The reading comprehension here is low. I’ve owned 3 Bergaras now, not 4. I’m not sure where you guys are getting that but apparently some of you can’t read well.
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SubscribeThe reading comprehension here is low. I’ve owned 3 Bergaras now, not 4. I’m not sure where you guys are getting that but apparently some of you can’t read well.
I did. What did you do in the original post that mimics firelapping? Breaking a barrel in? You think that’s what firelapping does?
I’m very aware of what fire lapping does, I’m also very aware that putting lapping compound on a bullet and sending it down the barrel isn’t going to turn a 4MOA gun into a sub MOA gun. That’s not how it works. I’m also aware that most manufacturers will void your warranty for shooting bullets and remove material through the barrel.
I followed their barrel break in and then some. I’ve fired over 150 rounds through the barrel at this point.
Turn your brain on and analyze the fact that the barrel super hot shoots well and when it’s cool is does not. That should tell anyone with a clue all they need to know.
The basic scientific method.Maybe I am off here, but have you tried putting the rifle in a sled to remove as many variables as possible? That would help prove the problem or may point to other issues that exist that are outside of the rifle.
What I am not suggesting is that you suck, so don’t go there. What I am saying is that controlling variables allows you to figure out where is problem lies.
Maybe I am off here, but have you tried putting the rifle in a sled to remove as many variables as possible? That would help prove the problem or may point to other issues that exist that are outside of the rifle.
What I am not suggesting is that you suck, so don’t go there. What I am saying is that controlling variables allows you to figure out where is problem lies.
I’m not looking for better or worse. That simply is not a concern. I’m looking at consistency in holding variables steady. If you are not doing that the results cannot be taken away from you or your setup such as cheek weld, parallax, etc.Sleds usually make rifles shoot worse not better. I was shooting off of sandbags and shots were breaking clean. Also like I said in my original post I had absolutely no problem shooting my much lighter Seekins Element 7PRC on the same day off the same bags. Dry firing with both before shooting strings the Bergara was more solid on the bags but shot the worst. I don’t believe the bench setup has anything to do with the rifle shooting so poorly.
I’m not looking for better or worse. That simply is not a concern. I’m looking at consistency in holding variables steady. If you are not doing that the results cannot be taken away from you or your setup such as cheek weld, parallax, you, etc.
I would think, a rifle that won't shoot under 4 minutes, the issue would be obvious to someone that has shot thousands of rds and owned a shit load of guns? To be that far off, something is bad wrong and it should be easy to spot with a Mk 1 eyeball I would think. Have you shot any flat base bullets? If not shoot a few bullets into water and inspect the bearing surface and base then the same with BT's and look at the transition from the bearing to tail closely.I’ve owned a shit load of rifles, shot hundreds of thousands of rounds. I have a pretty good idea when something isn’t right with the setup.
I would think, a rifle that won't shoot under 4 minutes, the issue would be obvious to someone that has shot thousands of rds and owned a shit load of guns? To be that far off, something is bad wrong and it should be easy to spot with a Mk 1 eyeball I would think. Have you shot any flat base bullets? If not shoot a few bullets into water and inspect the bearing surface and base then the same with BT's and look at the transition from the bearing to tail closely.
You act like you know it all , so why can't you find the problem ?I’m very aware of what fire lapping does, I’m also very aware that putting lapping compound on a bullet and sending it down the barrel isn’t going to turn a 4MOA gun into a sub MOA gun. That’s not how it works. I’m also aware that most manufacturers will void your warranty for shooting bullets and remove material through the barrel.
I followed their barrel break in and then some. I’ve fired over 150 rounds through the barrel at this point.
Turn your brain on and analyze the fact that the barrel super hot shoots well and when it’s cool is does not. That should tell anyone with a clue all they need to know.
You want us to find someone to come by, and see WTF is going on?I’m not going to shoot flat based bullets because there’s no factory 7PRC ammo with them. I bought this rifle to shoot factory ammo and it’s guaranteed to shoot 1MOA with factory ammo so that is my expectation.
The issue is that the build quality is pure shit, the accuracy has gotten better since they recrowned it and it’s shooting 1.5-2MOA average now. The only thing that shot worse than that after I got it back is the Federap terminal ascent that I spent $80 to get a box of because that’s what they told me it’s guaranteed to shoot with and that shot the worst.
I’ll once again point you to the picture of the excellent bolt lug contact on this thing.
I figured the barrel would look like a sewer pipe but surprisingly the bore looks good. The first thing I did after the first range sessions was scrub the shit out of the barrel with eliminator and run the borescope through it and I was surprised by what I saw. With the horrendous copper fouling I excepted to see terrible machining in the rifling but it actually looks very good.
Bergara's state of the art barrel manufacturing process. Might explain your problems with accuracy
You want us to find someone to come by, and see WTF is going on?
You might want to rethink that, but its your rodeo.get the issues in writing from a third party and then it will go before a judge.
$2000 rifle is gonna be a waste of time in court…. Lawyer fees alone will be way more than that… and good luck getting them to cover attorney fees…. Sell it or re barrel that bitch and go on… no offense meant to OP at all, but that’s gonna be a huge waste of your time and money.You might want to rethink that, but its your rodeo.
