British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

[HiCapMag]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

All a very interesting discussion.

Can anyone confim what round the Brits are using? The 250 Scenar has been mentioned.....

 

[rero360]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Ok, so plugging in the info from sandwarrior as far as elevation, temp at say 35 degrees, and sending the 250gr lock base using Lapua's coeficient down a 1/12" tube at 3000fps (50fps faster than BH 250gr .338 ammo)

The results are that it will go transonic at 1800 yards, will be going 833 fps at 2700 yards requiring 164.3 MOA or 47.8 MILs using a 300 yard zero. with a time of flight being 5.988 seconds.

Now if you take the reported time of flight being around 3 seconds as the truth then given all the above info correct then the distance would be right around 1800 yards, only needing 18.3 MILs come up.

I'm pretty sure others have put down this info before. Overall I'm going to have to still side with Lonewolf on this one.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rero360</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, so plugging in the info from sandwarrior as far as elevation, temp at say 35 degrees, and sending the 250gr lock base using Lapua's coeficient down a 1/12" tube at 3000fps (50fps faster than BH 250gr .338 ammo)

The results are that it will go transonic at 1800 yards, will be going 833 fps at 2700 yards requiring 164.3 MOA or 47.8 MILs using a 300 yard zero. with a time of flight being 5.988 seconds.

Now if you take the reported time of flight being around 3 seconds as the truth then given all the above info correct then the distance would be right around 1800 yards, only needing 18.3 MILs come up.

I'm pretty sure others have put down this info before. Overall I'm going to have to still side with Lonewolf on this one.</div></div>

No question it's a far stretch. But, think about it. Bullets re-stabilize better through the transonic zone at altitude. There isn't the thick air to create the big flight disruption. Or, I should say, keeping it disrupted. Barring the bullet to go completely out of control due to gyroscopic precession it will restabilize relatively quickly. Although, normally losing some accuracy while doing this. It then continues on it's parabola.

FWIW, I can tell you there hasn't been a mathematical formula yet on this thread that even comes close to what those bullets went through on their paths.

Again, side with lonewolf if you wish. I didn't print the story, The London Times did. And it was a British Army sniper who did this and they aren't recanting the story.

Edit:

Here's what I pulled off JBM using 4500 as the mean altitude and a slightly warmer temp:

Trajectory
Input Data
Manufacturer: Lapua Description: Lock Base
Caliber: 0.338 in Weight: 250.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.662 G1
Muzzle Velocity: 3000.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Temperature: 69.0 °F Pressure: 29.22 in Hg
Humidity: 40.0 % Altitude: 4500.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 3.322 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.06184 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1127.2 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 381 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 322 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 175 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 3650.4 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.313 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.4 0.3 2884.4 2.559 4617.5 0.102 17.9 17.1
200 -2.7 -1.3 1.5 0.7 2767.9 2.456 4252.2 0.208 36.6 17.5
300 -9.9 -3.2 3.4 1.1 2654.4 2.355 3910.7 0.319 56.1 17.9
400 -22.1 -5.3 6.1 1.5 2543.8 2.257 3591.5 0.434 76.4 18.2
500 -39.6 -7.6 9.8 1.9 2435.8 2.161 3293.0 0.555 97.6 18.6
600 -63.0 -10.0 14.3 2.3 2330.5 2.068 3014.3 0.681 119.8 19.1
700 -92.8 -12.7 19.9 2.7 2227.7 1.976 2754.2 0.812 143.0 19.5
800 -129.6 -15.5 26.6 3.2 2127.4 1.887 2511.9 0.950 167.2 20.0
900 -174.0 -18.5 34.5 3.7 2029.8 1.801 2286.6 1.095 192.6 20.4
1000 -227.0 -21.7 43.5 4.2 1934.9 1.717 2077.9 1.246 219.3 20.9
1100 -289.2 -25.1 53.9 4.7 1842.9 1.635 1885.0 1.405 247.3 21.5
1200 -361.7 -28.8 65.7 5.2 1754.0 1.556 1707.5 1.572 276.6 22.0
1300 -445.4 -32.7 79.0 5.8 1668.4 1.480 1544.8 1.747 307.5 22.6
1400 -541.7 -37.0 93.9 6.4 1586.3 1.407 1396.7 1.932 340.0 23.2
1500 -651.8 -41.5 110.5 7.0 1508.2 1.338 1262.5 2.126 374.1 23.8
1600 -777.3 -46.4 128.8 7.7 1434.3 1.272 1141.8 2.330 410.1 24.5
1700 -919.6 -51.7 149.0 8.4 1365.1 1.211 1034.3 2.544 447.8 25.2
1800 -1080.6 -57.3 171.1 9.1 1301.0 1.154 939.4 2.770 487.5 25.9
1900 -1262.3 -63.4 195.1 9.8 1242.4 1.102 856.7 3.006 529.1 26.6
2000 -1466.5 -70.0 221.1 10.6 1189.8 1.056 785.7 3.253 572.6 27.3
2100 -1695.3 -77.1 248.9 11.3 1143.5 1.014 725.8 3.511 618.0 28.1
2200 -1950.8 -84.7 278.5 12.1 1103.3 0.979 675.6 3.779 665.1 28.9
2300 -2235.1 -92.8 309.7 12.9 1068.4 0.948 633.6 4.056 713.9 29.6
2400 -2549.9 -101.5 342.4 13.6 1038.0 0.921 598.0 4.342 764.3 30.4
2500 -2897.3 -110.7 376.7 14.4 1011.2 0.897 567.5 4.637 816.1 31.2
2600 -3279.1 -120.4 412.2 15.1 987.2 0.876 540.9 4.939 869.2 31.9
2700 -3696.9 -130.8 449.1 15.9 965.4 0.856 517.3 5.248 923.7 32.7
2800 -4152.5 -141.6 487.3 16.6 945.5 0.839 496.1 5.565 979.4 33.4

