The processes and product are different, but it's safe to assume at this point that the culture is the same.
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Boeing 737 Max at it again
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The processes and product are different, but it's safe to assume at this point that the culture is the same.
oh no doubt the culture is a top down problem. Most companies have culture problems now because everything is done for shareholder returns and fuck everybody else. My company is giving dividends out again post Covid(I think this is our second year doing it). It was just announced and you would think wallstreet would go bonkers on a dividend payout, but instead they said "its great they want to pay dividend, but the internal product is suffering, the company is making almost zero profit, and paying dividend isnt sustainable long term"... NO SHIT... thats what our union has been telling the company for a few years "get healthy, fix our issues, then pay the dividend, but you cant pay dividend when we are at best breaking even"... but the company is SO FOCUSED on shareholder returns they ignore all else to attempt to pump the share price.
To nobodies surprise, the bolts were never reinstalled during build out.
www.cnbc.com
Bolts appeared to be missing from Boeing 737 Max door plug that blew off midflight, NTSB says
The NTSB's preliminary report comes about a month after a door plug blew out of an Alaska Airlines' 737 Max 9.
www.cnbc.com
With Boeing in hot seat, claims against supplier Spirit AeroSystems take shape
Former employees at Spirit AeroSystems describe a "sick" safety culture as quality control problems at Boeing come under scrutiny after a blowout on a 737.
www.seattletimes.com
Still looking for information that would contradict assumptions made earlier in the thread, but certainly haven't found anything of the sort yet. Every indication points towards deep-rooted cultural problems.
I see opportunity for competition in that sector.With Boeing in hot seat, claims against supplier Spirit AeroSystems take shape
Former employees at Spirit AeroSystems describe a "sick" safety culture as quality control problems at Boeing come under scrutiny after a blowout on a 737.
Still looking for information that would contradict assumptions made earlier in the thread, but certainly haven't found anything of the sort yet. Every indication points towards deep-rooted cultural problems.
There's certainly an opportunity, but given the choice between investing billions in a low-yielding manufacturing business or putting it all on the Wall Street casino roulette wheel and "earning" 10-20% overnight on the hot AI stock of the moment, we know where the smart money is going.
I fear that this country has permanently lost the ability to allocate capital towards the manufacture of hard goods, but that's probably for the best because we've also lost the culture required to properly perform that task.
How Boeing broke down: Inside the series of leadership failures that hobbled the airline giant
The same strategy that sent the stock soaring more than 1,000% over 20 years contained dangerous flaws that are only now coming into view.
Yet more proof that a manufacturing business cannot cost-cut itself to prosperity. Bonus - additional evidence that Jack Welsh is competing with the banking industry for the title of the most destructive force in American business over the past quarter-century.
Well they got some engine special effects , a roller coaster ride and a 200Bucks plus 15$ meal voucher
According to the flight tracking website FlightAware, Flight 1118, with 167 passengers on board, took off from George Bush Intercontinental Airport at 6:40 pm local time. Just minutes after takeoff, the plane returned to the airport because of the engine issue.
"The plane was nosediving, and the pilot was bringing the plane back up," passenger Elliot Trexler said, adding, "The plane was also rocking back and forth a lot."
"And then it just turned into chaos. People were screaming and crying and trying to figure out what was going on," Gruninger said.
Radio transmission from the pilots described "our left engine, our number one engine," experienced an issue while climbing through about 10,000 feet.
The plane trip from hell lasted about 33 minutes after takeoff. Pilots landed safely around 7:31 local time—United credited passengers with $200 and a $15 meal voucher.
According to the flight tracking website FlightAware, Flight 1118, with 167 passengers on board, took off from George Bush Intercontinental Airport at 6:40 pm local time. Just minutes after takeoff, the plane returned to the airport because of the engine issue.
"The plane was nosediving, and the pilot was bringing the plane back up," passenger Elliot Trexler said, adding, "The plane was also rocking back and forth a lot."
"And then it just turned into chaos. People were screaming and crying and trying to figure out what was going on," Gruninger said.
