Wasn't disagreeing with you.Only a retard would want to breath in vaporized Teflon but you do you. Hope you have great healthcare.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Wasn't disagreeing with you.Only a retard would want to breath in vaporized Teflon but you do you. Hope you have great healthcare.
Evidentially you're either extremely ignorant or run your gas guns 2K Deg. F.Thats great, so as it burns/vaporized you breath in a known carcinogen. YAY for Cancer!
Not sure where you're getting that the small frame JP carrier & bolt are double the price of the Geiselle, but JP's website lists is as #375 vs Geiselle at $325.I have not seen too many talk about Geissele's "nano coating" yet, but the entire carrier has it, as opposed to the DLC offered only on the bolt for JP.
The machine work is definitely nicer on the JP FMOS, but its also double the price.
More or less where I've ended up with Young Mfg. as well, though I never had dealer status. Too bad they've changed business practices.I was set up with dealer terms for almost two decades with Young Mfg. When the new ownership took over, they would neither answer my emails or phone calls. After multiple attempts to contact them, I gave up and rolled over to JP as my #1 go-to choice. By that time, JP was DLC coating their bolts, saving me that often frustrating step dealing with Ionbond, so the switch was a double-win for me. JP customer service has been absolutely top shelf for me, and I'm just small potatoes for an outfit that big.
I've purchased several of the current Young Mfg. M16 bolt carrier groups through my big distributor, RSR, and they've proven to be a very good value.
I haven't tried the Y/M bolts with "HM Defense Bolt Technology". It does look very interesting. But, I'm using top shelf bolts already, bolts of a quality that very seldom if ever fail (one known failure in the last ten years - an LMT with 5000 rounds on it about six years ago). So, I am quite happy to continue using what works so well for me, JP DLC coated bolts.
Time to build a 400 LegendI'm the dork who paid full price for an LMT 6.8 BCG mistakenly thinking it would work with a 6ARC
View attachment 8395178
Do you wildcat any? There are some cool receiver sets you can use that take Six8 PMAGs, from New Frontier Armory.I'm the dork who paid full price for an LMT 6.8 BCG mistakenly thinking it would work with a 6ARC
View attachment 8395178
You missed a pretty critical detail in both my post and the photos.Not sure where you're getting that the small frame JP carrier & bolt are double the price of the Geiselle, but JP's website lists is as #375 vs Geiselle at $325.
JP FMOS Small Frame BCG
And while all Geiselle's stuff is always good, their "nano" coating is CrN which is a PVD applied coating.
CrN is not as hard as DLC nor does it have as low of a COF as the DLC, so I'll take the DLC every day, all day...................& I deal with both on a commercial basis in the auto industry.
But the Geiselle does use an improved version of C-158 for the bolt; but even though there is a lot of variability of 9310 in the marketplace, I have confidence in JP's QA to control what they are using.
And again, on the bolt, DLC is preferred over CrN.................& the JP bolts are the best I've ever used with regard to being easy to clean & I've never heard of one breaking, much less have one break myself.
As to the carriers, I have DLC carriers & they are very, very slick & smooth in the upper; even the polished, uncoated SS steel LMOS carrier that JP makes is very very slick & hard to tell the difference between it & DLC. And, though uncoated, if well lubed, I surely don't expect it to wear out in any reasonable time frame.
MM
Yes, I misunderstood that you were only referring to the carriers..........but the JP is not quite double the cost for the Geiselle, but close enough.You missed a pretty critical detail in both my post and the photos.
I was comparing the cost of bolt carriers, not the entire complete BCG with bolt.
A JP Full Mass bolt carrier is in fact double the price of the Geissele Enhanced bolt carrier.
Also, multiple others in this thread have pointed out that JP’s actual carrier is NOT dlc, so that would be a moot point.
I cannot complain about it, for the price. With the brownells discount, it was $100+tax&shipping.Yes, I misunderstood that you were only referring to the carriers..........but the JP is not quite double the cost for the Geiselle, but close enough.
And yes, I know full well that none of the carriers from JP are DLC. Nonetheless, they are still, very, very slick.