 

[Ewen]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Ruag Swiss P252gr ammo

ewen

 

[dave1894]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rero360</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, so plugging in the info from sandwarrior as far as elevation, temp at say 35 degrees, and sending the 250gr lock base using Lapua's coeficient down a 1/12" tube at 3000fps (50fps faster than BH 250gr .338 ammo)

The results are that it will go transonic at 1800 yards, will be going 833 fps at 2700 yards requiring 164.3 MOA or 47.8 MILs using a 300 yard zero. with a time of flight being 5.988 seconds.

Now if you take the reported time of flight being around 3 seconds as the truth then given all the above info correct then the distance would be right around 1800 yards, only needing 18.3 MILs come up.

I'm pretty sure others have put down this info before. Overall I'm going to have to still side with Lonewolf on this one. </div></div>

Thank you. I am trying to point out something certain people who seem to seriously lack common sense on. THREE shots THREE hits one disabled a machine gun and the other 2 scored kills. With the mathematical data you showed with nearly 6 seconds of flight time... My God it's not hard to add 2+2. Some genius might try and find a way to make it = 5 but in fact it will always = 4 lol.

One shot you can almost believe... Maybe! But 3 shots did not happen no way no how end of story.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The odds of winning the lottery are infinitesimal for one person, yet millions of people play many times and somebody eventually wins.

How many people even try these super-duper-long range shots? Not many, not often. That's why scoring three out of three "impossible" shots in a row <span style="color: #FF0000">(the third one "mega-impossible")</span>, specially in the conditions related by the article, raises many an eyebrow... not absolutely impossible, but extremely unlikely.

I is not my intention to not call BS or anything, but we can discuss it here and everybody decides for himself what to believe

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People are still missing the <span style="font-size: 26pt">BIG</span> point here.

<span style="color: #FF0000">This gentlemen just won the megamillion 3 times in a row.</span>

 

[dave1894]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lonewolf, I think if you are so sure this gentelmen is full of shit you should go see him in person and tell him so.I hope for your sake he has a sence of humor or really is full of shit or else yoy will have a hell of a time getting out of range!!!I'm sorry but when you start using lines from movies to make a point you cheapen your theroy.Lets just put this in perspective. They were making 1000 yard hits with blackpowder 45-70 type weapons 100 years ago using iron sights. Service rifles (5.56) compete at 600m with iron sights.But a trained sniper with state of the art equiptment can't make 3 hits because you don't belive it.Maybe GOD was mad at the camel jockeys that day. <span style="color: #CC0000">But you probally don't belive in GOD because nobody can prove he is real with a ballistic chart</span>.You are beating this to death!!! Perhaps if you take the time you have put into trying to discreadit a brother warrior and go to the range and practice you may devolope you own shills to the level that people will call bs on your shooting skills.
Scot </div></div>

Why do you want to start insulting people like this and go completely against forum rules and policy? FYI I will not talk about weather I do or do not because it is against the rules. I have even lost that right as a soldier in the military so I have to be professional on and off the net even if I don't like it.

Thanks for the slap in the face "brother",
Lw

 

[esromvre]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..

Was there a bucket involved?

.. </div></div>LOLOLOLOLOL GOOD POST

 

[NachtKracht]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Against better knowledge...Sanddude, it is not an issue if I or my colleagues can make that shot.
It actually is not an issue if that Brit sniper can make that shot.

The biggest issue is the set-up which is used in this story, the rifle in combination with the used scope, reticle, base and used ammo is what makes these 3 out of 3 shots non-plausible.

