many days and nights tracking deer that others shot “at.”
Funny thing, while I have missed two deer that we spent too much time following up and basically never discovered evidence that they were shot, but the further east and hardest tracking job I ever had on one of my deer was a doe that I shot in the middle of a herd at 30 yards. Shot her too far back plus the bullet just did not do its job. Closest shot I ever took on a deer. Herd took off, tracks everywhere and no blood. We found her with a drone used by a friendly logger.
I see OP is banned again. Will we see the conclusion of the thread or is he banished for good?
I’ve had a few people message me asking the outcome of this so I figured I’d update it.
Bergaras service department manager stepped in and offered to refund the rifle after I told them I would be sueing them. Something I asked for previously and they denied and flat out said is something they don’t do, but in conversation with the manager they do seemingly somewhat common. This could all have been avoided had they just agreed to that from the start or rebarreled the thing as I also asked and would have cost them less money. It’s very unfortunate that you have to light a fire under a companys ass and prepare to take legal action for them to make it right.
Bergaras service department manager stepped in and offered to refund the rifle after I told them I would be sueing them. Something I asked for previously and they denied and flat out said is something they don’t do, but in conversation with the manager they do seemingly somewhat common. This could all have been avoided had they just agreed to that from the start or rebarreled the thing as I also asked and would have cost them less money. It’s very unfortunate that you have to light a fire under a companys ass and prepare to take legal action for them to make it right.
Yeah, but you gotta get to the person with authority to do the needful. Put up enough road blocks and most customers will say “sucks, but okay,” some will say “f you and your policy.” But, there’s almost always someone in the chain that will say “yeah, we can do that.”
You can’t tell me that the peons answering the phones don’t know that in some cases they cut checks for refunds. Even assuming they didn’t know they shouldn’t make a statement like that if they don’t know, a statement which was clearly wrong. When it got to this point they should have automatically escalated it up the chain of command.
I’m sure they do know. But, this is where the ol’ honey vs vinegar saying comes into play. It’s a “chain of command,” not a web of command.
Sometimes life gets better when you fire a customer…
Oh boy another probably hacked old account with very few posts necromancing a dead thread.
I am not exactly thrilled when a private with 54 messages starts accusing a long time member with almost 11,000 messages a troll.
Thrilled or not, can this thread die?
Maybe we could start a thread on all the Biden/Harris trolls with 5-10 year old accounts that have 4 posts, suddenly popping up here.
I'd kind of like a thread comparing the many, many 100% identical posts on the hide and also popping up on arfcom or gunboards or wherever at the exact same time. At some point, people should pick one place to post their sniveling and stop polluting the entire internet with their drama or stupidity.
Maybe we could start a thread on all the Biden/Harris trolls with 5-10 year old accounts that have 4 posts, suddenly popping up here.
I'd kind of like a thread comparing the many, many 100% identical posts on the hide and also popping up on arfcom or gunboards or wherever at the exact same time. At some point, people should pick one place to post their sniveling and stop polluting the entire internet with their drama or stupidity.
At least it wasn’t a terminus. I had the same issues but not as bad. Changed. EVERYTHING to try and isolate problem.
Eventually one of my barrel cutters swapped the bolt and it shoots almost as well as it should.
Eventually one of my barrel cutters swapped the bolt and it shoots almost as well as it should.
I mean, to be fair I do troll SOME folks.
1000% not a fudd. I’m not even a fan of 1911s.
Blasphemer!!
The 1911 is the perfect pistol! Given to us by God, thru the hands of His prophet, John Moses Browning!
Okay fuddBlasphemer!!
The 1911 is the perfect pistol! Given to us by God, thru the hands of His prophet, John Moses Browning!
That’s why everyone runs 2011s, because the 1911 is “perfect”
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