For a carrier of the Geiselle's quality, & PVD coated, the price is not bad & the difference between a PVD & a DLC carrier matters less that it does on the bolt where DLC's toughness is still an edge over CrN via PVD.
And a lot still depends on the quality of the sources doing the coatings. But I have no doubt that Geiselle is using a high quality source.
MM
I would like to see that as well. I can't help but wonder if the average guy wouldn't notice inside of 200yds, but "might" see it past that.I'd really like for someone to do a modern comparison of the "flared tail" style carriers, to see if they have any actual impact on accuracy.
Still waiting on quotes back to build mine here. I guess contractors are just too busyI would like to see that as well. I can't help but wonder if the average guy wouldn't notice inside of 200yds, but "might" see it past that.
Where was that indoor warehouse that was super long ... ( eliminated wind drift ) when you need it... Lol
I take it you had to machine the sleeves?I have been using my own enhanced BCG for years. Fitted sleeve, JB Welded, then slot cut. Due to oversized tail, the buffer tubes are bored and polished. The old brake cylinder hone in the tailstock does a good in polishing the bored out tube.
The one with pressed in brass plug is the same on all my service rifles. I've done a few for friends, all were happy with them. No functionality issues.
It must have been close to 10 years ago when I did the first one. It was on a new service rifle upper build, so I did not have A-B comparison. At 200 yards, if I remember, I shot five, 5 shot groups at 200 at different days, none went over 0.8 inch.
Fast forward to before the plandemic, I loaned my rifle to a friend along with my ammo to shoot on a 2-day mid range at Bayou Rifles in Houston area. With 4.5x power scope, 20 inch service rifle, prone, sling, he posted 1189-62X, launching 80 VLDs. The bolt gun with optics sling shooter who won the sling category, I believe was using a 6mm cartridge, shot 1191-59X, maybe 1192. Shooters are both HM.
One data point, but it illustrates the fully captured BCG did not hurt precision, maybe it helped. The shooter to his credit, shot the system very accurately.
View attachment 8424035View attachment 8424036View attachment 8424037View attachment 8424038View attachment 8424047
Yes. Start with with 1 inch SS tube 1/8 or 1/16 wall. Turn down OD to fit, bore ID to accommodate however thick JB you wish to employ.I take it you had to machine the sleeves?
On page one of this discussion I posted a list of quite a few of the similar ones most popularly offered:Any chance we could get a list of oversized bolt carriers to prevent carrier tilt? Young National Match seems to be old news since they sold to a different holding company. I had been thinking of buying a JP - are they considered oversized?
What's the final OD? I need to remeasure the Azimuth ones, but I think there like 0.040" lager than standard.
The JP is NOT double the price of the Geissele. In fact the Geissele is $10 more. Not sure where you got that info, or bought yours considering your own them bothFigured I'd share some photos as well.
I have not seen too many talk about Geissele's "nano coating" yet, but the entire carrier has it, as opposed to the DLC offered only on the bolt for JP.
The machine work is definitely nicer on the JP FMOS, but its also double the price.
As it stands, this rifle now has a frankencombo (JP Bolt and Geissele Carrier).
He was referring to just the bolt carrier, which $145 versus $245. Your pricing is for the complete carrier groups.The JP is NOT double the price of the Geissele. In fact the Geissele is $10 more. Not sure where you got that info, or bought yours considering your own them both
The JP is $375
The Geissele is $385
I was reading through this and just as I was thinking (what I wrote in 2020) the next post is from me in 20 fucking 20 saying my same thought.Did you necro-thread this 4 year old discussion just to shill your barrel maker...?
For a barrel that you've admitted you havent even shot yet, at that.
He’s the 2nd one in this thread to miss that point and jump to my “error” in price comparison.He was referring to just the bolt carrier, which $145 versus $245. Your pricing is for the complete carrier groups.
“Icon defense BCG have me intrigued.
I’m still intrigued, even with a proprietary bolt.“
This carrier is not compatible with mil-spec bolts.*”
Young's website is back up & running. Not sure who is running the business now though.Young National Match if you can find them
KE ArmsYoung's website is back up & running. Not sure who is running the business now though.
MM