You can show all the wishful environmental conditions you want, make all the ballistic calculations you want, but if you keep making them without using the facts of the rifle which was used to make these super shots, everything you try to address, to make these shots possible, are in vain.

Facts of the set-up;
Barrel length 27 inch
Twist 1-11
Base 45 moa cant
Scope 5-25x56 with 95 moa of elevation
Reticle p3 mildot (increase the magnification, increase the reticle size)
Bullet 250 grain or 252 grain (both versions seen service in the UK)
Average muzzle velocity 915 meter per second

Facts of the story as they are being portrait and believed by you (“it could be possible”);
Range 2475m
No sighters
3 hits out of 3 shots
2 man sized targets
1 machine gun sized target on the ground
Shot from the bipod resting on a wall (the story implies that he must have been either sitting or kneeling, which makes the BS alarm go off real louder, but even if he had been prone on the wall, would not make that big of a difference)

Even with the difference in altitude (and inherently the air density) will not increase the max effective range of the used 338lm cartridge from 1400m to 2475m…

Will it be possible with a better suited rifle and ammo?

A really good shooter with a M200 cheytac with the 419 grain solid, a McMillan .50 with a 750 grain amax or even a custom f-class or Benchrest rifle in 375cheytac with a 30-34 inch barrel, shooting from a Farley rest with an high end scope and more than enough elevation holding dead on, will still have trouble to do what this story suggests. But maybe, with a whole lot of luck, and under ideal conditions, he or she might be able to hit a man sized target at that distance without sighters, even 3 out of 3. (the machinegun hit will still be BS)

Personally I would still have my doubts, but than again, I am a sceptical fella, that’s true.

But no way no how that anybody makes those shots, under the mentioned conditions with the used AWSM set-up.

Do not understand me wrong, I have said it before and will say it again, I have the utmost respect for the British soldiers, and especially for their snipers. I have trained an shot along side them, and they know how to fire a rifle. But even they will recognize the smell of poo from a male cow when a story like this surfaces.

NK.

 

[Lindy]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

I'm responding to one of my own comments here, so that no one will think I'm directing it specifically to them - but this thread is a perfect example of the principle that many posts on the Internet are written not to inform the reader, but rather to show how much the poster knows.

Nothing <span style="font-style: italic">wrong</span> with that, annd bandwidth is cheap, but...

 

[caustic]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

The story is most likely incorrect , since when does the media get anything right? I would like to hear the real story directly from the shooters or spotters mouth at least via tv or utube but I imagine that this won't happen for a while, SO Whatever.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nachtkracht</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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Facts of the story as they are being portrait and believed by you (“it could be possible”);
Range 2475m
No sighters
3 hits out of 3 shots
2 man sized targets
1 machine gun sized target on the ground
Shot from the bipod resting on a wall (the story implies that he must have been either sitting or kneeling, which makes the BS alarm go off real louder, but even if he had been prone on the wall, would not make that big of a difference)...</div></div>

This is where you may be missing what I am saying. I don't think the WHOLE story is being told here either. I'm fully aware it's next to impossible to hit 3/3 at that range. That's why I don't think we're getting the whole story. I know for damn sure he didn't call the machine gun shot and make it. And it's still better than 50% luck him hitting two in a row.

But that doesn't make some of it not true. It takes credibility away from it if it is true. If it's true.

I know it's a loooong stretch that this is true. But think about what Furlong did. He actually hit the guys backpack on the second shot. Then nailed him with the third. All the time holding above and leading. So trying to keep the crosshairs aligned over and out in front of your target isn't so easy. but, it got done. Some days you just get luckier than others.

And, quite possibly we didn't hear about this story until he was out of theater. Something like this gets out and you become a huge security risk to yourself, and others around you.

 

[Brown Dog]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing <span style="font-style: italic">wrong</span> with that, annd bandwidth is cheap, but...

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Lindy,

I've been sitting on my hands through this one. But I have to say that I think the way the issue is being debated here actually relates to individual bandwidth

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Empty vessels ...etc


All,

Could someone remind me what Mike 504 posted at 19:17hrs 08 May, 2010?

 

[benchduck]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

What would the standard deviation between fired rounds have to be????Has anybody had ANY rifle ammo combination that could in theory make this shot on the standard deviation argument alone.Not counting the environmental concerns that would make this shot B.S.what would the sd need to be.Could one of you nonbelievers do the math and post it.I would like to make NachtKracht feel a little better about him being right.On page 3 of this little fight i posted a link with a 4x8 target at 2660yds viewed through a mark4 spotting scope on 40x now can you imagine that at 8x holding off the main cross and hitting 3 for 3 the last shot on a machine gun...but iam a dumb ass and so i guess iam wrong..


