Then how else do you suggest building up the base so it sits straight on their fucked up receiver.
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Then how else do you suggest building up the base so it sits straight on their fucked up receiver.
Comical but a bit sad to see this thread go 5 pages.
Thread title wording sometimes predicts, how its going to end up. If it had been "I am having trouble with this rifle" or something along that line it might have went totally different. But when its full on hate from the gate, this is what happens. Post # 142 nailed this thread like a ring shank in oak, or 260 amps of a 3/16 7018 doing a fillet
You evaded the question.
DID YOU SEND IT TO BERGARA WITH THE RAIL BEDDED IN EPOXY ?
In this conversation (post 110), bicycle boy makes the claim that he has "fired hundreds of thousands of rounds". Well, that's absolutely bullshit. Anyone who hasn't been in combat arms in the military, (while a republican was in office so there was an ammo budget), or been a highly sponsored competition shooter for 20 years or more, or has a job, like ammo testing for an ammo company has not come anywhere near shooting "hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo", not even close.
And then in post 186 he claims "to have bedded hundreds of R700 rails".
Unless he's a very active gunsmith, (and he's not), that's another bold faced lie.
One in a million rifles have bedded rails, (mainly because it's a complete waste of time for almost every situation).
His dishonesty is apparent every time he sticks his head up out of the mud, for those paying attention.
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I know this not to be the issue based on the compression strength of the pad, but let’s just assume for a moment that this is indeed causing the accuracy problems.
So I’ll ask you too, when the receiver is so out of spec that there has to be bedding built up to not warp the rail and in turn not bend the scope tube and fuck up mounting, what are you supposed to do? This has been common practice for decades and as I’ve said I’ve done it hundreds of times without issue.
Are you expected to have a gunsmith make a custom mount for a rifle that’s advertised as being compatible with R700 bases?
Even if you want to look at it from that angle it still points back to the fucking rifle being defective.
Back to the “issue” of the bedding pad on the front of the rail that has over 9000psi of compression strength, those two little 6-48 screws in the front have about 800psi of clamping force combined. I know it’s probably hard for your little brain to understand how both of these work but if you try really hard you might understand how those screws giving in some way (especially from stress from pulling the rail down and NOT being bedded) would cause an issue long before the bedding pad. Those little screws are the standard on R700’s and a lot of other rifles and other than in severe circumstances quite clearly are enough. Not to mention that front pad is also bonded to the action and has over 3100psi of tensile strength holding it together, or nearly 4 times the strength of those two little screws.
So please tell me more about how that bedding pad is causing my problems
You forgot about Mike the Marine on that episode of Backfire.
I`ve been laboring under the impression that redneck was one of the top " standard bearers " for SH and a fixture in the SH pantheon of revered posters. Am I wrong? The level of vitriol directed towards him in this thread is more than a little surprising, at least to this low ranking SH member and admitted " poor ".
I think he's an unbearable asshole personally. I think most people agree.
It just goes to show how much of a mental challenge brand bias really is. There’s a lot of stupid people on the internet and as soon as you say something negative about a brand they’ve decided they like they flock in to defend what they see as an attack on their choices.
Or.....
You came here to trash a company, and while dozens of people with infinitely more knowledge than you have suggested unconventional solutions to attempt to help you, you've kicked dirt in every one of their faces. You didn't make this post for any other reason than to attempt to drag a manufacturer through the mud.
Bergara says it shoots .6 and .9 moa.
You say it's a pile of shit 4 moa rifle.
Most of us believe Bergara.
You came here to trash a company, and while dozens of people with infinitely more knowledge than you have suggested unconventional solutions to attempt to help you, you've kicked dirt in every one of their faces. You didn't make this post for any other reason than to attempt to drag a manufacturer through the mud.
Bergara says it shoots .6 and .9 moa.
You say it's a pile of shit 4 moa rifle.
Most of us believe Bergara.
This thread is a selfie away from Flip territory…
The OP could be completely spot on with his assessment of his Bergara experience. But, his internet persona is that of a guy that would borrow your truck, put a dent in the fender, return it on an empty tank, tell you it’s a piece of shit, and inform you he needs it again next weekend. This is where the vitriol comes from.
LOL couldn’t be further off from the way I operate, but it’s always interesting hearing the perspectives from those offended by mere words.