Radio transmission from the pilots described "our left engine, our number one engine," experienced an issue while climbing through about 10,000 feet.
The plane trip from hell lasted about 33 minutes after takeoff. Pilots landed safely around 7:31 local time—United credited passengers with $200 and a $15 meal voucher.
That’s not a “fire”. Looks more like a compressor surge.
This kind of stuff happens all the time. It’s not indicative of an issue. Hell Boeing doesn’t even make the engines. I think we had an engine fire last month on an Airbus with the NEO engine. Where’s the hysteria over that? You want to talk about a clusterfuck and something that should be in the news, let’s talk about the engine issues on that thing. But no, the media hates Boeing because they are American.
Boeing 737 Max incident under investigation over 'stuck' rudder pedals
The National Transportation Security Board (NTSB) is looking into an incident involving a 737 Max plane that experienced "stuck" rudder pedals during its landing rollout.
www.foxbusiness.com
SOMEBODY TURN OFF THE FUCKING IRS's...
And to be fair to the Max, the gear is the same as every other 737, the only thing unique to the max is the longer nose gear, which appears to still be just fine...
Alaska had a gear strut come up through the wing of a 737 NG in Orange County a few months ago...
NOW shitty landings by new pilots...thats a recipe for gear collapse.
I'll reserve judgement until after the investigation.
I actually heard it was not, but I have no data to prove or disprove that statement.
I had an airplane quit flying at like 10 feet in really gusty conditions when the +20 kt gust dropped, HAMMERED the throttles to the stop, and we still dropped like a sack of shit. That was the hardest landing I have ever had. My captain was like "damn, but shit what were you going to do, you firewalled the bitch".
When an engine that spins at like 30k rpm decides to come apart its generally pretty dramatic.
The A320 NEO series when it was first released had to have engines REPLACED every 25 hours...
I think they got that shit taken care of...
And ive never known a Boeing to cause itself to be flown into the ground because "were landing" when in fact "were doing a low approach"...
In a Boeing when you say "why is it doing that" its generally because you as the pilot dont know what the fuck you are doing and you caused it to do what its doing. In an Airbus when you say "why is it doing that" its because nobody knows "why its doing that".
There is too much noise around Boeing lately for me to feel 100% comfortable flying in one. Europeans have a well-deserved reputation for making quality stuff, as evidenced by their airliner safety record, as well as the HK MP5, FN SCAR, and CZ Bren 2.
They did not get it taken care of. The engines on the neos, at least the Pratt ones, are an absolute dumpster fire right now. We need at least 9 right for current aircraft. Can’t get em. The temps are way higher than they should be and lots of metal being found in oil samples
Bro. There’re literally thousands upon thousands of Boeings operated every day. I bet a Boeing operate more than 50 % of the world’s flights daily. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them as a design. What we are seeing right now with the Max specifically as related to the Alaska incident is just too much pressure on deliveries which is causing lacks control so hopefully this was a wake up call and they’ll get that rectified. The other part that you’re seeing is that are the American media hates Boeing and hates America and they want to make Boeing look really really bad. We had an airbus do a tail strike in St. Lucia two weeks ago and you didn’t hear anything about that at the news did you? And let’s not forget what happened on the demo flight at the Paris airshow with the 320 when it first came out
Boeings biggest flaw are those fucking yokes between your leg. I don’t miss that even for a second.
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Push the thrust levers all the way up to Max power
You know, pushed them to the firewall
I’m pretty confident I won’t die in a Boeing, but when there are alternative routes, why risk it? It’s like buying a gun from the American company that legally calls itself Sig. I’m confident it won’t shoot itself, but with all the noise around Sig, it makes sense to choose an alternative and let others beta test.