3 for 3 is B.S.

 

[Fredo]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Where is the PSYOPS theroy, or did I miss it?

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Lonewolf,I was making a point not trying to insult you. You are using some very aggresive terms to make your point.I was doing the same. I will agian state that I neither belive or disbelive the account of what was said .I would love to hear firsthand from the shooter. I do belive you are being VERY disrespectful to the shooter by the way you are acting .Which was my point. If I have broken any rule it is my own. By letting myself be drawen in to a debate that can NEVER truly be resolved.Even if the shooter and his sighter swore and oath to the shots with 1000 sighed statements. SOMBODY would cry foul and awave of neigh sayers would back him up. I saw a video on this site of a man with a new weapon hit a golfball at 850 or so they claim. I was not there and videos can be altered. I choose to belive the gentlemen making that shot was telling the truth.Some may not.I have seen LOWLIGHT make some awesome shots on video have no reason to doubt any of the ranges he claims they were shot at why would I.You claim my statements were a "slap in the face" could it be you feel you are the only one that can dish it out but you never have to take it?Ever hear the story about the guy in the glass house?
Scot

 

[dusty1025]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Doubtful, but if it is true Better a Brit than a Canuck i say. JK Go Pens!

 

[2manygunz]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Debate is getting good. Popping more corn...

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brown Dog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing <span style="font-style: italic">wrong</span> with that, annd bandwidth is cheap, but...

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Lindy,

I've been sitting on my hands through this one. But I have to say that I think the way the issue is being debated here actually relates to individual bandwidth

.

Empty vessels ...etc


All,

Could someone remind me what Mike 504 posted at 19:17hrs 08 May, 2010?
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Damn! I hate it when that happens. One minute I'm talkin' some smack and making it sound good...the next, I'm just a waste of bandwidth.

<span style="color: #3333FF">Edit:<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike504</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All,

I'm in southern Afghanistan; I saw a post about this incident on another forum and asked my S-2 NCO to see what he could find out on it. He was able to pull up the patrol report for the incident in question from a database.

The location is correct, the shooter is correct, the weapon is correct, the basic outline of the story is correct. The report says absolutely nothing about making the 2 kills with only two shots, or about disabling the machine gun. The 2 kills are verified, as well as the location of the shooter and the location of the kills. There is quite likely a lot of exaggeration in the media stories( the report doesn't say how many rounds the sniper fired, he may have fired half his basic load for all we know at this point), but that the sniper made 2 kills at that range appears to be fact.

Mike</div></div>

Just helpin' you out ...no need to go look it up again or nuthin'

</span>

 

[Shibumi]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Got the opportunity to ask an excellent source about this for the validity of this claim. The facts were matter of fact and explained a lot for the situation.

1. The Taliban routinely shot from a certain location, and liked to come back to it repeatedly.
2. The sniper was shooting a .338, not a .50, and had it zeroed at 500. They zeroed at 500 because all engagements were very long range.
3. Sniper knew the range to target location, prior to being engaged.
4. Conditions were perfect shooting weather.
5. Sniper was shooting off a compound wall for support.
6. Sniper was using holdovers on his scope, and after first round hit, he reengaged two more times and hit successfully.

This is what I got out of it.

1-Sniper knew his enemies patterns.
2-Sniper knew his dope, and his holdovers.
3-Conditions can make or break a shot.
4-Sniper followed through, and was consistent on following shots.

I don't shoot a .338, and cannot make a Ballistics program dance, but the source is good, and it makes sense to me.

 

[Brown Dog]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just helpin' you out ...no need to go look it up again or nuthin'

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SW, Thanks. I knew where it was, I was attempting (and clearly failing)a spot of irony!

Mike504 provided as good a groundtruth answer as is going to be got on this issue; and yet this peculiar debate of the un-informed raged on

 

[groper]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shibumi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got the opportunity to ask an excellent source about this for the validity of this claim. The facts were matter of fact and explained a lot for the situation.

1. The Taliban routinely shot from a certain location, and liked to come back to it repeatedly.
2. The sniper was shooting a .338, not a .50, and had it zeroed at 500. They zeroed at 500 because all engagements were very long range.
3. Sniper knew the range to target location, prior to being engaged.
4. Conditions were perfect shooting weather.
5. Sniper was shooting off a compound wall for support.
6. Sniper was using holdovers on his scope, and after first round hit, he reengaged two more times and hit successfully.

This is what I got out of it.

1-Sniper knew his enemies patterns.
2-Sniper knew his dope, and his holdovers.
3-Conditions can make or break a shot.
4-Sniper followed through, and was consistent on following shots.