You do realize you are the only one on this thread that has bought three of them? It would seem you are the one with a hard on for Bergara.
About the way you operate? You opened that can. Tell the folks here about that Nightforce scope you sold as pristine to ASM1 years ago and refused to take it back after he inspected it? His vision about the way you operate, is much different than yours.
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The one that was clearly pictured in the sale ad and he either fucked up or wanted to exchange optics? That one? LOL
I haven’t had a single other sour deal. You’re welcome to check my feedback where I’ve sold a crap load of stuff on here since the system started and not one person has been unhappy with an item they received. So if misrepresenting stuff for sale is the way I operate, why does my feedback oppose that? And why would I not post this rifle up claiming it’s a 1/4moa gun and wash my hands of it?
Go fuck yourself.
Send their fucked up receiver back, that should have been your first step/clue in this goat fuck
F- it, I'm in for $591.00
Yup! The dumbfuck behind the rifle that don’t know how to shoot.
Did Bergara use their rail in their testing or yours?
Wonder what the force is under recoil on those tiny 6-48 screws sitting on a 9000psi pad of adhesive.
I still say, save yourself some money and borrow or buy another rail to try it.
And using a straight edge and feeler gauges is not the best way to measure something that's twisting in the wind.
I'd be willing to split the cost up if you are willing to take a chance. You send the rifle to anyone in this thread, bare rifle without the rail. If they cannot get it to shoot, I'll put money towards the original cost of the rifle, I am sure others will contribute. If the shoots, you donate it for a fundraising towards supporting the forum?
Hell, I have never owned or even fondled one, but I am thinking about buying one just for spite
Bergara used their own and the force on the screws under recoil is less than they wouldn’t have been on a non bedded rail just bolted to their out of spec action.
Actions deform under recoil, that doesn’t change regardless of the application. If you start with a rail that is stressed bolted on an out of spec receiver there will be issues. I really don’t get what is so hard to understand about this. It’s just people searching for anything to blame it on other than the rifle being fucked up.
Also, if the rail was fucked up from the bedding and causing an issue. Why did the rifle shoot two great groups with the barrel piping hot? Nobody can seem to see that and try to understand the potential issues from it. But yeah the rail that would still be an issue then if it was going to be the issue must be the problem.
This forum is full of fucking idiots who can’t read or understand things even when it’s spelled out for them.
BTW this is in the Bear Pit now. That is all.
Hole digging at its best.
Just so you know, Mike Brown, was also there when ASM1 unboxed that Nightforce.
Where was this Mike Brown (like I’m supposed to know who that is?) when ASM1 called me out claiming I didn’t send him what was advertised? Weird that guy never surfaced to validate his claims.
You’re the only one digging a hole here rehashing old shit that doesn’t even exist on the forum anymore trying to somehow invalidate my claims that this rifle is fucked up. Why has this never come up before in over a decade and you chose to bring it up now?
So Bergara used their rail and rifle was good to go, tiny screws good to go, BMX'R rail and tiny screws no go and I am the fucking idiot...
So buying a rail from Bergara never crossed your mind but 150rds did?
So buying a rail from Bergara never crossed your mind but 150rds did?
Your writing/ argument style reminds of Judcargile or maybe even Harry_x1. You didn’t get a new screen name did you?
I don’t think it’s the rail if it was bedded to the receiver. It’s a barrel issue. Bergara tested it with a different lot of ammo and if you have a crappy barrel this is the exact way it will react to different lots of ammo.
I've had my round stock machined by a beaver many thousands of times. Some times are better than others, but I never saw a need to complain.
How liberal of you to be offended by grammar.
How low IQ of you to not even have to sense to click on my username and see that I’ve been a member here since 2005.
Fuck some of you amaze me.
Holy shit, someone who’s not brain dead. I think that makes like a total of 5 people who have replied now.
I am aware that my experience is not the same as yours. So, my good luck with Bergara has no bearing on your problem. That being said, I own two of them. A B14 HMR in 300 WM that has shot 3/4" at 200 yards with 200gr ELD-X's for a three shot group and will stack them into the same hole at 100yds all day, hot barrel or cold.
This gun shot like pure shit when I got it. Turns out Leupold makes a shitty scope. It was a very high end Leupold that a big spending shooter took off of his fancy hunting rifle after two weeks and sold off at the LGS. I sent it to Leupold and they fixed it, no problem and it is now on another rifle doing great work.