Well, it’s funny you should mention Sigg because they’re literally going through the same problems that a company like Boeing is going they’ve taken on so much and are trying so hard to deliver so much so fast that they’re letting their quality slip. It’s not that they’re unsafe it’s just the quality isn’t there that it used to be but look at the Boeing 737 it is literally the most widely sold airliner ever in history today right now there are over 7000 operating worldwide and more than 15,000 have been built since they’re inception in the 60s that says a lot. United specifically operates 5000 flights a day the odds on favorite of something like a wheel falling off an airplane maybe sliding off the runway it happens all the time I mean American probably put three airplanes off the runway last year alone Delta put one off on LaGuardia two or three years ago you know it happens not saying you can’t do better, but just knowing that this kind of stuff happens and I guarantee you the same stuff happens every day on an airbus. You just don’t hear about it the same way that you hear about it because Boeing is in the spotlight right now.
You literally have zero choice on an American airline...
You might buy a ticket on an "airbus" and then MIRACULOUSLY there is an equipment substitution to a Boeing. The airline will laugh at you if you choose not to fly and will refuse to refund your money.
You're probably one of those people who bitch about their $39 ticket and act like they should be getting service like its a G650 and you own the bitch...
shut up and hold on and ill give you better odds than Vegas that I will get you there on the "Boeing"...
Right but what he saying is if the route is typically flown by saying an airbus, A3 21 and that airbus A3 21 breaks down and there’s no extra airbus is laying around but there is a Boeing 737 max nine from the same company guess what’s gonna happen you’re now flying on a Boeing. Just like with your seat there’s no guarantee what type of aircraft you will be on.
In that case, I board the plane. Every day you’re not living, you’re dying.
I wouldn’t want to be this guy
https://www.cnn.com/travel/boeing-737-max-passenger-boycott/index.html
I own a March scope. You will address me as “Sir” or “His Lordship.”
Loved the 321 neo, company had the leap’s thought. No issues, it’s everything the max hopes it could be. Wish I was still on it.
edited to add: at least after the initial issues with them were sorted.
It wasn’t, foqua data showed inside of limits. I forget the exact numbers, I’d have to go back and read some bulletins, but a component on the gear leg failed. There’s been a few of the exact same failures on other carriers, just non major so the media doesn’t publicize it. I can’t believe they taxied off the runway riding the nacelle…
Nice work! Probably would’ve been much worse if you hadn’t reacted correctly. I’ve had my share of firm landings but the hardest landing I’ve ever had, I was riding the jumpseat. It’s a terrible feeling when she quits flying, you feel the drop accelerating and you can do nothing about it but hold on.
A&P here that worked at Northwest until 2002. The Boeings had thicker structure than the Airbus at that time. I felt safer on Boeing. The reason I fly as Little as possible is because of all the over seas maintenance being done outside of the US. Northwest built a maintenance base in Singapore in 1999. They got rid of 90 percent of their mechanics after that.
D checks being done in the Philippines scare ya a little?
Boeing's largest labor union, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, has called for a 40% pay increase over the next three to four years.
Before the pay increase, Boeing and the union should consider a performance-based bonus for workers on quality control metrics—or perhaps no bonus at all.
The problem is the IAM includes baggage handlers and aircraft cleaners as well as machinists with the federally licsened a&p mechanics. At Northwest the baggage handlers cleaners, and machinists outnumbered the a&p mechanics. As a result the IAM leadership did not represent the a&p mechanics. When contracts got done baggage handlers would get a bigger percentage of raises. And somehow machinists that didn’t have the federally required training and licenses were able to bump a&p mechanics out of a&p jobs. If you were on a crew with a non licensed machinist, you were expected to sign off and accept liability for the work he did during the shift even though you didn’t get to see what he did. We voted out the IAM and joined AMFA to have our own representation. The IAM colluded with Northwest to break our union and force us out on strike.
Boeing's largest labor union, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, has called for a 40% pay increase over the next three to four years.
Before the pay increase, Boeing and the union should consider a performance-based bonus for workers on quality control metrics—or perhaps no bonus at all.
Do the Clinton's have stock in Boeing?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/just-boeing-whistleblower-found-dead-self-inflicted-wound/
Another take on this…. Ayn Rand did predict this…
Crony capitalism and threats to DEI would result in mysterious deaths….
Hummm….
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