I don't shoot a .338, and cannot make a Ballistics program dance, but the source is good, and it makes sense to me. </div></div>

yeah this is all well and good... and frankly no surprise the shooter had a few more things in his favour either... but if you have any idea how reliable a 250gr .338 projectile point of imapct is @ 2700+yds, even in no wind conditions, you would realise 3 from 3 is impossible to believe. Other people have tried shooting this distance simply to see for themselves how difficult it is, noone has managed to hit somthing thise size of a bus at this distance 3 from 3 let alone a man size target. In fact, noone has managed to hit a man size target more than once in about 30 shots... except for this story that is... go figure...

 

[groper]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

pulled this from another site;

IMPORTANT UPDATE: In a subsequent BBC Interview, Harrison reported it took about NINE shots for he and his spotter to initially range the target successfully. Then, he reported, his first shot “on target” was a killing shot. That makes the story more plausible.

more plausible yes, still 3 from 3 is still hard to believe.

Whilst it may not be legal or allowed, im sure its possible but perhaps he was using CNC lathe turned solids with a much higher BC? i know if i was heading off to get shot at i would take the best gear i could get my hands on, legal or not. For example if they shot well in my rifle i would be taking some GS custom 295gr SP, BC = 1.01. I sure as hell wouldnt care what the rules were... and perhaps my CO wouldnt care either...

Using these bullets, and favourbale atmospheric conditions @ 3500ft JBM tells me that these bullets would still be just supersonic at 2700yds. Perhaps he had a good amount of slope angle to shoot up/down aswell, helps even more. Furthermore, using a 45MOA base, he would only need to dial about 45MOA with a 500yd zero. Now its much more plausible... but still fkn difficult, perhaps this is where the luck comes in....

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brown Dog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just helpin' you out ...no need to go look it up again or nuthin'

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SW, Thanks. I knew where it was, I was attempting (and clearly failing)a spot of irony!

Mike504 provided as good a groundtruth answer as is going to be got on this issue; and yet this peculiar debate of the un-informed raged on

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I know that you knew...that's why you gave the date and time

And it was kind of a funny wake-up call that I've gotten way too mired in this argument.

Especially for a guy who hasn't shot anything that far or much .338

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

OK, I only read a couple pages of this argument.

You guys have already hashed out the math.

It is POSSIBLE, there are dead bodies on the ground AND the sniper came home.

Do I care if he was lucky? Nope. Do I care if he ganked a shot that may not have been reported? Nope.

All I care about is a Sniper pushed the envelope of his weapon system. Reduced the target and came home. He's got a hell of a war story to tell and he earned it well.

Should I ever meet the man I will be proud to buy him a pint.

There are some days we are just damn good. There are some days we are just lucky. Rarely those two come together and some amazing shit occurs. We need that to offset the days when we are not so good, not so lucky, and end up with flag draped coffins.

 

[desertHK]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, I only read a couple pages of this argument.

You guys have already hashed out the math.

It is POSSIBLE, there are dead bodies on the ground AND the sniper came home.

Do I care if he was lucky? Nope. Do I care if he ganked a shot that may not have been reported? Nope.

All I care about is a Sniper pushed the envelope of his weapon system. Reduced the target and came home. He's got a hell of a war story to tell and he earned it well.

Should I ever meet the man I will be proud to buy him a pint.

There are some days we are just damn good. There are some days we are just lucky. Rarely those two come together and some amazing shit occurs. We need that to offset the days when we are not so good, not so lucky, and end up with flag draped coffins. </div></div>

1+. Well said LoneWolfUSMC. It's my exact sentiment about the whole thing. All I care is that there are two dead insurgents.

 

[kombayotch]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

There is a little editing war going on on Wikipedia with the line about it taking 9 shots being added and removed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Harrison_%28sniper%29

Suspect some people don't like hearing reality...

 

[NachtKracht]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

(hope your got enough butter with your popcorn)

Does not matter how much respect we all have for any guy who shoots 1 or 2 bad guys while on the job. My hat goes off to anyone doing his bit, over there or over here.
And that includes this Brit, cause just for being there he already earns our respect.

But all the respect in the world still won't give bullets magical powers.

My personal take on this story; anyone who still thinks this could be possible, at that range with that calibre and rifle, has not spend much time on a long range trigger or has been watching one episode to many of Mack-"I tell 5 million times per season that I used to be a demspec/comspec/assaulter/ counterterrorist/ sniper, hack I actually been it all navyseal"-Machowicz.

No pun intended.

Problem with these kinds of Hollywood stories, is that hundreds of just as good or even better snipers and dedicated marksman who are doing the same job, each time get less and less or no credit at all for their real world shots, just because their shots are not as far or as fantastic as these BS propaganda shots.
"tsss...your shot was only at 300m??"...