The second Bergara is a B14 R, 22 rimfire. It has that Leupold scope on it and I use it at the rifle club for their 100yd bench rest 22 matches. All of the retired guys do this once a week. I cannot whip the Vudoo Rifle fuckers who spent $4000 on a rifle, $3000 on a scope and $2000 on a benchrest rifle rest to win a rubber duck once a week. But on a B 16 25 yd pistol slow fire target which has a .7" X-ring and a 1.5" 10 ring It easily holds the 10 ring 45/50 with 15/20 X's. The wind causes the 9's.
Maybe it is time to check the scope and to check your temper. Your story paints a picture of a nutbag sitting at the range screaming and throwing shit. Sitting at the range screaming like a loon and blasting away makes you look insane. If it did not shoot how you wanted the first 30 times, stop fucking shooting and send it back with more detailed information or sell it.
I don't waste this much time on a gun that don't shoot. If it sucked after 60 rounds it would go down the road. I had a shitty Remington 1911 that the slide stop was literally shaving metal off the slide. A lot of metal, like no hardening amounts of metal. The sent an RMA, replaced the top half and when they returned it, I sold it without ever firing it again. Same goes for any other turd.
Why put this much effort into a gun you hate from a company you hate? Move on, new subject.
This gun shot like pure shit when I got it. Turns out Leupold makes a shitty scope. It was a very high end Leupold that a big spending shooter took off of his fancy hunting rifle after two weeks and sold off at the LGS. I sent it to Leupold and they fixed it, no problem and it is now on another rifle doing great work.
The second Bergara is a B14 R, 22 rimfire. It has that Leupold scope on it and I use it at the rifle club for their 100yd bench rest 22 matches. All of the retired guys do this once a week. I cannot whip the Vudoo Rifle fuckers who spent $4000 on a rifle, $3000 on a scope and $2000 on a benchrest rifle rest to win a rubber duck once a week. But on a B 16 25 yd pistol slow fire target which has a .7" X-ring and a 1.5" 10 ring It easily holds the 10 ring 45/50 with 15/20 X's. The wind causes the 9's.
Maybe it is time to check the scope and to check your temper. Your story paints a picture of a nutbag sitting at the range screaming and throwing shit. Sitting at the range screaming like a loon and blasting away makes you look insane. If it did not shoot how you wanted the first 30 times, stop fucking shooting and send it back with more detailed information or sell it.
I don't waste this much time on a gun that don't shoot. If it sucked after 60 rounds it would go down the road. I had a shitty Remington 1911 that the slide stop was literally shaving metal off the slide. A lot of metal, like no hardening amounts of metal. The sent an RMA, replaced the top half and when they returned it, I sold it without ever firing it again. Same goes for any other turd.
Why put this much effort into a gun you hate from a company you hate? Move on, new subject.
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I’m not offended by grammar. I’m amused because you’re a troll and a total fucking idiot.
Tensile strengthI know this not to be the issue based on the compression strength of the pad, but let’s just assume for a moment that this is indeed causing the accuracy problems.
So I’ll ask you too, when the receiver is so out of spec that there has to be bedding built up to not warp the rail and in turn not bend the scope tube and fuck up mounting, what are you supposed to do? This has been common practice for decades and as I’ve said I’ve done it hundreds of times without issue.
Are you expected to have a gunsmith make a custom mount for a rifle that’s advertised as being compatible with R700 bases?
Even if you want to look at it from that angle it still points back to the fucking rifle being defective.
Back to the “issue” of the bedding pad on the front of the rail that has over 9000psi of compression strength, those two little 6-48 screws in the front have about 800psi of clamping force combined. I know it’s probably hard for your little brain to understand how both of these work but if you try really hard you might understand how those screws giving in some way (especially from stress from pulling the rail down and NOT being bedded) would cause an issue long before the bedding pad. Those little screws are the standard on R700’s and a lot of other rifles and other than in severe circumstances quite clearly are enough. Not to mention that front pad is also bonded to the action and has over 3100psi of tensile strength holding it together, or nearly 4 times the strength of those two little screws.
So please tell me more about how that bedding pad is causing my problems
Compression strength
Shear strength
Go do some homework.
In the op he did switch scopes and he did send it back and was told it was fine. Is bergara stone walling who knows. And what can you do if they are.