Don’t do thatIt’s going to a gunsmith for inspection and to get the issues in writing from a third party and then it will go before a judge.
This post wasn’t asking for help figuring it out, I’ve figured out that it has some machining issues and likely a barrel stress issue. This thread is only to make others aware of the garbage Bergara puts out and letting them decide if they want to roll the dice
Don’t do that
You’re already wasting time and putting yourself further behind in $. List it for sale. Include whatever Bergara included saying it would shoot good. Tell the new owner you must just suck at shooting. Cut your losses and move on. Preferably to something not made by Bergara
Just my $.02
I think we’ll all have to remember to not buy anything off you. Everything you buy is shit.I’ll remember to never buy anything from you. That’s a shitty zero integrity move to pass on a rifle to someone that you believe to be a dud.
Bergara's state of the art barrel manufacturing process. Might explain your problems with accuracy
I’m as honest as it gets on here. I think any member who’s ever dealt with me would tell you that. As would my feedbackI’ll remember to never buy anything from you. That’s a shitty zero integrity move to pass on a rifle to someone that you believe to be a dud.
Here I think in small claims you're still GTG up to $3,500.00, but if you lose it could cost you way more than that, in a counter suit. Proving it won't shoot would be interesting no matter what smith says what, vs the factory lawyers & their crew. Lawyer'ing up over a factory gun, is a no win anyway you slice it. The time and aggravation alone would stop most folks. Plus once the Factory is served, like it or not they will go for broke.$2000 rifle is gonna be a waste of time in court…. Lawyer fees alone will be way more than that… and good luck getting them to cover attorney fees…. Sell it or re barrel that bitch and go on… no offense meant to OP at all, but that’s gonna be a huge waste of your time and money.
LOL, then in a few years he can pull it out of the safe and sell it as the one that just sits in the safe.Put it in the safe and go buy something that shoots
I think we’ll all have to remember to not buy anything off you. Everything you buy is shit.
The scope base isn’t loose. It was bedded because the front of the receiver was out of spec and had to be built up. It was bedded for straightness (Seekins rail), and also epoxied onto the receiver after curing with JB so theres no way in hell it’s coming loose. I’ve shot epoxied bases without screws to test strength and it made no difference.
Bergara screwed his wife and he's still pissed and making it personal.
I agree with you, and being a senior as well as a poor, sometimes its a bitch. I've busted up a couple things rather than sell a POS.Because I have morals and won’t pawn a piece of crap off on someone else? LOL
I must have struck a nerve in the douche bags that think that’s acceptable behavior.
According to the manufacturer, the rifle is good to go. I don't see the moral dilemma with selling it.Because I have morals and won’t pawn a piece of crap off on someone else? LOL
I must have struck a nerve in the douche bags that think that’s acceptable behavior.
And the truth comes out. Not willing to sell it on moral grounds, but maybe willing to sell it but not for a loss. But not willing to keep it and live with a total loss so spend money and time to push on the manufacturer. Dude you are all over the map.So I should lose more money practically giving this thing away at a price somebody will actually buy the piece of crap because it doesn’t meet the guarantee?
How about FUCK NO!
And the truth comes out. Not willing to sell it on moral grounds, but maybe willing to sell it but not for a loss. But not willing to keep it and live with a total loss so spend money and time to push on the manufacturer. Dude you are all over the map.
The Thread title should be changed to “I hate Bergara and I need you to hate them too”.
Well, perhaps you could consider the loss as your penance for being dumb enough to buy yet another Bergara when you really knew better deep down inside? Just trying to help you out of your moral dilemma .So I should lose more money practically giving this thing away at a price somebody will actually buy the piece of crap because it doesn’t meet the guarantee?
How about FUCK NO!
Word.And the truth comes out. Not willing to sell it on moral grounds, but maybe willing to sell it but not for a loss. But not willing to keep it and live with a total loss so spend money and time to push on the manufacturer. Dude you are all over the map.
The Thread title should be changed to “I hate Bergara and I need you to hate them too”.
People buy Leupold scopes when the new stuff comes out hoping for them to turn the corner and get left disappointed. It happens but I wouldn’t call them dumb.Well, perhaps you could consider the loss as your penance for being dumb enough to buy yet another Bergara when you really knew better deep down inside? Just trying to help you out of your moral dilemma .
I have no fucking idea what you said!Dude I got some fucking banana bread at work today dude hell yea my mom told me that if I like wait for things then like good things will happen like getting banana bread at work today dude hell yea so it just goes to show that waiting for good things is like worth it dude but there are like a lot of bad things in this world dude like fucking Berretta dude hell no buying a Bergara and it shoots like fucking shit dude, hell no dude buying A FUCKING SAVAGE AND THE EXTRACTOR TAKES A FUCKING SHIT AT A FUCKING MATCH DUDE WHILE ALL THE OTHER FUCKING DUDES ARE LIKE LAUGHING AT YOU DUDE HELL NO BUT BANANA BREAD AT FUCKING WORK DUDE HELL YEA DUDE HELL YEA
Well, perhaps you could consider the loss as your penance for being dumb enough to buy yet another Bergara when you really knew better deep down inside? Just trying to help you out of your moral dilemma .