I know this SF sniper, whose unit was about to recce a village but they heard on a talib frequency that they were expected. One talib told another talib to load his PKM and to give them hell if those infidels reached the edge of the village. The unit spotted the PKM shooter near a crossing.
At 1500m distance the SF commander asked the sniper if he could hit him from this range with the Barrett. The guy replied, yes, probably, but that under these conditions he could not guarantee a first shot hit.
If the first shot is not a hit, most of the talibs over there duck for cover and refuse to stand still, contrary to what some sniper stories tend to rap about...
He proposed to his commander a different idea. What if he was to take his colleague spotter and his AWSM 338 rifle, crawl close enough to guarantee the PKM shooter would be neutralized. So said so done. After walking, crouching and crawling for about 1200m's he sets up, and shoots the pkm guy centerchest. Nothing fancy smancy, no head shot, just centermass with about 6000 joules of energy. PKM guy no longer has a chest. His unit still got into a TIC afterwards, but at least they entered the village unscratched. Afterwards his CO tells about this feat to the RR commander. His response? “Hmmppffrr, the Canadians shoot talibs at 2800m’s all the time, even I can hit that target at 300m, I once shot a fallplate at 800m with a FAL….”

NK.

 

[Brown Dog]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NachtKracht</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know this SF sniper..... </div></div>

There was this one time at band camp....

 

[NachtKracht]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

hmm Brown Dog, you'r right, reading it back i know how it sounds... my bad.

NK out.

 

[dave1894]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Who gives a shit. This is not about a someone taking out two insurgents and comming home. This is about a new world record that is complete bs. Who gives a shit about the insurgents, who under certain reservations, have my respect. If you were ever a soldier you would know where I am comming from. If not dont even open your fu'n pie hole because it will piss me off.

If you are buying into this you problably see bigfoot as a possibility as well.

Proof of how it was no possible has been presented. If you don't understand it; stop arguing the fact like a 1st grader would.

Lw

 

[Biscuit]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Whoa, just realized there is more than one Lonewolf in this thread. I was really getting confused. I now suspect all those other Lonewolfs on the net may in fact be entirely different people.


Carry on

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Lonewolf,My piehole and others are open .I really don't give a fuck if you are pissed off or not.I guess the only debate you are capable is the masterbate. Stand down.You have your opinion and others don't share it. Get the fuck over it.No wonder you call yourself lonewolf who the hell would want to spend time with a narrow minded self absorbed fellow such as yourself.I can see you don't care about dead insurgents. Most cooks don't .I ask my fellow posters to please forgive me for loosing my cool but pushy people piss me off!!!
Scot

 

[hilbillee]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Amen DesertHK.

 

[JL]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Lonewolf,

Must say I find you rather aggressive attitude towards NachtKracht exceptionally silly -since he seems to agree with you! LOL!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NachtKracht</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But all the respect in the world still won't give bullets magical powers.

My personal take on this story; anyone who still thinks this could be possible, at that range with that calibre and rifle, has not spend much time on a long range trigger...Problem with these kinds of Hollywood stories...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lonewolf&#8207;</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you are buying into this you problably see bigfoot as a possibility as well.

Proof of how it was no possible has been presented. If you don't understand it; stop arguing the fact like a 1st grader would.
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[dave1894]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lonewolf,
Must say I find you rather aggressive attitude towards NachtKracht exceptionally silly -since he seems to agree with you! LOL!
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Huh? I think I missed something lol. I don't remember going against anything he said. I agree w/ about 95% of what he says.


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lonewolf,My piehole and others are open .I really don't give a fuck if you are pissed off or not.I guess the only debate you are capable is the masterbate. Stand down.You have your opinion and others don't share it. Get the fuck over it.No wonder you call yourself lonewolf who the hell would want to spend time with a narrow minded self absorbed fellow such as yourself.I can see you don't care about dead insurgents. Most cooks don't .I ask my fellow posters to please forgive me for loosing my cool but pushy people piss me off!!!
Scot </div></div>

Ewww Scott! Temper, temper! I like it! I will take a guess and say you are have some Irish or Scottish in your blood?

Anways; I must say; shame on you! As far as being a cook for the U.S Army, well; if I was, I would take my job just as serious as the one I do now. It just so happens though that I am a 11B. Not that I would feel insulted if I was a cook or anything else. With that being said, there <span style="text-decoration: underline">...just might be...</span> a cook in here who would not appreciate you saying that...

Do they render any less serving their country over here? Myself and others would say that they do not surrender any less. I have 1 cook currently assigned to us who is responsible for feeding my entire element breakfast, lunch and dinner 6 days a week only to have a break on Sunday where he makes brunch and dinner. He is a rifleman first and formost and a cook second especially where we are. If he was KIA with a spoon in his hand or a rifle it's all the same to me. He did his duty and did his service to his country and people; some of which he knows he is protecting deserve less than anything but a dungeon.

As far as not carring about dead insurgents, you need to read back on what I posted. Have you ever served in the military Scott? Let alone served in combat? If not than your ignorant opinion on the matter is valueless to me.
Some of the soldiers here with me add humor like <span style="font-style: italic">"dime a dozen"</span> or <span style="font-style: italic">"going hunt'n"</span> because it's a very necessary humor here. If you read back you will see that I posted that I have respect under certain reservations for them.

Oh and btw; stand at ease if it applies to you.

Take care,
Lw

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Lonewolf, you are right I was wrong to insult cooks by grouping you with them!I was refering to your lack of training and lack of self control both of which would place you in a place where your child like anticks would not endanger andybody else! I have served as well and have found that there are those who do so because it is what is right and those who do so for bragging rights . Those who brag the most seem to have done the least. As far as heritage goes you are correct about 10% of both. I am willing to bet you have some polish in you but only while in private. Don't ask don't tell.L.O.L.
Scot

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Lonewolf,

Suffice it to say you don't believe the story. Even though more information has come out that makes it more credible.

Yelling/arguing on the internet at people isn't going to change what the London Times printed or the British Army is backing up. <span style="color: #3366FF">Edit: As Carlo's Mencia says, "If you win an argument on the internet, You're still retarded." "Dee-ta DEEEEE"</span>

As I've said before, if you want to call bullshit, that's who you need to tell it to. None of us are going to change the story for you.

Also, as I stated, I've seen the math, judged conditions and think it's possible. So I don't doubt the story. Good on him.

Would I ever plan or approve a mission that hinged on those shots being made? Not a chance. Not that I doubt some people can shoot awesome. But it's a pretty damn low percentage of making the shot(s). It would seem to me that having prior experience in that same spot would tell me they did just that. That's their call. If I suspected the place they were going to set up a machine gun was going to be used again I think I would have covered it more closely. Or, had an assault/reaction team to work on taking them out. As a Sgt/E-5 in the 1st Ranger BN, almost thirty years ago, you were expected to think that way. Rarely, if ever, were you given the opportunity to do a full planned mission on your own. But, the point in that is you were given the tools and were taught the skills to accomplish a mission from that level. Being in S3 never hurt either.

I can understand you not believing. That's why I, and a few others here, present numbers to at least see if it is possible. Based on what I see, it is. But like you and others, I think it's pretty long odds that it could happen not just once but two more times. So, I'll digress to the people that wrote the story. And, let them tell us more, if they so choose.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Edit II: FWIW, I hold no respect for the taliban/al queda whatsoever. They represent typical vermin. They carry the fleas that cause disease. Except they do it for their own satisfaction. Not an act of nature. All I feel about them is simple termination.</span>

 

[dave1894]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess the only debate you are capable is the masterbate.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #CC0000">because it is what is right and those who do so for bragging rights. </span> </div></div>

Ok Iced-T LOL
Lw

 

[DaveV]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

I'm glad this thread finally got down to dick measuring and who served and who didn't. It took 5 pages, but at least we finally got there.

 

[Emouse]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

I hear u Dave,..I have measured my intelligence and it is 7 inches.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Damn!...came up short again. Well at least I'm happy.

 

[okiefired]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaveX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad this thread finally got down to dick measuring and who served and who didn't. It took 5 pages, but at least we finally got there. </div></div>

Ha ha ha!! Thats the best post on the entire thread. Its true Dave, it took a while for it to get there but it finally did, just like it always does. The next step will be "undisputable" pics of one ragged hole groups to prove ability.

okie

 

[dave1894]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaveX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad this thread finally got down to dick measuring and who served and who didn't. It took 5 pages, but at least we finally got there. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hear u Dave,..I have measured my intelligence and it is 7 inches.

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Now that is comical!

Lw

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Lonewolf, What the hell does what I drink in the summer time have to do with anything?And why would anybody want to measure another mans dick????I was talking about a snipers shots you guys lost me!!
Scot

 

[JL]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lonewolf&#8207;</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lonewolf,
Must say I find you rather aggressive attitude towards NachtKracht exceptionally silly -since he seems to agree with you! LOL!
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Huh? I think I missed something lol. I don't remember going against anything he said. I agree w/ about 95% of what he says.
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If you look your message, last one in page 4, it says in header:
<span style="font-weight: bold">Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record [Re: NachtKracht]</span>

So, You must have hitted "reply" button on NK:s mail.
No big deal, but thats why I thought so.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Suffice it to say you don't believe the story. Even though more information has come out that makes it more credible.

Yelling/arguing on the internet at people isn't going to change what the London Times printed or the British Army is backing up.[/color]

As I've said before, if you want to call bullshit, that's who you need to tell it to. None of us are going to change the story for you.
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More credible? Hmmm.

Firstly, I wouldn't count on newspapers <span style="font-style: italic">at all</span>.
For example, articles I have seen mentioned "almost 3 sec flight time".
Now, that is a plain bullshit, and there is no way around it. True 1,54 miles flight time would be around 6,4 seconds.
So- how can anyone tell for sure that rest of the "facts" are correct then?

Secondly,
In this thread, some guy apparently serving there at this very moment, claimed that he has seen/talked with guy who saw report of that incident.
If I recall correctly, he mentioned few pages ago that there wasn't mention about sniper hitting MG in that same report.


What I have said from "day one" is that I´m not buying that story.<span style="font-weight: bold">As it was told in newspapers</span>.
2 first round hits in moving targets with 6,4 sec flight time? With fairly unstable, improvised support under rifle?
And on top of that, third shot aimed on MG receiver- and hit at first? 1,54 miles? Yeah, sure.

Instead, what I´m guessing is that miles/kilometers got mixed up at some point.

If range would have been 1,54 kilometers instead of 1,54 miles, bullet flight time mentioned in newspaper would be correct- a tad under 3 seconds.
Also, 2 shots/2 torso size tgts at that range would be "only" excellent marksmanship with std 338 Lapua close to its limits instead of astronomically improbable 2 local raffles, and one national lottery wins <span style="font-style: italic">IN ROW, with first try</span>.

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lonewolf&#8207;</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lonewolf,
Must say I find you rather aggressive attitude towards NachtKracht exceptionally silly -since he seems to agree with you! LOL!
</div></div>

Huh? I think I missed something lol. I don't remember going against anything he said. I agree w/ about 95% of what he says.
</div></div>

If you look your message, last one in page 4, it says in header:
<span style="font-weight: bold">Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record [Re: NachtKracht]</span>

So, You must have hitted "reply" button on NK:s mail.
No big deal, but thats why I thought so.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Suffice it to say you don't believe the story. Even though more information has come out that makes it more credible.

Yelling/arguing on the internet at people isn't going to change what the London Times printed or the British Army is backing up.[/color]

As I've said before, if you want to call bullshit, that's who you need to tell it to. None of us are going to change the story for you.
</div></div>

More credible? Hmmm.

Firstly, I wouldn't count on newspapers <span style="font-style: italic">at all</span>.
For example, articles I have seen mentioned "almost 3 sec flight time".
Now, that is a plain bullshit, and there is no way around it. True 1,54 miles flight time would be around 6,4 seconds.
So- how can anyone tell for sure that rest of the "facts" are correct then?

Secondly,
In this thread, some guy apparently serving there at this very moment, claimed that he has seen/talked with guy who saw report of that incident.
If I recall correctly, he mentioned few pages ago that there wasn't mention about sniper hitting MG in that same report.


What I have said from "day one" is that I´m not buying that story.<span style="font-weight: bold">As it was told in newspapers</span>.
2 first round hits in moving targets with 6,4 sec flight time? With fairly unstable, improvised support under rifle?
And on top of that, third shot aimed on MG receiver- and hit at first? 1,54 miles? Yeah, sure.

Instead, what I´m guessing is that miles/kilometers got mixed up at some point.

If range would have been 1,54 kilometers instead of 1,54 miles, bullet flight time mentioned in newspaper would be correct- a tad under 3 seconds.
Also, 2 shots/2 torso size tgts at that range would be "only" excellent marksmanship with std 338 Lapua close to its limits instead of astronomically improbable 2 local raffles, and one national lottery wins <span style="font-style: italic">IN ROW, with first try</span>.

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Because this was a press release with the full knowledge of the British Army...

I'll take it you think the whole thing is bullshit too. So tell them. Not me.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hear u Dave,..I have measured my intelligence and it is 7 inches.

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...cause I ain't as smart as I thought I once was either.

....

 

[Shibumi]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Well said!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaveX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad this thread finally got down to dick measuring and who served and who didn't. It took 5 pages, but at least we finally got there. </div></div>

 

[Biscuit]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

I never served, not a sniper, not even that great of a shot, but I can measure dicks with the best of em. Hows this work, we post pics ? Length or girth? Ive been told Ive got good sectional density, but some are kind of put off by the whole "JHP" thing I got going, my parents were hippies.

 

[Shibumi]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

Negative.

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

Re: British sniper breaks Rob Furlong's record

I agree with the "don't tell" I damn sure did not need that info.
Scot